MEAT EATERS-SHAME ON YOU
-
al Sabah:
audi:
What's your veggie-conversion success rate? Can't be that high, given your in-your-face, dogmatic, borderline abusive, communication style.
This is how I feel about Democrats and Republicans. I think it is much easier to get people to listen to your point of view with kindness. Someone who might be thinking about joining one side or another would probably be better convinced with diplomacy.
simplyrahil:
as for 'responded in a kind manner' you do as if my direct answers to you were something different to all that hey_kittay AND Sir Paul himself has said. you keep conveniently avoiding the questions posed to you and the statements that MATTER on this issue. what do you want? sweet, fooling words as if you are a baby that one has to appease to somehow trick you into feeling 'nice' about stop eating animals? you said horrible things in the statements about animals you made about them being 'meat'. i declared the facts - it is evil to kill and eat animals, 'humane' or not. KILLING is wrong. no 2 ways about it. Sir Paul totally is against this killing and you are not listening to him, who is surely sweeter in words than me, so what is your excuse? yes, every cent you spend to eat animals' flesh is paying for their murder and i will not state anything but the fact that that is so. you cannot come on a thread like this and say things as you did and not expect those who defend animals to not step up and defend them against your objectification of them as 'meat' while stating hypocritical things about 'loving them'. stop making me repeat myself. all that is necessary has been posted. stop paying for the killing of animals and stop eating them. once you eat animals, you are part of the wrongdoing and you need to accept that.
-
love2travel:
Yes a cup of kindness goes a long way...
I do agree with that but its' not always that easy. Vegetarian are often laughted at because of their choice, called wierd and .. yes ..extremist : I normally refuse to answer to criticism when i realize that on the other side the only intention is to mock. But it takes a bit of self control
-
preach that 'cup of kindness' to the animal-eaters that 'cup of kindness' should be a cup of tea or soymilk and not a cup of blood and flesh.
-
I like meat and will never give it up. If vegetarians cant handle the fact that people like meat and it is not wrong then they need to get a life and get off their soapboxes! I am so pissed off with subjects like this one, I AM A MEET EATER AND I AM NOT ASHAMED!
-
al Sabah:
audi:
What's your veggie-conversion success rate? Can't be that high, given your in-your-face, dogmatic, borderline abusive, communication style.
This is how I feel about Democrats and Republicans. I think it is much easier to get people to listen to your point of view with kindness. Someone who might be thinking about joining one side or another would probably be better convinced with diplomacy.
I agree with you al Sabah. Blaming and name calling won't help to make others listen to your point of view (at least not me). Nor will stating you are right and the other is wrong help to make others listen to your point of view (again: not me). We are all human beings with our own history, our own convictions and our own needs and the first thing we should do is accept and respect each other. And then we have a basis to communicate about the things we don't agree about. That's what unconditional love is about. "I refuse to accept the view that mankind is so tragically bound to the starless midnight of racism and war that the bright daybreak of peace and brotherhood can never become a reality.... I believe that unarmed truth and unconditional love will have the final word." Martin Luther King, Jr. And racism may have a different meaning here, but the outcome is still the same.
-
Boggle:
I like meat and will never give it up. If vegetarians cant handle the fact that people like meat and it is not wrong then they need to get a life and get off their soapboxes! I am so pissed off with subjects like this one, I AM A MEET EATER AND I AM NOT ASHAMED!
i guess you'll tell SIR PAUL himself that if he was face to face with you eh? he is after all a vegetarian who always reminds us all that it is wrong to kill and eat animals, in worldwide-seen videos, songs and statements. so you'd also tell SIR PAUL he 'needs to get a life and get off his soapbox'?
-
me2:
Blaming
humans who kill and pay to kill animals and who eat those animals are to blame for this continuing. there is no 2 ways about this. it is a fact. continue paying for it and it will continue to happen.
me2:
and name calling won't help to make others listen to your point of view (at least not me).
again, the only name-calling i saw on this thread was from mjbeatle towards me. i don't know who else has called anyone any names. show references if you want to keep stating this, otherwise you're spamming the thread. as for 'listen to your point' you all still do not state that even if what i state is so 'unpalatably put' then why are you ignoring those words and appeals of SIR PAUL himself? you all never answered that (those who still eat animals, that is). what's your excuse there?
me2:
Nor will stating you are right and the other is wrong help to make others listen to your point of view (again: not me).
whatever was stated regarding killing animals being evil and wrong was surely listened to. those people who are consciously opposing this fact did not 'not listen'. they listened and stated their state of mind based on their continue disdain for these facts. it is not that they did not listen. they just kept expressing their addiction for this bloodshed consumption.
me2:
We are all human beings with our own history, our own convictions and our own needs and the first thing we should do is accept and respect each other.
murder is not something worthy of respect. i don't know what you are going on about. killing animals will never be something respectable.
me2:
That's what unconditional love is about.
preach and apply that 'unconditional love' to those who keep ignoring the facts about the animals deserving to not be killed and eaten.
me2:
And racism may have a different meaning here, but the outcome is still the same.
ever heard of SPECIESISM? if not, look it up. this is a much more relevant term for the issue being discussed.
-
simplyrahil it seems to me you are indeed Shouting At The World. You don't even know whether I eat meat or not. What I said applies to both vegetarians and meat eaters. And my message was meant for both. It applies to all human beings. And Paul is as much entitled to his opinion as others are entitled to theirs. Being a fan doesn't imply one has to agree with everything he does. I don't agree with everything he does and I am not referring to the vegetarian part. The things I don't agree with would be another topic. But my opinion isn't very interesting for most, so I will spare you that.
-
me2:
simplyrahil it seems to me you are indeed Shouting At The World. You don't even know whether I eat meat or not.
sure, you don't make it evident, and a couple other veggie-leaning people who posted also do not make it evident on THIS THREAD, but if the side chosen is against murder of animals, then i'd expect that those who do not eat animals to make it clear in their stance on here, and not be cowardly in 'babying' those who are killing and paying for the killing of innocent animals to be eaten. that makes it seem to them as if it is quite alright to continue doing so when it is not. it is like German citizens during WWII who may not personally support the Holocaust, yet keep quiet about it or do nothing vocally or actively against it. the animals are going through a holocaust, so choose your side and stick to it. otherwise, the murderers are being victorious with every 'neutrality' even if that comes from a 'veggie' who stays quiet and does not openly make it clear that is is WRONG to kill animals. https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/580842_468138389897757_691209689_n.jpg (artist - Jo Frederiks)
me2:
What I said applies to both vegetarians and meat eaters. And my message was meant for both. It applies to all human beings.
so was mine.
me2:
And Paul is as much entitled to his opinion as others are entitled to theirs.
but what he states is just as well backed-up as what i am saying and as others defending the animals on this thread have stated. the response i made about Sir Paul was not with THAT angle. it was in response to you all speaking about 'kind manner', to which i made Sir Paul a reference regarding 'kind manner' with the SAME MESSAGE. so don't miss the point. the point was that if you all want to do as if 'the reason we won't listen is because you are too 'unsweet, unkind' with your manner of giving the message, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE WAY SIR PAUL does it? he is giving the SAME MESSAGE but surely in a KINDER WAY. so why then isn't THAT being listened to? (since the excuse about 'kind manner' is seen about when it comes to 'manner of message')
-
So now I am veggie leaning? simplyrahil: perhaps I just don't want to be associated with people like you. But it isn't important as I don't care what you think of me. You can make any comparison you want. As: What you say about others tells you more about you than about the other person. For each their own is my opinion. We are all in our own state of spiritual awareness and you can't force anyone to go faster than they can.
-
you (not just you) keep evading the more important issue. also, you (not just you) keep evading the Sir Paul reference reason and keep failing to address it. 'spiritual awareness'? there are even atheists who see this murder of animals and know it is wrong and stop being part of it. stop making excuses for these animal-eaters and animal-murderers.
-
Do you really think atheists can't be spiritual?
-
stop evading the actual important points made and attempting to carry this off on a tangent your every move on here shows evasion of the real issue stick to topic killing and eating animals is wrong and a shame and paying for it perpetuates it and those paying for it are equally responsible for it as those doing the killing AND what SIR PAUL states is just as well backed-up as what i am saying and as others defending the animals on this thread have stated. the response i made about Sir Paul was not with THAT angle. it was in response to you all speaking about 'kind manner', to which i made Sir Paul a reference regarding 'kind manner' with the SAME MESSAGE. so don't miss the point. the point was that if you all want to do as if 'the reason we won't listen is because you are too 'unsweet, unkind' with your manner of giving the message, THEN WHAT ABOUT THE WAY SIR PAUL does it? he is giving the SAME MESSAGE but surely in a KINDER WAY. ===>so why then isn't THAT being listened to? (since the excuse about 'kind manner' is seen about when it comes to 'manner of message')
-
I don't need you to tell me what to do. And I don't need Paul to tell me what to do. I try to follow my heart as good as I can. And of course I make mistakes. But, as I have learned to love myself (and others) unconditionally, I have learned to forgive. You are only stating your opinion and it seems like you can't accept anyone to disagree with you. Well, people will disagree with you, whether you like it or not. You will have to learn to accept that before you will be able to make others listen to your point of view and perhaps persuade them to your point of view.
-
me2:
You are only stating your opinion and it seems like you can't accept anyone to disagree with you.
what part of this is OPINION? it is a fact, a basic law of economics - supply and demand keep demanding, paying, and the supply will continue continue to pay for the killing of animals and it will continue where in that is OPINION? i explained in detail already. $$$ makes the murder continue. keep funding the murder and it will continue. purchasing and consuming this murder keeps the murder funded and stable to continue happening. so people who pay for this murder to happen (all who eat animals' flesh) ARE to blame for it happening and continuing. SUPPLY AND DEMAND. basic law of business. paying for the animals to be murdered incriminates one in all of this. if you actually read the origins of my posts on THIS THREAD you'd see what it was in response to
simplyrahil:
MJBeatle:
Please don't blame people who eat meat for this. Blame those who abuse and torture animals.
those funding it, perpetuate it and so are equally 'to blame' for it. you (all who buy and eat such) purchase and consume it, so you pay for the continued abuse and murder of these innocent animals. supply and demand.
MJBeatle:
I eat meat myself, does that make me a bad person?
funding evil is something that one can stop doing. abusing and killing animals is evil. funding it incriminates one who pays for this to be done. but one can stop being part of this right now.
me2:
Well, people will disagree with you, whether you like it or not. You will have to learn to accept that before you will be able to make others listen to your point of view and perhaps persuade them to your point of view.
THAT was also SEEN ABOUT it is not my fault if you don't READ a thread before posting.
simplyrahil:
yes, we all can accept/know that 'you can bring a horse to the water but you can't make him drink.' but that is not the issue on this thread or in my responses to mjbeatle. and sure, we know that most people are born into 'meat-eating' families, just as myself and most of the people who stopped doing this wrong thing. but that didn't stop us from changing. killing animals is wrong and is not in line with statements like 'i love all animals' etc. which mjbeatle was posting. my responses to mjbeatle were/are on the issue itself of the animals' right to live without being abused/murdered/sold to be eaten, and in response to whatever she was posting which required argument to be set straight. so let's not get so easily sidetracked. thank you.
-
Boggle:
I like meat and will never give it up. If vegetarians cant handle the fact that people like meat and it is not wrong then they need to get a life and get off their soapboxes! I am so pissed off with subjects like this one, I AM A MEET EATER AND I AM NOT ASHAMED!
Correction: you said: I like kill animals, I don't care if they cry and have a life with me, I am a killer... And I enjoy that blood in my hands... But in my profile I have a macca pic... But I don't care hat he think about animals" That is what you really said boggle...
-
me2:
I don't need you to tell me what to do. And I don't need Paul to tell me what to do. I try to follow my heart as good as I can. And of course I make mistakes. But, as I have learned to love myself (and others) unconditionally, I have learned to forgive. You are only stating your opinion and it seems like you can't accept anyone to disagree with you. Well, people will disagree with you, whether you like it or not. You will have to learn to accept that before you will be able to make others listen to your point of view and perhaps persuade them to your point of view.
Follow you heart??? What do you have there??? Wait wait.... Do you have a heart??? Do you know that the animals that you kill have a family, have a heart too, also have pain like you??? What do you have in your heart??? If you heart said to you: go and kill that innocent animals not matter what!!! If is so... Please stop to follow your heart... Is horrible
-
Boggle:
I like meat and will never give it up. If vegetarians cant handle the fact that people like meat and it is not wrong then they need to get a life and get off their soapboxes! I am so pissed off with subjects like this one, I AM A MEET EATER AND I AM NOT ASHAMED!
No one is telling you you shouls feel ashamed. This is Paul's forum, section called Cosmically Conscious and given that Mccartney is vegetarian you can understand how easy it is to find vegetarian-related discussions here. But if you are pissed off, why bother? Btw, i used to eat meet too and will never say i don't like it. This is not the point For the rest of my life i will slobber at the smell of roasted pork but the feeling of freedom and the releif for not feeling guilty will always keep me away from it. Feel free to disagree, i'll respect your choice as long as you respect mine
-
You know simplyrahil, my dream is that humanity will open its heart for the unconditional love that surrounds us. And yes, I have experienced it myself, so noone will ever convince me it isn't there. In my opinion the basic law of economics would cease to exist, as we would all share what we have and noone would come short. Not any human, not any animal. Not any living being. Perhaps my approach is different to yours. Does it make it less valuable? Perhaps the biggest difference between you and me is that I may say what I think but I won't try to convince people who are not (yet?) ready to accept my ideas. I am not even sure my ideas would be the truth for everyone; they might be the truth just for me. I don't believe in the sword. I believe in peace. And we all have to go the way we were supposed to go.
-
me2:
I believe in peace. .
that talk of 'believing in peace' here is hypocritical if it is at the cost of being silent about the PEACE of the innocent animals who are the ones being abused and murdered EVERY SECOND. "All that is needed for the forces of evil to succeed is for enough good men to remain silent. " and this is especially applicable here on this issue, especially when you are not on the case of those paying for the killing of animals but on the case of those defending them. :