URGENT! EBAY DEALERS FOLLOWING PAUL ON U.S. TOUR!
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Boggle:
..... I think what they are doing is wrong but the only way it can be stopped is by Paul stopping signing for everyone like Ringo has done but then that spoils it for the genuine fans
I think if he stopped signing his value would go up. As long as he keeps signing for every Tom Dick & Harry, he is diluting the market & the value...I would think.
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I won an autographed picture of Paul (and Linda) back in 1993, from a Blockbuster Music contest. (Blockbuster sponsored the New World Tour that year). I've held onto it for 20 years.... and just passed it to my young son, who came with me to Orlando this May. I would never dream of selling it. PS - The only downside was the picture itself... The picture with the autographs, is of Paul and the dog.... but is signed by both Paul and Linda.... So I've had to endure years of people asking me, 'Is Linda the dog?'.... (sigh!)
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martinput:
It's not a Paul specific issue. It is just the state of the autograph market today. I recall a reported conversation in a Paul signing queue some years ago... Two teenage boys on their mobile phones.... "we're in the queue outside Virgin Records for somebody's signing..... turns and asks another queuer "who's this for?" on reply... "It's Paul McCartney, apparently we have to buy something, how many of what do you want?" ... Obviously Paul is a big target for these professionals, but every celebrity at every event can expect to find the pushiest clamouring for their attention from amongst these numbers. Paul continues to sign despite this knowledge possibly in the hope at least some of what he does sign will be rightfully treasured by the first hand recipients, Ringo on the other hand has declared himself out of the game. We can do our bit by not buying from the commercial market, after all once the "signature" is marketed away from Paul it also enters the murky world of forgery, facsimile and deception. Deny them a market, deny them a profit. Martin
I would never pay a dime for something carrying an "autograph" that I didn't get live and in person! I wonder if this despicable practice is primarily an "American" thing.
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arlenelacombe:
martinput:
It's not a Paul specific issue. It is just the state of the autograph market today. I recall a reported conversation in a Paul signing queue some years ago... Two teenage boys on their mobile phones.... "we're in the queue outside Virgin Records for somebody's signing..... turns and asks another queuer "who's this for?" on reply... "It's Paul McCartney, apparently we have to buy something, how many of what do you want?" ... Obviously Paul is a big target for these professionals, but every celebrity at every event can expect to find the pushiest clamouring for their attention from amongst these numbers. Paul continues to sign despite this knowledge possibly in the hope at least some of what he does sign will be rightfully treasured by the first hand recipients, Ringo on the other hand has declared himself out of the game. We can do our bit by not buying from the commercial market, after all once the "signature" is marketed away from Paul it also enters the murky world of forgery, facsimile and deception. Deny them a market, deny them a profit. Martin
I would never pay a dime for something carrying an "autograph" that I didn't get live and in person! I wonder if this despicable practice is primarily an "American" thing.
I dont understand why you think it is Dispicable? I collect autographs and i get in persons, through the mail and i buy them as well. It is a hobby and an investment as the value of most autographs rises over the years. Not everyone is lucky enough to meet their heroes but still would like something that has been personally touched by them and that is what an autograph is. and no it isnt an American thing as it is the same here is the UK. I dont agree with people that pay others to get multiples for them but dont put down people that want to own a signature of their hero
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There will not be much of an opportunity to get an autograph on this tour, not at the venue anyway. The car doesn't stop, he goes straight in. That doesn't mean that there won't be other opportunities for the autograph hounds, but Paul is saavy to it all. He asks who it is for in order to put a name on the autograph like "to Joe" which devalues the autograph; brokers just want a plain signature. If he objected like Ringo does to brokers selling the signatures, he would stop signing as Ringo has. I would never buy an autograph from anyone, there is no way to verify it's the real deal. I have gotten all my autographs years ago, myself, long before ebay. But to each their own, if people want to risk buying one.
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To me, asking for an autograph is an opportunity to say something to the person, especially if you are nervous and cannot think of anything else that's intelligent to say. ops: It also then becomes a permanent memento and reminder of that special moment. That, to me, is the only reason to ask for one. I would never buy one. And yes, I do have Paul's autograph.
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gnome:
There will not be much of an opportunity to get an autograph on this tour, not at the venue anyway. The car doesn't stop, he goes straight in. That doesn't mean that there won't be other opportunities for the autograph hounds, but Paul is saavy to it all. He asks who it is for in order to put a name on the autograph like "to Joe" which devalues the autograph; brokers just want a plain signature. If he objected like Ringo does to brokers selling the signatures, he would stop signing as Ringo has. I would never buy an autograph from anyone, there is no way to verify it's the real deal. I have gotten all my autographs years ago, myself, long before ebay. But to each their own, if people want to risk buying one.
I was referring to the dealers who make copies of the autograph and sell them as originals. There's no way to know if it's authentic unless you get the autograph in person, and that's why I wouldn't risk it. I wasn't putting down those who sell the authentic signatures, but this forum is discussing the dealers who sell copies as originals, and that's fraud. And, I suppose that that happens everywhere not just in America.
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nobodytoldme:
Trust me, he's no rookie, he knows this, and it's nothing new. I literally heard him saying sarcastically "straight to eBaaaaay" after signing some LP when I saw him for the very first time, outside the Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Also see the plenty of footage of signings outside his yearly visit to LIPA, in which McCartney ignores certain people by saying "nope, you're a dealer".
ha! well done paul. as for autographs... that lass who got him to sign her shoulder then had it copied into a tattooo.. that is the way to do it! i'm thinking get a wings logo or maybe a his rickenbacher 4001 tat'd on my arm ... if only i'd be sure i could get him to sign my arm ... :
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Jesus....that's sad. I met Dhani Harrison back in May and got his autograph and a picture. I've seen ebay prices of hundreds of dollars for his signature. I wouldn't even think of selling it; but then again I'm a FAN. People will take advantage of anyone at the expense of making money - no matter what. It's good that Paul has a good eye for certain items that will hit the secondary market; i.e. guitar pickguards.
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Get On The Right Thing:
nobodytoldme:
Trust me, he's no rookie, he knows this, and it's nothing new. I literally heard him saying sarcastically "straight to eBaaaaay" after signing some LP when I saw him for the very first time, outside the Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Also see the plenty of footage of signings outside his yearly visit to LIPA, in which McCartney ignores certain people by saying "nope, you're a dealer".
ha! well done paul. as for autographs... that lass who got him to sign her shoulder then had it copied into a tattooo.. that is the way to do it!
Two lasses I know of: Furlow47 and aakiboh! I've seen them both in person (lucky girls!)
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If you got it in person it has a special meaning to it. I would never sell it!! If you bought one how do you know it's real? Have it authenticated? Everyone makes mistakes. Plus you didn't get it from the artist. Having said that, I bought a picture from the Each One Believing exhibit. Which was by Paul's previous photographer (I think it was Mr. Bernstein from Paul's 2002 tour) I probably wouldn't have bought it if it wasn't autographed. I felt pretty confident that it was real because of the gallery it was at and the people that were involved.
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billyshears:
I got a chance to meet Ringo (briefly) back stage at DTE music theater in the Detroit area back in 97 (show was released as an official VHS). We were told not to approach him, but i figured, hey, how many chances am i going to get to meet a Beatle? so i went up to him & asked for an autograph! he politely declined. i wasnt mad, i figured he wouldnt sign them due to Lennon doing just that & getting killed. i know if my best friend died dong something, i wouldnt do it anymore either. didnt realize he wont do it because of dealers.
Ringo didn't stop signing because of dealers until 2010; so the reason he declined your request was probably something else. Also, technically John didn't die while signing autographs. Chapman got his autograph as John & Yoko left for the recording studio and shot him several hours later when they were returning. That certainly hasn't stopped Ringo from signing autographs for thirty years.