MEAT EATERS-SHAME ON YOU
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@me2 Could you give me the links to some of these scientific articles/studies where it is shown to be effective trying to persuade people to one's point of view by communicating with them in an aggressive way? I am not referring to photos or videos. I am referring to the interaction, the way we treat others while trying to persuade them. Thanks. That's something different and very applicable to this thread. And not just this thread and not just one side. And therefore very interesting. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- I don't know if studies have been done, at least that I can find, on "actual vegan" behavior, aggressive or not, in converting people... I was actually referring to the photos and videos graphic content as to influencing people to rethink their diets and meat use... I could have worded that sentence better, but it illustrates part of what we are discussing... That whether vegans are totally meek and quiet or more aggressive...non vegans will still take offense at what vegans are trying to get them to see...that using/eating animals is wrong. It is morally wrong to cause the constant pain and terror and death that animals go through, just so humans can taste what they are addicted to.... I have gently suggested a vegan food item instead of the giant steak someone is about to eat...and they blow up in my face... But I could say.....hey, jerk, how about you put down the blood soaked chunk of meat and wake up...and they would still blow up in my face... So what's the difference? Not much as far as I can see... Personally I try to always be gentle and careful with what I say...but to be honest I'm the one who gets crap ALL the time from non vegans..... no matter how careful I am..... So this swings both ways...vegans get attacked constantly...mocked constantly...ridiculed constantly...insulted constantly... And on top of that...we get to have meat commercials, magazine ads, TV spots, store displays, family dinner tables centered around meat, etc., etc.... The people who eat meat are certainly NOT having to cope with all that...are they? Seen too many vegan food commercials lately?....hahahahaha Nope, because our ENTIRE world is focused on meat/dairy/poultry...not vegan food. Yet vegans are always the ones who are supposedly "shoving our beliefs down everyone's throats".... I find that hard to stomach....literally.
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simplyrahil:
Lone Raven:
Love the pic, Rahil. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
indeed, Lone Raven but i guess the FAMOUS PERSONS in the photo making those statements so boldly on t-shirts like that, whose site we happen to be posting on, are also 'bullying', 'trying to control', 'harassing', 'insulting', 'trolling', etc. with making such bold statements for the animals/against killing them FOR THE WORLD to see, no less
No he isn't he is giving an opinion and you are just plain bullying, abusing, ridiculing anyone that doesn't believe the same as you. Paul is not anti meat eaters he is anti-meat - There is a difference, just you are so bitter and twisted that you cant see it, and don't keep on bringing Paul into the conversations and saying you are the same, because clearly you are not, Paul is compassionate and caring and you are just an extremist that thinks only your way is the correct way. You show me where Paul have called meat eaters murderers?
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Boggle:
simplyrahil:
Lone Raven:
Love the pic, Rahil. Pretty much says it all, doesn't it?
indeed, Lone Raven but i guess the FAMOUS PERSONS in the photo making those statements so boldly on t-shirts like that, whose site we happen to be posting on, are also 'bullying', 'trying to control', 'harassing', 'insulting', 'trolling', etc. with making such bold statements for the animals/against killing them FOR THE WORLD to see, no less
No he isn't he is giving an opinion and you are just plain bullying, abusing, ridiculing anyone that doesn't believe the same as you. Paul is not anti meat eaters he is anti-meat - There is a difference, just you are so bitter and twisted that you cant see it, and don't keep on bringing Paul into the conversations and saying you are the same, because clearly you are not, Paul is compassionate and caring and you are just an extremist that thinks only your way is the correct way. You show me where Paul have called meat eaters murderers?
SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE DIRECTLY CALLED ANIMAL-EATERS "MURDERERS" I SAID THE FACT - THAT ANIMAL-EATERS PAY FOR KILLING ANIMALS, SO YES, YOU DO PAY FOR MURDER THERE IS NO GUESSING GAME OR BEATING AROUND THE BUSH ABOUT THAT YOU BOGGLE PROUDLY POST ABOUT NOT CARING A DAMN ABOUT ANIMALS (I CAN QUOTE POSTS AGAIN WITH YOUR WORDS) AND JUST WANT TO EAT THEM BUT SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY I SAID WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I SAID ABOUT 'MURDERERS' REGARDLESS, AGAIN, EVEN IF ONE DOESN'T KILL THE ANIMAL HIM/HERSELF, ONE IS PAYING FOR THAT MURDER AND IS EQUALLY INCRIMINATED IN THE MURDER SO YOU EAT ANIMALS, AT LEAST ACCEPT THAT BASIC FACT =>WHY HIDE YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND ABOUT THIS BASIC FACT WHICH IS COMMON SENSE AND WHICH YOU CONTINUE TO PAY FOR? AND PAUL MCCARTNEY IS EXPOSING THAT JUST AS WELL WITH HIS WORDS, VIDEOS, SONGS, EVEN IF HIS STYLE OF DOING IT MAY NOT BE THE SAME AS OTHERS WHO ARE ALSO DOING IT FOR THE ANIMALS. REGARDLESS, ACCEPT THE FACTS
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No matter how everyone tries to explain their choice to eat or not eat meat...one thing is a fact. You are "extreme" when you choose to condone, support and pay money into a system that abuses, tortures and kills billions of innocent animals a year. You are NOT "extreme" for trying to make people understand that is an unacceptable choice to begin with. Duke it out, hash it out, argue it out, scream it out, all you want...but...... Compassion and empathy for animal life is NOT extreme... Taking animal life for human greed IS extreme...
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^ EXACTLY!
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Dierdra:
No matter how everyone tries to explain their choice to eat or not eat meat...one thing is a fact. You are "extreme" when you choose to condone, support and pay money into a system that abuses, tortures and kills billions of innocent animals a year. You are NOT "extreme" for trying to make people understand that is an unacceptable choice to begin with. Duke it out, hash it out, argue it out, scream it out, all you want...but...... Compassion and empathy for animal life is NOT extreme... Taking animal life for human greed IS extreme...
EXACTLY! --- in related news, my VEGAN/ANIMAL RIGHTS SONG 'Kalau Nasty (greenlight version)' will air on Tuesday, 5th Feb. 2013 on Houston KPFT 90.1FM ! at 6pm PST/8 pm CST/9pm EST 2am GMT (Feb. 6th) The show can be heard live online streaming at (www.kpft.org) KPFT 90.1 FM : Houston's Community Public Radio Station http://www.kpft.org/player.php on the left - LIVE NOW 90.1 HD-1 go vegan stop killing and eating the animals our message moves forward for the animals and we will continue to urge and appeal everyone to also stop funding and consuming of this bloodshed
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thank you to everyone who tuned in tonight to hear 'kalau nasty (greenlight version)' on Houston's KPFT 90.1fm for those who missed it, recording of my segment (opening of show)
archive from the official site of tonight's entire programme - http://archive.kpft.org/m3u.php?mp3fil=8432012 or http://archive.kpft.org/mp3/kpft_130205_200000vwr.mp3 go vegan! -
My final cut on being a vegetarian is. Beyond evrything I searched for and got answers for spiritually. It is the duality of the soul and decided and know that animals do have souls. When there is duality of a living creature it isn't really dead. There is a space between and animals know we eat them aswell. They are almost as God like beings as us and in fact some of the Gods started of being like animals in my belief. Thats it.
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jonesing:
I'm considering becoming a vegetarian. Is there a particular site anyone can recommend, that details the transition process from meat eater to vegetarian? Thank you.
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pertinent...
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simplyrahil:
pertinent...
As I stated in the other thread, this song is amazing and very powerful with the video images...if you don't 'get it' after watching and listening to the lyrics of this song, well let's not say you never will 'get it', but it is right here, what we are doing to our planet and the suffering of the animals! Let's stop it!
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hey_kittay:
simplyrahil:
pertinent...
As I stated in the other thread, this song is amazing and very powerful with the video images...if you don't 'get it' after watching and listening to the lyrics of this song, well let's not say you never will 'get it', but it is right here, what we are doing to our planet and the suffering of the animals! Let's stop it!
thank you!
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simplyrahil:
SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE DIRECTLY CALLED ANIMAL-EATERS "MURDERERS" I SAID THE FACT - THAT ANIMAL-EATERS PAY FOR KILLING ANIMALS, SO YES, YOU DO PAY FOR MURDER BUT SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY I SAID WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I SAID ABOUT 'MURDERERS' REGARDLESS, AGAIN, EVEN IF ONE DOESN'T KILL THE ANIMAL HIM/HERSELF, ONE IS PAYING FOR THAT MURDER AND IS EQUALLY INCRIMINATED IN THE MURDER
Killing animals may be a lot of things at times but it isn't murder... Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
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Some provocative thoughts from Bill Maher (viewer discretion advised):
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cfergoid:
simplyrahil:
SHOW ME WHERE I HAVE DIRECTLY CALLED ANIMAL-EATERS "MURDERERS" I SAID THE FACT - THAT ANIMAL-EATERS PAY FOR KILLING ANIMALS, SO YES, YOU DO PAY FOR MURDER BUT SHOW ME WHERE EXACTLY I SAID WHAT YOU ARE SAYING I SAID ABOUT 'MURDERERS' REGARDLESS, AGAIN, EVEN IF ONE DOESN'T KILL THE ANIMAL HIM/HERSELF, ONE IS PAYING FOR THAT MURDER AND IS EQUALLY INCRIMINATED IN THE MURDER
Killing animals may be a lot of things at times but it isn't murder... Murder: The unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another.
semantics. whatever words wished to be used can never justify any of the taking of life of animals/the killing of animals/the MURDER of animals whatever words, whatever language, it's wrong.
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simplyrahil:
semantics. whatever words wished to be used can never justify any of the taking of life of animals/the killing of animals/the MURDER of animals whatever words, whatever language, it's wrong.
I really think you should qualify that statement with "In my opinion"...
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cfergoid:
simplyrahil:
semantics. whatever words wished to be used can never justify any of the taking of life of animals/the killing of animals/the MURDER of animals whatever words, whatever language, it's wrong.
I really think you should qualify that statement with "In my opinion"...
nope no opinion involved fact
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cfergoid:
simplyrahil:
semantics. whatever words wished to be used can never justify any of the taking of life of animals/the killing of animals/the MURDER of animals whatever words, whatever language, it's wrong.
I really think you should qualify that statement with "In my opinion"...
Killing people is wrong... Killing animals is wrong... Killing any being that does NOT want to die is wrong... So cfergoid, unless you think animals are ASKING to be killed/murdered, which I am SURE they are not... THIS topic is fact...not opinion...
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Dierdra:
cfergoid:
simplyrahil:
semantics. whatever words wished to be used can never justify any of the taking of life of animals/the killing of animals/the MURDER of animals whatever words, whatever language, it's wrong.
I really think you should qualify that statement with "In my opinion"...
Killing people is wrong... Killing animals is wrong... Killing any being that does NOT want to die is wrong... So cfergoid, unless you think animals are ASKING to be killed/murdered, which I am SURE they are not... THIS topic is fact...not opinion...
EXACTLY
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Repeating yourself over and over isn't going to turn your opinions into facts, no matter how strong they are!