New ELO and Paul
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RMartinez:
Kestrel:
RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
To quote Roger Waters: "It's absolutely ridiculous to judge a record solely on sales. If you're going to use sales as the sole criterion, it makes Grease a better record than Graceland."
In many ways, Grease is a better LP than Graceland.
Now Graceland is a BRILLIANT album.... one of my favourites... but hard to disagree that the Grease soundtrack was not also without its brilliance, in terms of pop. Some timeless classics on that, even if not my complete cup of tea... but, yeah, cannot deny that it is actually quite a very good album
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toris:
New avenues with Kanye?..... The problem is I "almost" kept an open mind to that collaboration.... and, if it actually amounted to something eventful.... even some kind of meaningful pop-rap mish-mash that was brilliant (which was what I was "hopeful in" expecting), even some kind of here-and there mix of the two genres (to even make me appreciate it... a bit of melody with some rap thrown in), then I may have welcomed it.... problem is, it was pedestrian garbage.... it was massively anti-climactic.... it did NOTHING for McCartney's legacy, and sadly so, I suspect it did little for Mr. W. Anker Kardashian.... A waste of time and energy.... I hope we've seen the back of it all.
Your opinion. Working with Kanye (which is now over, so perhaps get over it?) certainly hasn't done anything to harm McCartney's legacy. It certainly does seem extreme the animosity to him on this board. Perhaps you would have him tread the same tired old boards as Rod?
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lisalou7:
toris:
New avenues with Kanye?..... The problem is I "almost" kept an open mind to that collaboration.... and, if it actually amounted to something eventful.... even some kind of meaningful pop-rap mish-mash that was brilliant (which was what I was "hopeful in" expecting), even some kind of here-and there mix of the two genres (to even make me appreciate it... a bit of melody with some rap thrown in), then I may have welcomed it.... problem is, it was pedestrian garbage.... it was massively anti-climactic.... it did NOTHING for McCartney's legacy, and sadly so, I suspect it did little for Mr. W. Anker Kardashian.... A waste of time and energy.... I hope we've seen the back of it all.
Your opinion. Working with Kanye (which is now over, so perhaps get over it?) certainly hasn't done anything to harm McCartney's legacy. It certainly does seem extreme the animosity to him on this board. Perhaps you would have him tread the same tired old boards as Rod?
As I said, if one wants to work with an artist like Mr. Kardashian, at least make it worth its while.... Not achieved.... the whole venture was not a musical triumph, in my eyes.... oddly enough, as much as I detest the Fifth Kardashian, it could've been an interesting venture, if either of them spent more than five minutes on it....never said it hurt Paul's legacy... just said it never helped.... it would take a hell of a lot for ANYTHING to hurt Paul's legacy..... and, no, I don't want Paul to tread the Rod Stewart trail.... wouldn't mind some new music, though.....
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Yes new music would be great! I completely disagree with a lot of you about his Kanye collaborations but where I do get irked and annoyed with Paul, is when he does something even Sting wouldn't even have considered! Get involved with that dire project Love Song to the Earth!
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lisalou7:
RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
He won't be having 'blockbusters' at 73. You forget Electric Arguments and how diverse and extraordinary that album was. How actually hard edged MAF was. How melodic and diverse was New. Do you see any other artists of Paul's age being that brave, working with four producers? Trying new avenues with Kanye? Four Five Seconds was a great pop song. Have you heard what artists the same age or younger than Paul are coming out with? Have you heard the dire crap Rod Stewart is producing? Whilst Lynne's album might be soft and melodic it isn't anything Paul hasn't done 20 times over.
Lynne's CD isn't anything he himself hasn't done 20 times over! As far as the amazing melodies on NEW, which ones? Or even, which one? To be fair, the song New is very melodic. What's so brave about working with four producers? I agree about Paul at 73, I don't expect him to be at the top of his game. But frankly, people like Jeff Lynne and Neil Finn write better songs in the genre McCartney invented than Paul does. All I am saying is I want Paul to be doing it better than them! Paul has nothing to prove as far as diversity, he wrote Rocky Raccoon, Only One More Kiss, Helter Skelter, Hey Jude, Silly Love Songs, Warm and Beautiful, etc. I just want a more consistently great CD from him. I do agree with some of your points, he does put out a lot of diverse music and has hardly been up to nothing! As I said before, the feeling I get is that those who would not like to see McCartney-Lynne songs just do not like Jeff Lynne. Just like I don't care to hear one McCartney-West song.
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toris:
RMartinez:
Kestrel:
RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
To quote Roger Waters: "It's absolutely ridiculous to judge a record solely on sales. If you're going to use sales as the sole criterion, it makes Grease a better record than Graceland."
In many ways, Grease is a better LP than Graceland.
Now Graceland is a BRILLIANT album.... one of my favourites... but hard to disagree that the Grease soundtrack was not also without its brilliance, in terms of pop. Some timeless classics on that, even if not my complete cup of tea... but, yeah, cannot deny that it is actually quite a very good album
I love Graceland too, BTW!
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lisalou7:
Yes new music would be great! I completely disagree with a lot of you about his Kanye collaborations but where I do get irked and annoyed with Paul, is when he does something even Sting wouldn't even have considered! Get involved with that dire project Love Song to the Earth!
Ha ha! Yes, I tend to agree!
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Now, Sting.... he was brilliant from Reggatta De Blanc to The Dream of The Blue Turtles...
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toris:
New avenues with Kanye?..... The problem is I "almost" kept an open mind to that collaboration.... and, if it actually amounted to something eventful.... even some kind of meaningful pop-rap mish-mash that was brilliant (which was what I was "hopeful in" expecting), even some kind of here-and there mix of the two genres (to even make me appreciate it... a bit of melody with some rap thrown in), then I may have welcomed it.... problem is, it was pedestrian garbage.... it was massively anti-climactic.... it did NOTHING for McCartney's legacy, and sadly so, I suspect it did little for Mr. W. Anker Kardashian.... A waste of time and energy.... I hope we've seen the back of it all.
"Mr. W. Anker Kardashian"
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RMartinez:
MaccaMeri:
RMartinez:
Jeff Lynne has a pretty successful career as it is, he doesn't need to collaborate with Paul anymore than Paul needs to collaborate with him.
That's the point, I don't understand how it would naturally come about to get them to work together again.
Why? People like Paul, Elvis Costello, Jeff Lynne and Eric Clapton call each other all the time to write songs, record on each others albums, etc. Are Paul and Jeff in a fight? Maybe they are and I am not aware.
Well, when was the last collaboration? I don't think recently he's been calling his old friends to work with him. Nobody's fighting, nobody seems all that bothered.
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MetalGod:
Two words: FLAMING PIE One of his best solo works at the time in 15 years (since TOW/POP era). And look who produced that album........Jeff Lynne. So it's a valid proposal to get Jeff back on board in the future.
Jeff produced a couple of songs.
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toris:
Now, Sting.... he was brilliant from Reggatta De Blanc to The Dream of The Blue Turtles...
Sting. Yuk.
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moptops:
MetalGod:
Two words: FLAMING PIE One of his best solo works at the time in 15 years (since TOW/POP era). And look who produced that album........Jeff Lynne. So it's a valid proposal to get Jeff back on board in the future.
Jeff produced a couple of songs.
To be fair, Jeff co-produced (with Paul) 8 of the 14 songs but I don't think Jeff's contribution added up to much. The albums relative success came down to the quality of the songs and the better ones were evenly split. Somedays, Young Boy & Calico Skies had no involvement from Jeff, while Heaven On A Sunday, Little Willow & Beautiful Night did.
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moptops:
toris:
Now, Sting.... he was brilliant from Reggatta De Blanc to The Dream of The Blue Turtles...
Sting. Yuk.
The Police, for me, were a wonderful band.... but Sting lost his mojo in the 80's.... started to take himself a little too seriously..... but, to his credit, I did see a recent special where he did an acoustic version of "Message in a Bottle"..... and it was pretty, pretty good.
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Kestrel:
moptops:
MetalGod:
Two words: FLAMING PIE One of his best solo works at the time in 15 years (since TOW/POP era). And look who produced that album........Jeff Lynne. So it's a valid proposal to get Jeff back on board in the future.
Jeff produced a couple of songs.
To be fair, Jeff co-produced (with Paul) 8 of the 14 songs but I don't think Jeff's contribution added up to much. The albums relative success came down to the quality of the songs and the better ones were evenly split. Somedays, Young Boy & Calico Skies had no involvement from Jeff, while Heaven On A Sunday, Little Willow & Beautiful Night did.
Based on your assessment, Lynne did quite a bit. He produced over half the LP and, how can anyone know how much or how little he contributed unless you were there? It's a no brainer that a producer will have more success with an artist if the artist brings in strong songs than weak ones. No producer can turn a weak song into a strong song. That isn't the producer's job. A producer helps shape the sound of a recording and often offers advice and insight into improving a song or will bring in ideas for background vocals or change an arrangement. They may even perform and sing on the record. One thing Jeff Lynne did NOT do is just hit "record" and let Paul do what he wanted. It is to Paul's credit that he worked with Lynne and Steve Miller and let their contributions be heard. If not, why on earth work with them? He did that as well with Stevie Wonder and Stanley Clarke on Tug Of War. If Paul were to collaborate with Lynne writing songs, they would still sound like Paul tunes, but with Lynne contributing to words and music. Paul did it with Elvis Costello and that teaming produced some great songs. If anyone thinks Paul should write songs with Kanye West but not Jeff Lynne, they need to get their head examined!
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Whatever Lynne produces (ie) touches, is obvious to the ears. I don't detect a lot of his touch: Based on that - he didn't ruin Flaming Pie.
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moptops:
Whatever Lynne produces (ie) touches, is obvious to the ears. I don't detect a lot of his touch: Based on that - he didn't ruin Flaming Pie.
Exactly. He was part of a team that made it a great LP. Typically a producer helps the artist bring their vision to fruition. It's not supposed to sound like a Jeff Lynne LP, but like a McCartney LP, which it does. On Young Boy, it is clear that Steve Miller had a hand in coming up with the back up vocals, so it has his touch. But it still sounds like a McCartney song. And Lynne's touch is all over Beautiful Night, one of the best tracks on Flaming Pie.
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I am suspect i'm a Big big big Jeff Lynne fan of course i prefer macca writing something with Lynne but I never saw me as the world crazyest person if i don't mind macca working with an artist so different ,macca teach me to like every music style in all these years, macca you want to write more with Kanye...go ahead!
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moptops:
Whatever Lynne produces (ie) touches, is obvious to the ears. I don't detect a lot of his touch: Based on that - he didn't ruin Flaming Pie.
I dreaded hearing Flaming Pie when I'd learned that Jeff Lynne was producing it. I feared that it would sound like a Wilburys/tom Petty record. But to my amazement, the album sounded fresh and very McCartney.
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audi:
moptops:
Whatever Lynne produces (ie) touches, is obvious to the ears. I don't detect a lot of his touch: Based on that - he didn't ruin Flaming Pie.
I dreaded hearing Flaming Pie when I'd learned that Jeff Lynne was producing it. I feared that it would sound like a Wilburys/tom Petty record. But to my amazement, the album sounded fresh and very McCartney.
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