New ELO and Paul
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ELO's music was a far better homage than Oasis. Cloud Nine and The Traveling Wilburys are two of my favorite albums. A great time. George on top of his game. Gotta give Jeff Lynne some credit. Still waiting for Oasis to release their "promised' explosive "Peppers" album. Never happened.
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Oasis schmoasis.
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audi:
Oasis schmoasis.
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RMartinez:
I understand that, if you don't like Jeff Lynne, you don't want him collaborating with Paul. But to say Lynne's music is sterile, but think Hope For The Future is hard edged music is really off the mark. THAT is sterile.
Who said that?
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brettb3:
RMartinez:
I understand that, if you don't like Jeff Lynne, you don't want him collaborating with Paul. But to say Lynne's music is sterile, but think Hope For The Future is hard edged music is really off the mark. THAT is sterile.
Who said that?
The implication seems to be that some don't want Lynne to collaborate with Paul because his music is sterile. As if Paul's recent music is so hard edged and rocking. I used Hope For The Future to show that is not the case. I listened to Lynne's new CD today and really like it! His harmonies are very smooth, but so are Brian Wilson's.
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RMartinez:
And that is the problem in the McCartney fan universe right now. Everyone knows Band On The Run is a great LP and a classic. But only some think Driving Rain and Chaos are great while many think they are mediocre (like me). The songs you mention from NEW are in the same league as Chaos and Driving. Paul needs to put out an LP that is universally acclaimed and that he goes on TV and promotes and plays songs from and tours and promotes and everyone loves. That has not happened in some time.
How would that even be possible? McCartney's universe is vast. And, as Spider Man's uncle said, with great size comes great diversity. The fact that some fans think Chaos is the greatest thing in the world and some think it's a steaming pile of horse apples shows that there is pretty much nothing he can do to unite all of his fans, especially when so many of them hate most of what he does.
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HaileyMcComet:
RMartinez:
And that is the problem in the McCartney fan universe right now. Everyone knows Band On The Run is a great LP and a classic. But only some think Driving Rain and Chaos are great while many think they are mediocre (like me). The songs you mention from NEW are in the same league as Chaos and Driving. Paul needs to put out an LP that is universally acclaimed and that he goes on TV and promotes and plays songs from and tours and promotes and everyone loves. That has not happened in some time.
How would that even be possible? McCartney's universe is vast. And, as Spider Man's uncle said, with great size comes great diversity. The fact that some fans think Chaos is the greatest thing in the world and some think it's a steaming pile of horse apples shows that there is pretty much nothing he can do to unite all of his fans, especially when so many of them hate most of what he does.
Actually, I think it was Debbie Does Dallas who said "With great size comes great diversity!" If so many fans hate most of what he does, he must be doing something right.
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RMartinez:
Actually, I think it was Debbie Does Dallas who said "With great size comes great diversity!"
I'll have to defer to your expertise on that one.
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There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
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Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
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RMartinez:
Jeff Lynne has a pretty successful career as it is, he doesn't need to collaborate with Paul anymore than Paul needs to collaborate with him.
That's the point, I don't understand how it would naturally come about to get them to work together again.
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MaccaMeri:
RMartinez:
Jeff Lynne has a pretty successful career as it is, he doesn't need to collaborate with Paul anymore than Paul needs to collaborate with him.
That's the point, I don't understand how it would naturally come about to get them to work together again.
Why? People like Paul, Elvis Costello, Jeff Lynne and Eric Clapton call each other all the time to write songs, record on each others albums, etc. Are Paul and Jeff in a fight? Maybe they are and I am not aware.
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RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
To quote Roger Waters: "It's absolutely ridiculous to judge a record solely on sales. If you're going to use sales as the sole criterion, it makes Grease a better record than Graceland."
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The new ELO record received generally favorable reviews, but it was not quite as well reviewed as New: http://www.metacritic.com/music/alone-in-the-universe/jeff-lynnes-elo http://www.metacritic.com/music/new/paul-mccartney It sold 20,000 copies in the U.S. in its first week, less than a third of what New sold in its first week. If you think working with Lynne will inject Paul's music with some kind of life, either critically or commercially, that doesn't currently exist, well... I just don't see it.
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Kestrel:
RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
To quote Roger Waters: "It's absolutely ridiculous to judge a record solely on sales. If you're going to use sales as the sole criterion, it makes Grease a better record than Graceland."
In many ways, Grease is a better LP than Graceland.
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brettb3:
The new ELO record received generally favorable reviews, but it was not quite as well reviewed as New: http://www.metacritic.com/music/alone-in-the-universe/jeff-lynnes-elo http://www.metacritic.com/music/new/paul-mccartney It sold 20,000 copies in the U.S. in its first week, less than a third of what New sold in its first week. If you think working with Lynne will inject Paul's music with some kind of life, either critically or commercially, that doesn't currently exist, well... I just don't see it.
Flaming Pie, a Lynne production, sold 676,000 units in the USA. New sold 190,000 units in the USA. I'll take the Lynne produced McCartney LP any day. I doubt Paul is happy selling less than more. McCartney has NEVER been about that.
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All people knows that Paul likes more sells than good critics!I like it too!For me critics are just a few but sells well is a great amount of people who like a record and buy it! but nothing is so clear What if that Capitol guy don´t call McCartney and tell him that the álbum is a great álbum and need the right promotion?next he puts Jet out and the history we all know(If don´t Band on the run only arrive to the number 7 in Billboard!)what about Double fantasy and Just like starting over single from Lennon(if he never died the way he died the álbum and the single never arrive at the number one in Billboard and the UK)Now, the NEW record is better than Red Rose Speedway but Red rose was number one and was Gold record in USA a time when the radio plays "My love"very much!Now what radio plays a good song from McCartney? i´ll tell you... NONE!NEW is the most bad luck álbum in McCartney recording history, a real sad history!
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RMartinez:
brettb3:
The new ELO record received generally favorable reviews, but it was not quite as well reviewed as New: http://www.metacritic.com/music/alone-in-the-universe/jeff-lynnes-elo http://www.metacritic.com/music/new/paul-mccartney It sold 20,000 copies in the U.S. in its first week, less than a third of what New sold in its first week. If you think working with Lynne will inject Paul's music with some kind of life, either critically or commercially, that doesn't currently exist, well... I just don't see it.
Flaming Pie, a Lynne production, sold 676,000 units in the USA. New sold 190,000 units in the USA. I'll take the Lynne produced McCartney LP any day. I doubt Paul is happy selling less than more. McCartney has NEVER been about that.
Yes, in a very, very different climate when it came to album sales.
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RMartinez:
Kestrel:
There's about as much chance of Jeff producing Paul's next album as there is Paul producing Jeff's next album. Thankfully,neither event will happen. If Paul wants to collaborate again with a producer he's worked with in the past then Youth,Nigel Godrich or any of the guys(Martin, Epworth, Ronson or Johns) who co-produced 'New' would suffice.
So, you think he should just keep doing what he's doing? Ok. That has produced some REAL blockbusters.
He won't be having 'blockbusters' at 73. You forget Electric Arguments and how diverse and extraordinary that album was. How actually hard edged MAF was. How melodic and diverse was New. Do you see any other artists of Paul's age being that brave, working with four producers? Trying new avenues with Kanye? Four Five Seconds was a great pop song. Have you heard what artists the same age or younger than Paul are coming out with? Have you heard the dire crap Rod Stewart is producing? Whilst Lynne's album might be soft and melodic it isn't anything Paul hasn't done 20 times over.
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New avenues with Kanye?..... The problem is I "almost" kept an open mind to that collaboration.... and, if it actually amounted to something eventful.... even some kind of meaningful pop-rap mish-mash that was brilliant (which was what I was "hopeful in" expecting), even some kind of here-and there mix of the two genres (to even make me appreciate it... a bit of melody with some rap thrown in), then I may have welcomed it.... problem is, it was pedestrian garbage.... it was massively anti-climactic.... it did NOTHING for McCartney's legacy, and sadly so, I suspect it did little for Mr. W. Anker Kardashian.... A waste of time and energy.... I hope we've seen the back of it all.