Trayvon Martin
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Let me guess...rich is probably a light skinned rightwinger?...duh!...lol!...
Well...Right-wingers do observe the "one drop" rule...
What is the...one drop...rule?
"The one-drop rule is a historical colloquial term in the United States for the social classification as black of individuals with any African ancestry; meaning any person with "one drop of black blood" was considered black. The principle was an example of hypodescent, the automatic assignment of children of a mixed union between different socioeconomic or ethnic groups to the group with the lower status.[1] The one-drop rule was not adopted as law until the 20th century: first in Tennessee in 1910 and in Virginia under the Racial Integrity Act of 1924 (following the passage of similar laws in numerous other states). Despite the strictures of slavery, in the antebellum years, free people of mixed race could have up to one-eighth or one-quarter African ancestry (depending on the state) and be considered legally white.[2] More were absorbed into the majority culture based simply on appearance, associations and carrying out community responsibilities. These and community acceptance were more important factors if a person's racial status were questioned, not his or her documented ancestry. The social mobility of antebellum society meant that many people did not have documentation about their ancestors. The four surviving "natural" children born to Thomas Jefferson's mixed-race slave Sally Hemings, whom Jefferson allegedly fathered, were seven-eighths European in ancestry and thus legally white although they were born into slavery.[citation needed] Three of the four entered white society as adults, two married white persons, and all their descendants identified as white. Many of later generations of his mixed-race descendants also entered white society, according to their appearance.[citation needed] In the United States, European Americans usually classified people of partial Native American descent as Native American, in a similar example of hypodescent. In the early years of these types of unions and marriages, the fathers were usually European and the mothers Native American. Many Native American tribes had matrilineal descent systems, so within those communities, the children were considered by tradition to belong to the mother's clan. It was tradition for the mother's eldest brother to play a major role in the life of all her children, more important than that of the father within the tribe, as the uncle looked out for the children within his clan, the father belonging to a different clan. Among such tribes, mixed-race children could be absorbed into the culture, as had been the case traditionally with captives of any race who were adopted. Among other tribes, such as the Omaha, which was patrilineal, the full-bloods considered a half-breed a "white man" if he had a white father, which was their application of hypodescent. Half-breeds could belong officially to the Omaha tribe only if they were adopted into it.[3] In the United States, the concept of the one-drop rule has been chiefly applied by European Americans to those of sub-Saharan black African ancestry in the aftermath of slavery, as they were trying to impose white supremacy."
Well then, I guess that makes me 'black' since my grandfather is a dark skinned Puerto Rican ...1) you have no clue to what you're talking about and 2) support this group (or even just wanting to turn a blind eye to them) is racist in it's own right. Audi, even within truly insensitive or intolerant groups, you being African American puts you higher on their pecking order than where my family (especially my father's side) sits...take your race baiting baloney and shove it deeply up your crevice
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I was just gettin' yer goat.
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Zimmerman's arrest is the first step towards justice. Hopefully his arrest will settle some of the unrest. It won't quiet it, but will be a step.
Black Panthers just warned that they are going down to Sanford to 'keep things straight' and ensure 'justice' is done their way - I hope the United States Army is waiting for them...LOL
The Black Panthers are a mere footnote to this matter. Stop polarizing the issue more than it already is.
I was going to say that for someone who was talking about how this case shouldn't be a race issue, rich, you certainly seem to be trying to make it one...
Because it is a race issue - I said it 'shouldn't' be, not 'it isn't'...there's a difference...and because of it, Zimmerman has already been tried and procecuted in the court of public opinion...I personally hope if found guilty, they lock him up and throw away the key (I have no dog in the fight other than it disappoints me to see this injustice - I don't find the delayed arrest to be 'disappointing' so much because I admittedly don't understand that 'stand your ground' law enough to know whether one was actually warranted - although I think FL should seriously take another look at it)...But it sucks that right now there are two sides to the story and people are chosing to side with one over the other 'just because' (or are there other motives involved aside 'justice')...My lone plea with all this is just 'let the trial happen'...the poor mother of Trayvon certainly didn't want all this
I understand what you have stated here, rich, but again, if race "shouldn't be" a factor, why bring up the Black Panthers? You can't have it both ways.
Because in your initial comment you stated you were hoping the arrest would settle some of the unrest. I would generally agree with that...that is until I read the Black Panthers are travelling down to enforce their own 'justice'...it is of my opinion that the Black Panthers will undo some (maybe most???) of the 'good' the arrest had accomplished...thus my bringing it up. I'm not getting why you're down playing their role. If someone turns them away (or if Ed Holder suddenly has an epiphany and realizes he should thwart the race card from all angles of this case instead of just from Zimmerman's perspective), then your wish would probably be granted...but if allowed to carry out their threat, the Black Panthers will get in the way of that...it's my opinion and I'm sorry if you don't buy into that...it's not a black or white thing because I don't know anyone of any ethnic group (including African Americans) who agree with these slugs...it's more like getting thrown back into the 50's/60's except in reverse
Again, though, if you don't want the "race card" to play a factor, why announce that the Black Panthers are going to be gathering in Florida? If you wanted to downplay the role of race in this issue, you wouldn't be announcing the plans of the Black Panthers here, or anywhere else.
Wow Let's just overlook that then
rich, you can't complain about how the media is blowing the race issue out of proportion on one hand, and then make obviously disparaging remarks about the Black Panthers arriving on the scene on the other hand. That's my point. If you don't think it should be a race issue, don't continue to make announcements about how it is one. Does that make sense? I'm not saying everyone needs to bury their heads in the sand, just don't make public proclamations if you don't want the public treating this incident as a racial issue.
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I see nothing wrong with Rich "reporting" that the Black Panthers were going there. Yes, I know he said this shouldn't be a race issue...but complaining about reports like that make it even worse & make it more of an issue. If a white supremist group were going to stir up the pot, that should also be reported.
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I see nothing wrong with Rich "reporting" that the Black Panthers were going there. Yes, I know he said this shouldn't be a race issue...but complaining about reports like that make it even worse & make it more of an issue. If a white supremist group were going to stir up the pot, that should also be reported.
There were members of the white supremist group down there as well and it was equally as disgusting. I don't mention them any more because they haven't been in the news in several days http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-07/news/31306033_1_race-riots-racial-violence-usa-poll
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I see nothing wrong with Rich "reporting" that the Black Panthers were going there. Yes, I know he said this shouldn't be a race issue...but complaining about reports like that make it even worse & make it more of an issue. If a white supremist group were going to stir up the pot, that should also be reported.
There were members of the white supremist group down there as well and it was equally as disgusting. I don't mention them any more because they haven't been in the news in several days http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-04-07/news/31306033_1_race-riots-racial-violence-usa-poll
It's always going to be an opinion, of course. I was just commenting that I was surprised that someone so intent on not wanting this to be a race issue reported on the Black Panthers, Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse James, and yet chose to leave out the white supremacist groups there...If this shouldn't be a race issue, don't make it one.
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It wouldn't have been much of a race issue at all if that fat idiot had been brought to justice swiftly.
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An artist in Denver has turned an infamous 2005 mug shot of George Zimmerman into a piece of pop art. Andy Bell, 31, used 12,250 Skittles to create a 3-by-4-foot portrait of Zimmerman, who was charged with second-degree murder on Wednesday in the shooting death of Trayvon Martin. Artist makes George Zimmerman mug shot out of Skittles http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/artist-makes-george-zimmerman-mug-shot-skittles-053902895.html
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Good to see this topic take off.
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For all those who didn't like the fact that I pointed out the race baiting taking place during the fallout from this case, here's something to chew on: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-man-allegedly-beaten-mob-claiming-justice-trayvon-article-1.1066893
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For all those who didn't like the fact that I pointed out the race baiting taking place during the fallout from this case, here's something to chew on: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-man-allegedly-beaten-mob-claiming-justice-trayvon-article-1.1066893
Rich, you are officially part of the problem -- not the solution. And, worry not: I'll be sure to admonish anyone who supports the horrific act upon the gentleman in that article at the next Black People's Secret Meeting.
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For all those who didn't like the fact that I pointed out the race baiting taking place during the fallout from this case, here's something to chew on: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-man-allegedly-beaten-mob-claiming-justice-trayvon-article-1.1066893
Rich, you are officially part of the problem -- not the solution. And, worry not: I'll be sure to admonish anyone who supports the horrific act upon the gentleman in that article at the next Black People's Secret Meeting.
Judging by your response, I'd say everything you said is more so a reflection of you. Why is race baiting...let's say...'highly frowned upon' when it's white people racially demeaning black people, but it's ok when it's the other way around?
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For all those who didn't like the fact that I pointed out the race baiting taking place during the fallout from this case, here's something to chew on: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-man-allegedly-beaten-mob-claiming-justice-trayvon-article-1.1066893
Rich, you are officially part of the problem -- not the solution. And, worry not: I'll be sure to admonish anyone who supports the horrific act upon the gentleman in that article at the next Black People's Secret Meeting.
Judging by your response, I'd say everything you said is more so a reflection of you. Why is race baiting...let's say...'highly frowned upon' when it's white people racially demeaning black people, but it's ok when it's the other way around?
This is what I'm talking about. Your posts reek of right-wing talk-radio soundbites and tits-for-tats. ANY racism or act of violence is a bad thing, OK? The outage from liberals, blacks, etc. is rooted in the institutional cover-up of violence/injustice against us that routinely goes un-checked by the authorities. My God, look what it took just to get an arrest! Isn't that worth being outraged about? And, yet, you focus on a wholly irrelevant hate-group like the friggin' Black Panthers. Screw them, OK? They are criminals, OK? But when the perpetrator is a cop -- or a buddy of the cops -- it is almost an Act of Congress just to get an arrest. THIS is why we're pissed. And it happens over and over and over. (in the music-related threads, the "Paul McCartney side" of my personality dominates. In these threads, I get in touch with my "inner john Lennon" and speak the ugly truth)
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George Zimmerman Accused of Molesting Girl for Years: http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zimmermans-accused-molesting-girl-children/story?id=16786905
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For all those who didn't like the fact that I pointed out the race baiting taking place during the fallout from this case, here's something to chew on: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/alabama-man-allegedly-beaten-mob-claiming-justice-trayvon-article-1.1066893
Rich, you are officially part of the problem -- not the solution. And, worry not: I'll be sure to admonish anyone who supports the horrific act upon the gentleman in that article at the next Black People's Secret Meeting.
Judging by your response, I'd say everything you said is more so a reflection of you. Why is race baiting...let's say...'highly frowned upon' when it's white people racially demeaning black people, but it's ok when it's the other way around?
This is what I'm talking about. Your posts reek of right-wing talk-radio soundbites and tits-for-tats. ANY racism or act of violence is a bad thing, OK? The outage from liberals, blacks, etc. is rooted in the institutional cover-up of violence/injustice against us that routinely goes un-checked by the authorities. My God, look what it took just to get an arrest! Isn't that worth being outraged about? And, yet, you focus on a wholly irrelevant hate-group like the friggin' Black Panthers. Screw them, OK? They are criminals, OK? But when the perpetrator is a cop -- or a buddy of the cops -- it is almost an Act of Congress just to get an arrest. THIS is why we're pissed. And it happens over and over and over. (in the music-related threads, the "Paul McCartney side" of my personality dominates. In these threads, I get in touch with my "inner john Lennon" and speak the ugly truth)
Thanks, Audi!!!!
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a nice young man walks to the store through a neighborhood ...the neighborhood security guard follows him and calls the police ...the police tell the security guard to stop following the nice young man
And then the Black Panthers and other extremist came along and turned it into a racial thing against 'whites' when in fact, neither the shooter or victim were white. But with that said, this law is pretty 'loosey goosey' and was probably inviting such an incident to occur...of course the racial overtones of this case has overrode the fact that the story started life about a questionable law and how it may have very well cost a young kid his life
I couldn't tell you one thing about the Black Panthers beyond 1970. It's funny how "conservatives" are purporting that this group continues to be relevant in 2012.
I just learned that one of the most conservative groups is funding the current black panthers in Detroit from Jack Lessenberry's column. It really is the apolcalypse, isn't it?
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My oldest college friend has a 16-year-old, blond-haired, blue-eyed son who wears hoodies all the time. It has more meaning for us all right now. Don't judge a book by its cover.
I wear hooded cloaks all the time.
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This is the only place I've heard this, Audi.