A New Balanced Paul Compilation / 4 or 5 Disc By Each Decade
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B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Who is this for? Die hard fans already have the albums. Are casual listeners going to buy a 100 song compilation?
_________________________________________________________ Just to clarify... My main point in this thread was to prove how good and underrated Paul's Post Beatles' career has been. You could take a new "By Decade" compilaton of close to 100 songs (and not include the 2010 to now period because the decade is not finished) and have a set that is just as good of quality as Pure McCartney. My final example only has 3 duplicated songs from "Pure" and they are different versions. I am not saying that Paul should and/or will do a compilation like this in the near future. First of all, he has FITD coming out plus a new album later. And Pure McCartney is not that old at this point. I won't be surprised or shocked if Paul and Capitol might come out with something like this in 2020-2021 or even a little later. Then they could have a 5 Disc set including the final decade (2010 to the end of 2019). There are so many good to great songs by that point that are not on Pure McCartney or any of his other greatest hits' sets. Let's face it by the beginning of the next decade, Paul will be approaching 80. If his next album is a critical success and he is touring far less, I think there will be a demand for a more complete and deeper Compilation by that point. I wasn't much of a fan of the Beatles' Anthology Series. # 1 was ok but I liked #2 and #3 less. Personally I'm not into 3 versions of the same song starting at different points and the like. I'm more into "complete" songs albeit using the best take. Even on demo's and unreleased songs, I want complete songs. But a compilation like I'm suggesting in 4 to 5 years might be viable especially if it contains good demos, B-sides and unreleased. There is where the "true" Macca fans would be the prime audience. Not suggesting it would be a best seller but in 5 years certainly a viable project if done correctly. There is certainly no need to duplicate Pure McCartney.
Thanks for the clarification BJ, I thought I understood your point but you explained it a lot better than me. Your idea and the songs you put on it made me wish "Pure McCartney was not done and they would have done what you suggested - oh well.
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Nancy R:
It's a matter of personal taste. I loved the Anthology CDs. It all seemed "new" to me at the time. We agree to disagree.
No problem, if everybody agreed it would be awfully boring - lol.
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toris:
The Beatles Anthology series was brilliant.... Delivered in spades. And to know they could release just as much brilliant stuff in another dozen releases of Beatles Anthologies that would be just as fascinating to the big fan..... S0 much untapped versions of recordings they could release.... I think the issue here is we would love to see the same treatment exacted on Paul's career.... Just like the Lennon Anthology.... there's a lot of interesting stuff on that.... a lot of swearing..... warts and all.... all part of the magnificence of his career, and the fact he was human..... But nobody in the McCartney camp seems intent on releasing that just yet..... heaven forbid, if he is caught swearing.... And just now, to reflect, every one of those Beatles Anthology releases were AMAZING..... The Beatles Anthology series was BRILLIANT.
__________________________________________________________ Toris, Notice in my slightly revised "By the Decade" and "Deeper" McCartney Compilation I added Big Boys Bickering. Talk about swearing ha ha...this is a complete finished song from the Off the Ground Complete Sessions with the 2nd CD. Very few people have that CD and I put like 4 songs on a future type compilation. Relative to the Beatles Anthology, we have to agree to disagree. I remember when the Anthology came out, I was in line like many other Beatle fans to grab them. If I recall, they staggered the releases. Anyway, I thought the first one was pretty good because it had some unreleased songs, rare songs and a "live" set of the early hits that I hadn't heard before. After that the 2nd and 3rd Anthologies were very disappointing to me. Just my personal taste I might emphasize. Sounds like you're more of a completest and that is fine. I'm not that interested in different takes on the same song. I more interested in the finished, best take. I do like actual "live" versions taken from an actual tour. That was not the case with Anthology 2 or 3 from what I remember. They were different takes from the studio. Again, not my cup of tea. As far as my opinion on Pure McCartney and the need for a better, deeper Compilation (in 3-5 years), I still think it would be very viable. Completest, who already have all of Paul's albums, singles with B-Sides etc. would not be the primary audience for sure. It would be more for Paul and Beatle fans who don't have all his albums. One thing that would be necessary, in my opinion, would be to have a few unreleased, rare, B-sides, special live versions and demos on each disc depending on which decade the song was done. A couple of good examples on my list are: On the Wings of a Nightingale (demo) Yvonne Waterspout Goodbye (demo) Why So Blue (b-side) Country Dreamer (great demo version) This Loving Game (b-side) Summer of 59 (b-side) The Mess (live at the Hague) Give Ireland Back to the Irish I could give quite a few more examples of songs that were not on original albums. There would be plenty for fans like me who do have a good number of the albums but don't have many of Paul's rare stuff. Again, I like complete songs and not snippets of the same songs. That is just me but I believe I'm in the majority. And the best deeper album cuts eliminates a good number of inferior songs that seem to pop up on even Paul's good albums (e.g. Gratitude, Really Love You). At the same time it includes the good songs from the "less than enthusiastic albums like Wildlife, McCartney 2, Pipes of Peace etc. Most people who like McCartney don't even have those albums. Again, this is not something that I think or should be released in the next couple of years. Let the existing Decade end and with Paul getting seriously older, I believe there will be a good demand for something like "By the Decade". But I agree it has to contain a few unreleased, rare songs on each disc Then even for the harder core fans, it would not be the same old same old.
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B J Conlee:
toris:
The Beatles Anthology series was brilliant.... Delivered in spades. And to know they could release just as much brilliant stuff in another dozen releases of Beatles Anthologies that would be just as fascinating to the big fan..... S0 much untapped versions of recordings they could release.... I think the issue here is we would love to see the same treatment exacted on Paul's career.... Just like the Lennon Anthology.... there's a lot of interesting stuff on that.... a lot of swearing..... warts and all.... all part of the magnificence of his career, and the fact he was human..... But nobody in the McCartney camp seems intent on releasing that just yet..... heaven forbid, if he is caught swearing.... And just now, to reflect, every one of those Beatles Anthology releases were AMAZING..... The Beatles Anthology series was BRILLIANT.
__________________________________________________________ Toris, Notice in my slightly revised "By the Decade" and "Deeper" McCartney Compilation I added Big Boys Bickering. Talk about swearing ha ha...this is a complete finished song from the Off the Ground Complete List 2nd CD. Very few people have that CD and I put like 4 songs on a future type compilation. Relative to the Beatles' Anthology, we have to agree to disagree. I remember when the Anthology came out, I was in line like many other Beatle fans to grab them. If I recall, they staggered the releases. Anyway, I thought the first one was pretty good because it had some unreleased songs, rare songs and a "live" set of the early hits that I hadn't heard before. After that the 2nd and 3rd Anthologies were very disappointing to me. Just my personal taste I might emphasize. Sounds like you're more of a completest and that is fine. I'm not that interested in different takes on the same song. I more interested in the finished, best take. As far as my opinion on Pure McCartney and the need for a better, deeper Compilation (in 3-5 years), I still think it would be very viable. Completest, who already have all of Paul's albums, singles with B-Sides etc. would not be the primary audience for sure. It would be more for Paul and Beatle fans who don't have all his albums. One thing that would be necessary, in my opinion, would be to have a few unreleased, rare, B-sides, special live versions and demos on each disc depending on which decade the song was done. A couple of good examples on my list are: On the Wings of a Nightingale (demo) Yvonne Waterspout Goodbye (demo) Why So Blue (b-side) Country Dreamer (great demo version) This Loving Game (b-side) Summer of 59 (b-side) The Mess (live at the Hague) Give Ireland Back to the Irish I could give quite a few more examples of songs that were not on original albums. There would plenty for fans like me who do have a good number of the albums but don't have many of Paul's rare stuff. Again, I like complete songs and not snippets of the same songs. That is just me but I believe I'm in the majority. By only having the best of the deeper album cuts also eliminates a good number of inferior songs that seem to pop up on even Paul's good albums (e.g. Gratitude, Really Love You). At the same time it includes the good songs from the "less than enthusiastic albums like Wildlife, McCartney 2, Pipes of Peace etc. Most people who like Mccartney don't even have those albums. Again, this is not something that I think or should be released in the next couple of years. Let the existing Decade end and with Paul getting seriously older, I believe there will be a good demand for something like "By the Decade". But I agree it has to contain a few unreleased, rare songs on each disc Then even for the harder core fans, it would not be the same old same old.
____________________________________________________ Just a couple of more points regarding my defense of a Deeper, by the Decade Compilation. I just put 2, 3 or 4 of the unreleased demos/b-sides/rare live songs on each disc. These were songs that I heard on U-tube that I wondered...why were these songs not on actual albums. In many cases they were better than some of the album songs that made the cut. I realize that its more complicated than meets the eye in determining a final album track list. In any case, the good news is that Paul has so many quality songs that never made it onto an album. The songs I listed above are just a few of them... absolutely terrific songs that even many harder core Macca fans would love to have. Now I don't have access to Paul's vaults nor have I heard all the non-released songs. From lists I have seen I just touched the surface with the ones I listed. No doubt there are some that are of less quality or snippets of songs that would be for "completest" only. What I think should be on a future compilation like the one I'm suggesting are good, full songs. Songs like Lindiana (which I did list) or a song like Loveliest Thing which wasn't on the list. Maybe each disc (per decade) should have 5 or 6 or these songs on top of the best "deeper" album cuts that are not on Pure McCartney). Than you would have something for the true fans. Not the big hits that are redundant on Paul's greatest hits' collections but great deeper cuts like House of Wax, Single Pigeon etc. There are many hard core fans (like me and many on this site) that would buy a compilation like this (with even more unreleased, rare songs etc) in a heartbeat. I didn't buy Pure McCartney because it didn't have any unreleased, rare songs etc. And it had many songs that I have heard so often that the playlist (as Paul's company described) didn't excite me to own. But to have one disc (for a specific decade) that would contain the best of the deepest album cuts plus with "new for many fans" unreleased songs, b-sides, rare live etc. would be very viable for true Macca fans. That would be the primary audience. Then if it was marketed as something new (including unreleased songs, non album tracks etc.) you would slowly get the casual fan. Unfortunately, Pure McCartney wasn't well conceived in my opinion.
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Bernie, I love ya, but if you're going to write a word that many times, please spell it correctly: completist https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/completist
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Nancy R:
Bernie, I love ya, but if you're going to write a word that many times, please spell it correctly: completist https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/completist
____________________________________________________ Nancy, And to think, I just edited my post and still screwed up the spelling. To also think that I went to Catholic grade school (too many years ago) where I had the nuns. They were typically very strong in English, Spelling and Writing. Sadly, probably all of them are gone at this point. They would be rolling over in their graves with some of my spelling. Thanks again for setting me straight as the Irish would say.
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
Bernie, I love ya, but if you're going to write a word that many times, please spell it correctly: completist https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/completist
____________________________________________________ Nancy, And to think, I just edited my post and still screwed up the spelling. To also think that I went to Catholic grade school (too many years ago) where I had the nuns. They were typically very strong in English, Spelling and Writing. Sadly, probably all of them are gone at this point. They would be rolling over in their graves with some of my spelling. Thanks again for setting me straight as the Irish would say.
And thanks for being so gracious about it!
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B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Who is this for? Die hard fans already have the albums. Are casual listeners going to buy a 100 song compilation?
Just to clarify... My main point in this thread was to prove how good and underrated Paul's Post Beatles' career has been. You could take a new "By Decade" compilaton of close to 100 songs (and not include the 2010 to now period because the decade is not finished) and have a set that is just as good of quality as Pure McCartney. My final example only has 3 duplicated songs from "Pure" and they are different versions.
I think we all agree with the good and underrated part. My question is, who would buy this if it were real?
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B J Conlee:
Nancy, And to think, I just edited my post and still screwed up the spelling. To also think that I went to Catholic grade school (too many years ago) where I had the nuns. They were typically very strong in English, Spelling and Writing. Sadly, probably all of them are gone at this point. They would be rolling over in their graves with some of my spelling. Thanks again for setting me straight as the Irish would say.
The nuns probably should have pointed out that the EST suffix is generally for superlatives - biggest, hardest, deepest, and IST is for people - dentist, bigamist, anarchist.
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HaileyMcComet:
B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Who is this for? Die hard fans already have the albums. Are casual listeners going to buy a 100 song compilation?
Just to clarify... My main point in this thread was to prove how good and underrated Paul's Post Beatles' career has been. You could take a new "By Decade" compilaton of close to 100 songs (and not include the 2010 to now period because the decade is not finished) and have a set that is just as good of quality as Pure McCartney. My final example only has 3 duplicated songs from "Pure" and they are different versions.
I think we all agree with the good and underrated part. My question is, who would buy this if it were real?
Outside of BJ and me, not sure - lol. If it was ever done, they should create a limited amount so it would be more or less a collectors item. I believe this was done for CHOBA B CCCP in the very beginning and later due to sales it was sold world wide.
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yankeefan7:
HaileyMcComet:
B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Who is this for? Die hard fans already have the albums. Are casual listeners going to buy a 100 song compilation?
Just to clarify... My main point in this thread was to prove how good and underrated Paul's Post Beatles' career has been. You could take a new "By Decade" compilaton of close to 100 songs (and not include the 2010 to now period because the decade is not finished) and have a set that is just as good of quality as Pure McCartney. My final example only has 3 duplicated songs from "Pure" and they are different versions.
I think we all agree with the good and underrated part. My question is, who would buy this if it were real?
Outside of BJ and me, not sure - lol. If it was ever done, they should create a limited amount so it would be more or less a collectors item. I believe this was done for CHOBA B CCCP in the very beginning and later due to sales it was sold world wide.
___________________________________________________________ Hailey, To answer your question...who would buy a compilation like this if it was real. If it was done correctly...with each disc containing 4 or 5 rare (unreleased, B-sides not on albums, special "live" recordings, demos) for the specific decade coupled with the best of the deepest album tracks that are not on Pure McCartney...the answer would be: Macca fans who really like his music but don't necessarily have all his albums. This would be a pretty wide audience. For fans like Yankeefan and me, just the rare tracks on each disc alone would have us buying it. It would be like "new Macca music" to this audience who are "real" buyers (not just impulse buyers). The primary audience for Pure McCartney was casual fans (e. g. many of those attending his shows but really don't know his Solo music very much) who wanted a Greatest Hits package. I never bought "Pure" as I said because I already have most of the songs. But what I'm talking about are discs that include rare songs that should/will become available at some point. Something like this might come out in 3-5 years I would guess or at least until this current decade is over.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
HaileyMcComet:
B J Conlee:
HaileyMcComet:
Who is this for? Die hard fans already have the albums. Are casual listeners going to buy a 100 song compilation?
Just to clarify... My main point in this thread was to prove how good and underrated Paul's Post Beatles' career has been. You could take a new "By Decade" compilaton of close to 100 songs (and not include the 2010 to now period because the decade is not finished) and have a set that is just as good of quality as Pure McCartney. My final example only has 3 duplicated songs from "Pure" and they are different versions.
I think we all agree with the good and underrated part. My question is, who would buy this if it were real?
Outside of BJ and me, not sure - lol. If it was ever done, they should create a limited amount so it would be more or less a collectors item. I believe this was done for CHOBA B CCCP in the very beginning and later due to sales it was sold world wide.
___________________________________________________________ Hailey, To answer your question...who would buy a compilation like this if it was real. If it was done correctly...with each disc containing 4 or 5 rare (unreleased, B-sides not on albums, special "live" recordings, demos) for the specific decade coupled with the best of the deepest album tracks that are not on Pure McCartney...the answer would be: Macca fans who really like his music but don't necessarily have all his albums. This would be a pretty wide audience. For fans like Yankeefan and me, just the rare tracks on each disc alone would have us buying it. It would be like "new Macca music" to this audience who are "real" buyers (not just impulse buyers). The primary audience for Pure McCartney was casual fans (e. g. many of those attending his shows but really don't know his Solo music very much) who wanted a Greatest Hits package. I never bought "Pure" as I said because I already have most of the songs. But what I'm talking about are discs that include rare songs that should/will become available at some point. Something like this might come out in 3-5 years I would guess or at least until this current decade is over.
"For fans like Yankeefan and me, just the rare tracks on each disc alone would have us buying it. It would be like "new Macca music" to this audience who are "real" buyers (not just impulse buyers). " Exactly. The B sides, live versions and demo's would make it worth buying for me.
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If there's ever a 100 song collection with 1 or 2 tracks I don't have, I'll just download those from Youtube.
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NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
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efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Please, tell us how you really feel! (Totally agree!)
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efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Understood but I believe BJ started this thread partly due to his frustration with the songs on "Pure McCartney" and I agree with him. Yes, I would love to be "talking" about his new album but nobody seems to have any idea when it will come out or if it is even finished.
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yankeefan7:
efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Understood but I believe BJ started this thread partly due to his frustration with the songs on "Pure McCartney" and I agree with him. Yes, I would love to be "talking" about his new album but nobody seems to have any idea when it will come out or if it is even finished.
____________________________________________________________ Yankeefan, You're exactly right. My initial response to this thread (and a better compilation) was my frustration with "Pure McCartney". It was designed for very casual fans and for that reason it made some sense. Still there were a number of selections that were strange to me especially if you wanted a greatest "songs" tracklist. There were probably a dozen Macca Post Beatles songs that I personally would have in my top 30 Paul songs that were inexplicably absent. I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans. Personally, I would love a 40 track CD set (probably 2 CD's) with just good completed unreleased songs, B-sides, rare live etc. Then you would have a great set of songs not on the proper studio CD's that fans already own. I would be first in line with a "finished" set like that. I think I included over 20 of these type songs in my proposed sets here. And I was just going off the top of my head. I'm sure MPL or whoever would have a great 2 CD Set.
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B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Understood but I believe BJ started this thread partly due to his frustration with the songs on "Pure McCartney" and I agree with him. Yes, I would love to be "talking" about his new album but nobody seems to have any idea when it will come out or if it is even finished.
____________________________________________________________ Yankeefan, You're exactly right. My initial response to this thread (and a better compilation) was my frustration with "Pure McCartney". It was designed for very casual fans and for that reason it made some sense. Still there were a number of selections that were strange to me especially if you wanted a greatest "songs" tracklist. There were probably a dozen Macca Post Beatles songs that I personally would have in my top 30 Paul songs that were inexplicably absent. I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans. Personally, I would love a 40 track CD set (probably 2 CD's) with just good completed unreleased songs, B-sides, rare live etc. Then you would have a great set of songs not on the proper studio CD's that fans already own. I would be first in line with a "finished" set like that. I think I included over 20 of these type songs in my proposed sets here. And I was just going off the top of my head. I'm sure MPL or whoever would have a great 2 CD Set.
"I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans" Have many old CD's but now everything is on my IPOD and I can plug that into the car to listen to when I am driving somewhere.
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yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Understood but I believe BJ started this thread partly due to his frustration with the songs on "Pure McCartney" and I agree with him. Yes, I would love to be "talking" about his new album but nobody seems to have any idea when it will come out or if it is even finished.
____________________________________________________________ Yankeefan, You're exactly right. My initial response to this thread (and a better compilation) was my frustration with "Pure McCartney". It was designed for very casual fans and for that reason it made some sense. Still there were a number of selections that were strange to me especially if you wanted a greatest "songs" tracklist. There were probably a dozen Macca Post Beatles songs that I personally would have in my top 30 Paul songs that were inexplicably absent. I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans. Personally, I would love a 40 track CD set (probably 2 CD's) with just good completed unreleased songs, B-sides, rare live etc. Then you would have a great set of songs not on the proper studio CD's that fans already own. I would be first in line with a "finished" set like that. I think I included over 20 of these type songs in my proposed sets here. And I was just going off the top of my head. I'm sure MPL or whoever would have a great 2 CD Set.
"I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans" Have many old CD's but now everything is on my IPOD and I can plug that into the car to listen to when I am driving somewhere.
I think you're a tad younger than me and BJ. We still like CDs! I've never even owned an iPod! ops:
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Nancy R:
yankeefan7:
B J Conlee:
yankeefan7:
efegarcia:
NO MORE COMPILATIONS...????????..please
Understood but I believe BJ started this thread partly due to his frustration with the songs on "Pure McCartney" and I agree with him. Yes, I would love to be "talking" about his new album but nobody seems to have any idea when it will come out or if it is even finished.
____________________________________________________________ Yankeefan, You're exactly right. My initial response to this thread (and a better compilation) was my frustration with "Pure McCartney". It was designed for very casual fans and for that reason it made some sense. Still there were a number of selections that were strange to me especially if you wanted a greatest "songs" tracklist. There were probably a dozen Macca Post Beatles songs that I personally would have in my top 30 Paul songs that were inexplicably absent. I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans. Personally, I would love a 40 track CD set (probably 2 CD's) with just good completed unreleased songs, B-sides, rare live etc. Then you would have a great set of songs not on the proper studio CD's that fans already own. I would be first in line with a "finished" set like that. I think I included over 20 of these type songs in my proposed sets here. And I was just going off the top of my head. I'm sure MPL or whoever would have a great 2 CD Set.
"I realize that for some people that are much more adroit with technology than I, doing another compilation makes little sense. After all, you can make your own playlists. For me, I buy CD's primarily for my car so I would like a better compilation for the real fans" Have many old CD's but now everything is on my IPOD and I can plug that into the car to listen to when I am driving somewhere.
I think you're a tad younger than me and BJ. We still like CDs! I've never even owned an iPod! ops:
You should try IPOD Nancy, really good when you are on cruise and lying down on a deck chair for example.