The ..2012.... Political thread
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I certainly cannot speak for all americans. However, I have no wish nor desire to "be like europeans". Sorry, no......I do not agree that europe is in a "better position" than ourselves, simply because their governments provide health care to their citizens. Their governments do so because they do not provide for their citizens defense....no need to because they have US to do that Our forefathers didn't agree either...otherwise, we all would not be in the US in the first place.
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I certainly cannot speak for all americans. ^^^since you most likely voted republican...probably not! However, I have no wish nor desire to "be like europeans". ^^^When did your european ancestors come to america?...and did they come through ellis island? Sorry, no......I do not agree that europe is in a "better position" than ourselves, simply because their governments provide health care to their citizens. Their governments do so because they do not provide for their citizens defense....no need to because they have US to do that ^^^If we had better healthcare...we probably wouldn't have so much war? Our forefathers didn't agree either...otherwise, we all would not be in the US in the first place. ^^^Who was in the US to begin with?
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...........and i am sure i dont want be like most americans
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SurSteven:
I certainly cannot speak for all americans. ^^^since you most likely voted republican...probably not! Truth be told, I didn't....but being closed minded that apparently didn't cross your mind. However, I have no wish nor desire to "be like europeans". ^^^When did your european ancestors come to america?...and did they come through ellis island? Your question makes no sense......our ancestors came to this country because they no longer wished to live in europe and sought a better life with religious freedoms......perhaps you should review grade school history again. :wink: ps: my ancestors did not come from europe. Sorry, no......I do not agree that europe is in a "better position" than ourselves, simply because their governments provide health care to their citizens. Their governments do so because they do not provide for their citizens defense....no need to because they have US to do that ^^^If we had better healthcare...we probably wouldn't have so much war? Nonsenical statement.... apparently you didn't comprehend the statement....let me restate it: if the US did not have to provide for the defense of europe because they are allies (several times I might add) funds would be available for US citizens for whatever priority is necessary. Our forefathers didn't agree either...otherwise, we all would not be in the US in the first place. ^^^Who was in the US to begin with?
Again, your response makes absolutely no sense
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moggy:
...........and i am sure i dont want be like most americans
Good....next time you lot get into trouble, we'll consider not throwing you a rope
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jaipur:
moggy:
...........and i am sure i dont want be like most americans
Good....next time you lot get into trouble, we'll consider not throwing you a rope
We are normally in trouble BECAUSE of you these days
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Andy_Shofar:
Micahel Moore became exceeding rich because he is truly a succesful, capitalist in a liberal disguise. Free movie tickets, free popcorn at the theatres showing his movies ... Free dvd's of all his movies (or sold at cost only - no profit - cause that's capitalism) Yea, sure *ell will freeze over first
That true if we were a capitalistic society. Coming from the "Now Right" that think their Republican because their bosses are and paying off lobbyist to pay off politician, to make unfair deal's in whatever business there in and get unfair advantage to contracts over the other guy and the whole time their screaming capitalism when it not capitalism at all but a rig game that only inside get to play and there employee's bragging because they got this great jobs working for someone else, where you have no risk. They don't have to worry about health care,work for peanuts while ytheir bosses gets rich off them and by cheating the sytem.. They hirie sheep worker who go to church and are told what to think then go to work for a company who tells them what life style they will be and and who to vote for. Bottom line is today Rep party are a bunch of worker bee's doing fucked jobs that would drive a normal person insane but they do it for health care and security and to pay theIr mortgage of theIr shit boxes thouse they live in a mass development in a crowed city where they work 8-5 day in and day out to drive their ford focus or whatever car they bought though a coupon or a give away or whatever miserable peanuts thrown to the peasants. They take there 2 week vacation to Disneyland or Vegas because they got a deal on that coupon, than back to the rat race until they count the minutes they make retirement but fuck who guessed the company would screw them or the guy they met at church who agreed to invest there retirement in a 20% return that sounded too good to be true but you know they heard this guys was good so they gave them all there money but who guessed they lose everything in 12 months and now have to work another 10 years to get to where they were but they got health care by god so to hell with the rest who don't. When I was a Rep we were a group of self made people, who owned nice homes in nice area and paid are help and didn't screw each other had a rule book that you played by and it wasn't a all about me rule book. You made money but took ...RISK!!!.. Another words we made money but could of lost it just as easy unlike Homer who works for a big company and put his 8 hours in. and screams how dare anyone think sick people should get free health care. They should have to work for this miserable company like I did. Micheal Moore movie could of just as well bombed and all the money he personally put up could of been up in smoke. He made a movie and competed with the like's of Jennifer Body or some other mindless movie. Maybe you should go see it before you judge it. I love all the Rep who say I'd never see a MM movie.. Why because your boss or church or Fox news your god, says so...
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moggy:
jaipur:
moggy:
...........and i am sure i dont want be like most americans
Good....next time you lot get into trouble, we'll consider not throwing you a rope
We are normally in trouble BECAUSE of you these days
Let's see....WWI and WWII....americans had no desire to get into....we got into trouble BECAUSE of you then. Where would you be today?? just curious, mind you.
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well over half of all the people on earth fought against hitler
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How many of them got the UK the supplies they needed in order to survive the blitz as they were the last ones standing??
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I think the phrase CURRENT politics may be of use here. The second world war and the invasion of Iraq (thereby increasing the threat of terrorism ), and generally throwing your weight about are two totally different things. The Nazis were a evil party who wanted world domination , and kill anyone who was different. ( Jews, gays, disabled , travellers , people with different opions ect) It was morally just to stop them. What the US ( and UK ) have been doing since the end of WW 2 is become the aggresor and the trouble maker in many cases. WW2 was about keeping our freedoms.......freedoms recent Governments now want to take away. I cant believe we had to pay the US for joining in WW2 up until recently. I thought you joined in a war because it was morally right.
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moggy:
I think the phrase CURRENT politics may be of use here. The second world war and the invasion of Iraq (thereby increasing the threat of terrorism ), and generally throwing your weight about are two totally different things. The Nazis were a evil party who wanted world domination , and kill anyone who was different. ( Jews, gays, disabled , travellers , people with different opions ect) It was morally just to stop them. What the US ( and UK ) have been doing since the end of WW 2 is become the aggresor and the trouble maker in many cases. WW2 was about keeping our freedoms.......freedoms recent Governments now want to take away. I cant believe we had to pay the US for joining in WW2 up until recently. I thought you joined in a war because it was morally right.
No, because Europe couldn't solve the issue by itself. The US before Pearl Harbor had no desire to do so. Al qaeda isn't evil in your mind?? Explain that one, if you would please...keeping in mind there are three under arrest here for plotting to blow up transit systems in NYC....sound familiar??
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moggy:
I think the phrase CURRENT politics may be of use here. The second world war and the invasion of Iraq (thereby increasing the threat of terrorism ), and generally throwing your weight about are two totally different things. The Nazis were a evil party who wanted world domination , and kill anyone who was different. ( Jews, gays, disabled , travellers , people with different opions ect) It was morally just to stop them. What the US ( and UK ) have been doing since the end of WW 2 is become the aggresor and the trouble maker in many cases. WW2 was about keeping our freedoms.......freedoms recent Governments now want to take away. I cant believe we had to pay the US for joining in WW2 up until recently. I thought you joined in a war because it was morally right. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No, because Europe couldn't solve the issue by itself. The US before Pearl Harbor had no desire to do so.
Our President at that time promised voters to keep our Nation out of the Eurpean war - before the Pearl Harbor attack, the majority of Americans wanted no part of a war with nazi Germany.
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jaipur:
moggy:
I think the phrase CURRENT politics may be of use here. The second world war and the invasion of Iraq (thereby increasing the threat of terrorism ), and generally throwing your weight about are two totally different things. The Nazis were a evil party who wanted world domination , and kill anyone who was different. ( Jews, gays, disabled , travellers , people with different opions ect) It was morally just to stop them. What the US ( and UK ) have been doing since the end of WW 2 is become the aggresor and the trouble maker in many cases. WW2 was about keeping our freedoms.......freedoms recent Governments now want to take away. I cant believe we had to pay the US for joining in WW2 up until recently. I thought you joined in a war because it was morally right.
No, because Europe couldn't solve the issue by itself. The US before Pearl Harbor had no desire to do so. Al qaeda isn't evil in your mind?? Explain that one, if you would please...keeping in mind there are three under arrest here for plotting to blow up transit systems in NYC....sound familiar??
Yes of course they are evil....but why do they hate us so much? Its obvious to me. ( killing a further million innocent people will certainly help stop any new terrorists being brainwashed wont it ?)
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Extremely disappointed in Vaclav Klaus!
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I post this without comment as it speaks for itself!
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anna_medlicka:
Extremely disappointed in Vaclav Klaus!
I admire him a lot for calling out the "global warming" hucksters. He is a refreshing voice of reason.
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anna_medlicka:
I post this without comment as it speaks for itself!
I guess/hope the rest is coming on later!I have watched it today....anyone who votes for him is thick....which is clearly part of the problem here. One thing i said before the show came on....and the racist did mention it.....Jack Straw is giving it large , yet his party have killed nearly a million innocent Muslims in Iraq. They have also helped instill in the thickoes heads that Muslims are not to be trusted. Straw also brought up , about banning the veil. I hate griffen and all he stands for but i think straw is a hypocrite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_debate_over_veils I was more impressed with the two ladies on the pannel ...they both talked sense, and straight to the point [/img]
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moggy:
anna_medlicka:
I post this without comment as it speaks for itself!
I guess/hope the rest is coming on later!I have watched it today....anyone who votes for him is thick....which is clearly part of the problem here. One thing i said before the show came on....and the racist did mention it.....Jack Straw is giving it large , yet his party have killed nearly a million innocent Muslims in Iraq. They have also helped instill in the thickoes heads that Muslims are not to be trusted. Straw also brought up , about banning the veil. I hate griffen and all he stands for but i think straw is a hypocrite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_debate_over_veils I was more impressed with the two ladies on the pannel ...they both talked sense, and straight to the point [/img]
That's true! I have to admit I'm not too familiar with the every day politics in GB or this particular TV format (I went looking for it on youtube because it went through the media how terrible it was with Griffin)! Anyway, what really impressed me when I compare it with a similar format and the politicans in my country, I was actually amazed how well they are expressing themselves (except Griffin)! Whether I agree with what they were saying or not, they were making a point and they tried to get it across and they were actually forming straight sentences! Our politicans aren't even able to do that!
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anna_medlicka:
moggy:
anna_medlicka:
I post this without comment as it speaks for itself!
I guess/hope the rest is coming on later!I have watched it today....anyone who votes for him is thick....which is clearly part of the problem here. One thing i said before the show came on....and the racist did mention it.....Jack Straw is giving it large , yet his party have killed nearly a million innocent Muslims in Iraq. They have also helped instill in the thickoes heads that Muslims are not to be trusted. Straw also brought up , about banning the veil. I hate griffen and all he stands for but i think straw is a hypocrite. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom_debate_over_veils I was more impressed with the two ladies on the pannel ...they both talked sense, and straight to the point [/img]
That's true! I have to admit I'm not too familiar with the every day politics in GB or this particular TV format (I went looking for it on youtube because it went through the media how terrible it was with Griffin)! Anyway, what really impressed me when I compare it with a similar format and the politicans in my country, I was actually amazed how well they are expressing themselves (except Griffin)! Whether I agree with what they were saying or not, they were making a point and they tried to get it across and they were actually forming straight sentences! Our politicans aren't even able to do that!
Wait untill jacqui smith comes on next weeks ops: She can talk all day ...WITHOUT actually saying anything I see the queens not happy at the bnp saying it would be the party for Churchill if he was alive. IT IS a disgraceful slur on the great man , and goes against everything he stood for in the fight against facsism. I couldnt help wondering if the bnp was the party for the queens husband to join : Mind you philips not racist : hes a 'colourful eccentric' and ' a character'.....anyone else would be a racist bigot :