Paul being hated
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boy I miss everything.
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sir paul's talents are unquestionable. yes, he wrote "silly love songs," so what? i enjoy listening to it. writing serious or profound songs isn't always a good thing. sometimes you have to write light/happy songs.
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Nancy R:
Paulfan:
When John was alive was he as respected as he is now or did he get the same treatment Paul gets now? I was too young when he was alive to remember.
John was always the bad boy ever since the "Beatles are bigger than Jesus" remark in '66. I think the press and some DJ's vilified him over that and the Yoko/Bed-Ins/Peace stuff more than the fans. Our parents probably mostly thought he was nuts, but the young people (me included) thought he was so cool and followed his every move. Now mind you, I wasn't crazy about Yoko back then (still really don't care for her) but since John apparently loved her, I guess I tolerated her. But I digress. Was he respected? Not the same as he is now since he was tragically murdered. Some people act like he was bigger than Jesus! But we all know they were!
I wonder if his solo music was ever vilified though? It does seem like in death people become larger than life. look at Michael Jackson who before he died was accused of child molestation and called Wacko Jacko and when he died everyone started loving him again. I am not a Yoko fan either but I don't blame her for the way John was. John himself didn't like alot of the Beatles music including his own. Did the Beatles fans and others start not liking him as much as they Paul? I have heard that the older generation didn't like the Beatles because of the their long hair. I wasn't alive back then so I know just what I heard. A friend of mine has told me his dad thought the Beatles were long haired bums. I told my friend that the Beatles are our long haired bums. I don't think either one of them would have been as great on their own. Without John Paul maybe have beomce like Billy Joel or Elton Johna nd Without Paul John maybe have been seens as a troublemaker. Thank Goodnes for both John and Paul!
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No, I think no matter what John said or did, he still had millions of fans (before his death) But some of his solo (early) stuff wasn't really liked, such as his Sometime In New York City album and his wacky experimental stuff with Yoko of course (Two Virgins, Life With The Lions) Funny thing is, I have it all! Even his Wedding Album album!
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personally i don't even know why we are even having this discussion, but whatever i will keep any further opinions that i might have to myself, since it will cause trouble in the end. carry on.
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maclover2013:
i will keep any further opinions that i might have to myself, since it will cause trouble in the end. carry on.
nah don't do that, its all good. I understood where you were coming from. I think the obvious point is though that anyone who thinks Paul is unskilled lyrically, or is a 'sissy' for any reason, just doesn't know what is up at all. I personally don't see how anyone could not like Paul's music, but thats just me. not liking Paul is ludicris!
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MaccaLover2013 this thread wasn't meant to start any trouble. I started this thread because of stuff I've heard from other people. One member got nasty on here and wanted this thread deleted and asked me why i call myself Paulfan. The moderators had to do something because they don't want members to attack each other.
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Paulfan:
MaccaLover2013 this thread wasn't meant to start any trouble. I started this thread because of stuff I've heard from other people. One member got nasty on here and wanted this thread deleted and asked me why i call myself Paulfan. The moderators had to do something because they don't want members to attack each other.
okay whatever I am not the thread police do and say what you want. don't let me stop you. you don't owe me any explanations. I have no say nor control in what people say or think around here. it is what it is. sorry I even said anything in the first place.
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maclover2013:
Paulfan:
MaccaLover2013 this thread wasn't meant to start any trouble. I started this thread because of stuff I've heard from other people. One member got nasty on here and wanted this thread deleted and asked me why i call myself Paulfan. The moderators had to do something because they don't want members to attack each other.
okay whatever I am not the thread police do and say what you want. don't let me stop you. you don't owe me any explanations. I have no say nor control in what people say or think around here. it is what it is. sorry I even said anything in the first place.
IT wasn't you MaccaLover 2013. This thread got modified bcaue of personal attacks you didn't say anything that offended me.
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I'm sorry if you thought it was you MaccaLover2013. IT wasn't you. I do feel that Paul has gotten the sort end of the stick from critics and even Beatles fans alike and John has been elevated. John deserves all the respect eht gets but I don't feel that they need to put Paul down to elevate John. I apologize if you think I misunderstood you.
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The 'guilty party' had all their posts in this thread removed so subsequently follow up posts by other posters now appear to be refering to posts other than was actually intended......if that makes sense?
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I think Paul has always been bigger than any of them. My opinion.
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It wasn't me who "personally attacked" although it might look that way, because of my post. Oh well no biggie. The kid didn't mean any offense by writing that negative stuff others had said about P.M., he was just trying to find out things.
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I've said it many times in the past: Most Paul-"dissers"/John-praisers talk crap only because they think it is the cool thing to do. Most of them are wholly ignorant of the facts. Same thing with the morons who keep repeating the lie that Elvis calculatedly "stole rock & roll music from black people." Again, these folks haven't bothered to check the facts because they believe that making these claims pleases people in their circle.
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Paulfan:
I do feel that Paul has gotten the sort end of the stick from critics and even Beatles fans alike and John has been elevated. John deserves all the respect eht gets but I don't feel that they need to put Paul down to elevate John.
I've noticed this too. Not only that, it has become "fashionable" to call him the third best beatle by being a bit of a hipster and saying George was better, too. That's simply not true. George was awesome in a lot of ways but...
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audi:
I've said it many times in the past: Most Paul-"dissers"/John-praisers talk crap only because they think it is the cool thing to do. Most of them are wholly ignorant of the facts. Same thing with the morons who keep repeating the lie that Elvis calculatedly "stole rock & roll music from black people." Again, these folks haven't bothered to check the facts because they believe that making these claims pleases people in their circle.
Thank you! All musicians influence each other if they are listening to each other's music and digging it.
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I doubt it keeps Paul up at night that some people don't care for him at the moment. When he dies those same people will be all over him anyway. I'd much rather have one of my two favourite singer/songwriters still releasing music in exchange for being seen as an embarrassing uncle instead of being cool and perhaps liked more but dead for the last 33 years.
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I was just reading on Jorie Gracen's website that Paul had a pep talk with John a long time ago and John said he wondered how people would feel about him when he died and Paul said you're crazy ,you won't care because number one you will be dead and number two you've done a fantastic job meaning John's work with the Beatles. I just found this out now so it does seem that regardless whether John had us believe he didn't care what people think I believe he really did in a way,I'm sure everybody does as Paul said in that article it is a human thing. Paul himself says he tries not to read reviews in that interview because he will have to do something better and he feels the same way and is actually quite surprised by what people think of him. I think they were all great for me I say Paul had the best voice,John the best lyrics,George I'm glad he made Indian music popular to the western culture and Ringo for the drums. Without each other they wouldn't have been as great as they became.
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MaccaBeatles:
I doubt it keeps Paul up at night...
I'm with ya on that one
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Fan4-45years:
MaccaBeatles:
I doubt it keeps Paul up at night...
I'm with ya on that one
If it does, I'm sure Nancy will find something else to occupy his mind (and body)!