MEAT EATERS-SHAME ON YOU
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what was stated was what was responded to. so choose your side. you're either for the sake of the animals or not. don't ask me about 'veggie-conversion rate'. ask yourself (and this applies to whomever else may still be eating animals) why you are still eating animals/consuming dairy in the face of all the facts, apart from the (should be) obvious evil of it.
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Your points are valid. But your obnoxiousness is not helping the cause.
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audi:
Your points are valid. But your obnoxiousness is not helping the cause.
don't mistake DIRECTNESS with OBNOXIOUSNESS what is OBNOXIOUS is the idea that animals are just existing to be killed and eaten. if i speak out openly and directly against such erroneous statements, that doesn't make me OBNOXIOUS. people just don't like hearing the facts when it comes to this issue, but don't be confused, i am in no way obnoxious. it is your (plural your) reaction to being faced directly with the kind of responses that you never expected on behalf of the animals. check yourselves. => and even if my responses on the matter, the real issue are not 'sugar-coated' enough (why should they be anyway? animals are being abused and killed every second due to animal-eaters' funding, think about that), what then about the words, videos, songs, activism of The Man himself, Sir Paul? surely his efforts are superior to mine, so why aren't you all listening to HIM? what's your excuse regarding not listening what he keeps saying on this issue? what's the excuse now? Sir Paul has been saying the same. why aren't you all who idolize and love him not listening and following what he has appealed for us to do for the sake of the animals??
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rahil, I'm sorry that I called you a troll. It's just your agressivness towards me and how you insulted me with saying "its a shame you're even on paul's site and fourm" made me think of you that way. You can't expect everyone to be vegans, Paul respects ALL of his fans. The way you describe him is not the Paul McCartney I've loved and admired.
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MJBeatle:
rahil, I'm sorry that I called you a troll. It's just your agressivness towards me
aggressiveness? you are mistaking direct responses to what you said/asked with aggressiveness. that's sad. you bypass all that was actually said and responded to to all you stated, firmly and clearly. and you do not even respond to THOSE THINGS which i in turn posed to you/asked you ON TOPIC. so you are the troll if anyone. maybe you aren't accustomed to being responded to directly, especially on such an important matter as animals' lives and right to be not murdered, so you may find this directness 'aggressive', but what is actually aggressive is the killing that is going on every second while you want to argue 'mood' on here to a serious topic of innocent lives being stolen.
MJBeatle:
and how you insulted me with saying "its a shame you're even on paul's site and fourm" made me think of you that way.
you're the one who openly question MY being on here. don't mix up your facts miss. the evidence is there on the posts. i responded to you as necessary thereafter. but yes, it is a shame that you claim to be so in love with Sir Paul yet ignore one of his main examples and appeals to the world - stop killing and eating the animals. this part of the forum and this thread is for those things. so if you come on this forum section then expect direct response to saying such things which attempt to make light of/justify killing animals to eat them. i am well within my right to strongly defend them. you're looking at that and again conveniently bypassing ALL ELSE that was stated and responded to. like i said earlier, even if my responses are not SUGAR-COATED enough for you/whomever, it is the facts on a dire situation which you made erroneous statements about. no animals deserve to be killed to be eaten. you were wrong with all you said about animals and eating them. i set you straight directly to all you stated. so even if my words were not SUGAR-COATED enough (why should they be anyway?), why are you ignoring SIR PAUL on this matter? you (and all others who still eat animals) who say they are lovers and idolizers and fans of Sir Paul, what EXCUSE is there still to not listen to HIM then? if my words aren't SWEET enough for you, then why are you IGNORING the same words of SIR PAUL? he also sings, says, preaches in videos to stop killing and eating the animals. so why aren't you listening to him then? what's the excuse regarding him? you were asked this earlier (among other things since yesterday) which you never addressed. yet you conveniently come with this 'aggressive' talk while straying from the topic. stop eating the animals. can't you understand that? Sir Paul, who you so love, is asking you that. not me, not me with my direct approach here on this thread (on which i am rightfully posting all this), but Sir Paul himself. why aren't you listening to him?
MJBeatle:
You can't expect everyone to be vegans, Paul respects ALL of his fans.
and like i said earlier, THAT is not what was being discussed. stick to topic. you all got this escape ticket suddenly about 'respect fans' while evading the real issue. i never put into dispute Sir Paul's 'respect' for anyone. THAT was not on the line here. as i responded to audi also with a similar evasion tactic earlier "THAT was not the issue being debated here. this issue is not about Sir Paul himself but about the ANIMALS. there have been certain statements made on this thread by mjbeatle about ANIMALS which were the statements being dealt with in my responses. Sir Paul came up as a major Reference on this campaign to stop animals being murdered and eaten, but the topic here remains about those heinous activities and not about tangential statements made by mjbeatle in response to the facts that i stated to defend animals. just because Sir Paul may 'accept' that people will still do what they want doesn't mean that he tries any less to bring about changes via all he does on this issue. " maybe you didn't read it. but if you keep ignoring my responses then, you are the one who is being a troll, posting on a thread in a constantly off-topic manner.. you saw him in the video appealing to everyone. i never portrayed anyone in any way. i posted his video and i let him portray himself. so i don't know what you're going on about. my own words i posted ARE MY WORDS, on the same topic, yes, but it is about the same facts and same conclusion - stop killing and eating the animals. Sir Paul is saying the same thing. listen to what the man says - Sir Paul says stop eating the animals. what's your excuse?
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Paul's comments on vegetarianism have had a much larger impact on me. And I don't recall him ever being condescending or combative.
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audi:
Paul's comments on vegetarianism have had a much larger impact on me. And I don't recall him ever being condescending or combative.
again, selective blindness to what is being said 'combative' is how you see it in response to what is being posted by mjbeatle and you. the content of the response is only directly-related to what is stated and responded to. again - => and even if my responses on the matter, the real issue are not 'sugar-coated' enough (why should they be anyway? animals are being abused and killed every second due to animal-eaters' funding, think about that), what then about the words, videos, songs, activism of The Man himself, Sir Paul? surely his efforts are superior to mine, so why aren't you all listening to HIM? what's your excuse regarding not listening what he keeps saying on this issue? what's the excuse now? you already sidetracked again with that about Paul but you aren't listening to his words, or you'd be standing up here for the animals and not over semantics or mood of my words portraying the same message. you'd be also responding to mjbeatle about her words about eating animals. so i ask ====>after you say about Paul again, are you audi, a vegan by now? if not, why not? and i already said "THAT was not the issue being debated here. this issue is not about Sir Paul himself but about the ANIMALS. there have been certain statements made on this thread by mjbeatle about ANIMALS which were the statements being dealt with in my responses. Sir Paul came up as a major Reference on this campaign to stop animals being murdered and eaten, but the topic here remains about those heinous activities and not about tangential statements made by mjbeatle in response to the facts that i stated to defend animals. just because Sir Paul may 'accept' that people will still do what they want doesn't mean that he tries any less to bring about changes via all he does on this issue. " maybe you didn't read it.
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I believe animals should be treated humanely, Even if they are going to get eaten. I have an idea, watch the movie about Temple Grandin. She's autistic like me and she completly understands and loves animals just like you and I do. She believes animals should be treated humanely before they get slaughterd. She is a PETA hero http://prime.peta.org/2010/02/temple-grandin-helping-the-animals-we-cant-save. The movie about her is very good, I hope you'll like it . Remember I respect that you're a vegan. Let's just be friends and put all this fighting behind us, okay.
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MJBeatle:
I believe animals should be treated humanely, Even if they are going to get eaten.
that's a complete oxymoron. being murdered is the ultimate act of not being treated 'humanely'. what good is it that one is 'treated humanely' and then have one's throat cut? makes no sense at all. stop the killing instead, then that would be a sensible statement to make. there is no need to kill and eat animals. there is nothing humane or acceptable about the murder of animals for any purpose. you keep avoiding answering my repeated question - why do you still continue to eat animals against all good sense, information and appeal including that of SIR PAUL himself? why aren't you all listening to HIM? what's your excuse regarding not listening what he keeps saying on this issue? what's the excuse?
MJBeatle:
I have an idea, watch the movie about Temple Grandin.
i have a better idea, watch 'your beloved' Sir Paul's videos appealing to everyone to stop eating animals. stop funding the killing of animals. the way you keep speaking it is as if you even totally IGNORE his words and videos on the matter. otherwise you'd be not stuck still eating animals and trying to avoid direct change regarding this.
MJBeatle:
She's autistic like me
um, why do you keep wearing this 'autistic' thing on your sleeve? that has nothing to do with anything here. in fact if it has anything to do with anything here, i'd expect that it would be a catalyst in you already not eating any animals. but otherwise i fail to see why you keep bringing that up, short of suspecting it is for some pity or so, which has no place in this debate, because the PITY that is being appealed for is for the animals. listen to Sir Paul and stop eating them. are you hearing?
MJBeatle:
and she completely understands and loves animals just like you and I do.
excuse me but you do not 'love animals' nor 'love animals like you and i do'. YOU eat animals. i don't. HUGE difference. you don't love animals. you (and all who eat them) pay for their murder daily. that is not love. and that is also saying that vegans and animal-eaters 'love animals the same'. that is OBVIOUSLY a nonsensical statement. that 'love' can be said about those who do not eat animals, not those who kill and eat them. being an animal-eater is not equal to being a vegan. you eating animals is in no way equal to not eating them. simple logic. you don't love animals/all animals if you eat them, any of them.
MJBeatle:
Remember I respect that you're a vegan.
this is not about ME. this is about the animals. this section of the forum is about these issues. this thread is on this issue. this is not about veg*ns earning YOUR 'respect' but about those eating animals waking up, listening to the facts, and stopping the murder and consumption of all these innocent animals. so repeating about 'respect' has nothing to do with any of this. the issue is why you continue to eat animals, why you are not vegan, when UP TO SIR PAUL is appealing to you to stop eating animals already. it is disrespectful to the animals to keep killing and eating them and to keep funding their murder. it is also disrespectful to Sir Paul who you claim to 'have a crush on since age 8' to keep disregarding HIS continued appeals (even if you ignore everything i say on this thread for the animals) to stop eating them.
MJBeatle:
Let's just be friends and put all this fighting behind us, okay.
um, my stating of facts and defending the animals here in words and in responses to your callous words about them being eaten is all i've been doing on here, and as long as you continue stating such or trying to justify such here in word, i'll respond to it to defend them and to ask you again why you keep eating them and why you keep ignoring Sir Paul's appeal to stop funding their murders.
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I think simplyrahil is just telling it like it is. Listen To What The Man Said. The Man does not want us to eat animals. It seems like a hard thing to stop doing if you do eat meat. But it really is not hard. After awhile it becomes second nature in my experience. Just ask yourself, "could I kill an animal and then prepare it for a meal?" Think about the animal, looking in its eyes and feeling its real feelings and then taking its life so you can eat the way you have known for so long. Change your habits and you can change the world. I doubt 5% of the people on this messageboard could kill an animal for meat. If everyone had to kill an animal to eat there would be alot more vegans/vegetarians out there. It is easy to pick up a prepackaged 'slab of fear,' as Linda McCartney called meat, in a grocery store. Just my 2 cents. Peace & Love!
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thank you for the message, but I was trying to say that not all meat eaters are bad people I love animals but rahil says I don't just because I eat meat. I wanted to become a vegan at one time. But I've realized how hard it will be to stop eating something that I and many people ate all along. I also don't like the way how some vegans treat people. They attack and hurt their feelings by making them feel not worthy. It is really sad. I just wish there were much better ways to treat animals. I've seen many animals get killed in very cruel ways, being crammed in small cages, not being fed properly, abused etc. If there could only be a much more humane way to treat animals, alot of vegans will stop fighting with meat eaters. That's all I was trying to say. But everyone is just spitting their hate on me and refusing to stop fighting with me. But I really appreciate how you responded to me in a kind manner.
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thank you hey_kittay for your post. yes, i am just stating it as it is. this addiction to animals' flesh is so horrid that it clouds the judgement of those who eat them into thinking that those who openly defend the animals somehow have to tip-toe about them and about the facts when they start talking about animals as 'meat' and while refuting other such statements that belittle animals' lives.
MJBeatle:
thank you for the message, but I was trying to say that not all meat eaters are bad people I love animals but rahil says I don't just because I eat meat. I wanted to become a vegan at one time. But I've realized how hard it will be to stop eating something that I and many people ate all along. I also don't like the way how some vegans treat people. They attack and hurt their feelings by making them feel not worthy. It is really sad. I just wish there were much better ways to treat animals. I've seen many animals get killed in very cruel ways, being crammed in small cages, not being fed properly, abused etc. If there could only be a much more humane way to treat animals, alot of vegans will stop fighting with meat eaters. That's all I was trying to say. But everyone is just spitting their hate on me and refusing to stop fighting with me. But I really appreciate how you responded to me in a kind manner.
mjbeatle, you are stuck on this about 'hurt' and 'hate' but you fail to accept all the HURT and HATE that you as an animal-eater is responsible for perpetuating, especially since you have not yet accepted what your beloved Sir Paul has been appealing to all to do - stop killing and eating the animals. as for 'responded in a kind manner' you do as if my direct answers to you were something different to all that hey_kittay AND Sir Paul himself has said. you keep conveniently avoiding the questions posed to you and the statements that MATTER on this issue. what do you want? sweet, fooling words as if you are a baby that one has to appease to somehow trick you into feeling 'nice' about stop eating animals? you said horrible things in the statements about animals you made about them being 'meat'. i declared the facts - it is evil to kill and eat animals, 'humane' or not. KILLING is wrong. no 2 ways about it. Sir Paul totally is against this killing and you are not listening to him, who is surely sweeter in words than me, so what is your excuse? yes, every cent you spend to eat animals' flesh is paying for their murder and i will not state anything but the fact that that is so. you cannot come on a thread like this and say things as you did and not expect those who defend animals to not step up and defend them against your objectification of them as 'meat' while stating hypocritical things about 'loving them'. stop making me repeat myself. all that is necessary has been posted. stop paying for the killing of animals and stop eating them. once you eat animals, you are part of the wrongdoing and you need to accept that.
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I am going to try to present this issue from a scientific viewpoint. Remember MAN IS AN ANIMAL too!! I think people tend to forget that. There are 3 basic categories of animals, for the sake of this discussion. The animal, which is called man or human, falls into these three categories as well. Are we saying some animals are "bad" animals and some animals are "good" animals and some are "good/bad" animals? Here's how all animals are generally broken down into 3 basic categories... A Herbivore is an organism anatomically and physiologically adapted to plant material, as the main component of its diet. Buffalo Cape Buffalo Capybara Cattle Cow Deer Elephant Giant panda Giraffe Goat Gorilla Guinea Pig Hippopotamus Horse Kangaroo Koala Llama Manatee Fruit Bat Okapi Rabbit Rhinoceros Sambar deer Sheep Wombat Zebra A Carnivore is an organism that derives its energy and nutrient requirements from a diet consisting mainly or exclusively of animal tissue, whether through predation or scavenging. lions tiger cheetahs leopards Hyenas Some mustelids, including ferrets Polar Bears Pinnipeds (seals, sea lions, walruses, etc.) Dolphins Whales Microbats An Omnivore meaning all-eater, eats many foods and consumes a variety of materials as significant food sources in their natural diet. These foods may include plants, animals, algae and fungi Bears Coati (including aardvarks ) Hedgehogs Opossums Pigs Primates including Chimpanzees and Humans Raccoons Rodents, including Chipmunks, Mice, Rats and Squirrels Skunks Sloths Birds Prey can consist of berries and nectar to insects, worms, fish, small rodents and snakes) Cassowary (an Australian bird) Chickens Corvids, including Crows, Magpies, Ravens and Rook_(bird) Kea (a New Zealand Parrot) Rallidae (a wetland bird species) Rhea_(bird) (a South American flightless bird) Some Fish such as Piranha Some Lizards and Turtles The animal Man falls into all three of these categories. Paul is doing a great job educating and influencing many people on the benefits of becoming vegetarian and even vegan. Meat Free Monday is also a great start for some people who are becoming aware of the concept that they don't need to eat meat every day. I think more and more, people are educating themselves to the idea of cutting down or eliminating meat from their diet. It is an education process and like all education processes, it takes time and understanding and support. Name calling is usually counter productive in an effort to pursued someone to do anything. (Imagine teaching children, by using name calling and bullying tactics... do you really think that is an effective method to teach and influence people? ) True story. I know of a friend of a close acquaintance. He started to work in a meat factory and became an instant vegetarian. He was vegetarian for about a year... he has just started eating some meat again... I think it goes to show that man as an animal is going to fall in one of the animal groups above. We are all animals... If you love animals, you have to love ALL ANIMALS!! Love is the key... Hate gets you nowhere. Love is the answer and love will teach people a better way... not hate. Sometimes it is hard to love animals who think differently than you do... Love is the answer and you know that for sure... Yes is the answer and you know that for sure Yes is surrender you got to let it go Raising the spirit of peace and love I want you to make love, not war I know you've heard it before Some really good words from John... Peace & Love to all animals in our world
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love2travel:
The animal Man falls into all three of these categories.
simplyrahil:
no, we are not naturally-born 'omnivores'. that's a myth.
love2travel:
Name calling is usually counter productive in an effort to pursued someone to do anything. (Imagine teaching children, by using name calling and bullying tactics... do you really think that is an effective method to teach and influence people? )
who is calling anyone names? who is bullying? you are somehow seeing something i am not. as far as i see (and i have shown this thread to many other people who are not members of this forum also), the only bullying and name-calling going on here is calling animals 'meat' and bullying in the form of paying for their abuse and murder. if you are trying to insinuate something about my responses to mjbeatle, i suggest you actually read what was asked and what my responses were. they were quite on the point and direct, and that is being mistaken as what you call it (if indeed you are addressing me). don't stray from the issue though. in fact, it could be seen and said that those trying these tactics of calling my direct responses as the terms you said ARE in fact the ones doing any bullying or name-calling. so check yourselves.
love2travel:
We are all animals... If you love animals, you have to love ALL ANIMALS!! Love is the key...
sure, but if a supposedly 'rational animal' as a 'human being' outrightly, in the face of facts and n the face of knowing what is going on against those more innocent animals who are abused and murdered every second to be eaten, and who comes and states things like they love them while still eating them and other belittling things about animals, then a human being ought to be Corrected, especially if it is on a thread in this section of the forum. so preach that love for the animals, the ones being cut up and murdered by the money being paid by all those you want to 'love' who are eating them. your 'all-inclusive' treatise above makes it sound so liberal on this issue which is something very serious. there is no 'option' about it - killing animals is wrong and i will stand by that statement forever and i will always correct anyone stating otherwise. those animals do not have voices to do so. 'human animals' have voices and all other facilities to keep abusing and killing those animals. such activities are not 'lovable'.
love2travel:
Hate gets you nowhere. Love is the answer and love will teach people a better way... not hate.
again, it seems as if people are conveniently mixing up the directness of the required responses to the type of things said/asked with 'hate'. the HATE that should be being addressed on here is that HATE which is being perpetuated for animals in such statements about them being 'meat' and about them being 'loved' yet paid to be killed. THAT is HATE.
love2travel:
Peace & Love to all animals in our world
right, so say it straight - tell those who eat them to stop eating them. babying the issue is not doing any good for the animals. it just gives leeway for it to continue. besides, since you seem to be a vege person, use that energy instead to preach on behalf of the animals instead of trying to cut me across here when i am defending the animals who are being killed and my trying to explain a simple concept that paying for animals being killed means that one supports it and is funding its continuation. since page 1 that has been one point that has yet to be accepted. paying for it? well darn accept that one is part of the wrongdoing. love animals? then don't eat them. enough hypocrisy.
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i was following this... and.. madness from meat eaters.. madness madness.. how somebody who kill animals ask for respect??? i just want to say: Do not ever ask to respect your "personal choice" when you're eating dead animals whose lives were not respected .... Do not ever tell me that vegans are not tolerant, since you are the intolerant with animals. Never tell me that we think we are better than you, because is you who think are better just because you are a human. Do not call us radical or extremist because justice dont have extreme. Do not ever tell me that we part of a cult, because you are part of an industry that knows no ethical or moral, and you are coward because you are there very confortable and you dont question what you doing. Do not ever tell me that there is no alternative, tha this is the life, and always has been, because you know vegans, you see what we eat and see we are alive. You, you're not as ignorant as you pretend, because you really know part of the truth , because we have opened your eyes. But you wanted to close them again ... And certainly do not tell us that this is unnatural and goes against evolution, precisely because you base your position on custom and tradition. ________________________________ www.cocinandoconjagannatha.blogspot.com/ www.refugioparamatma.blogspot.com/
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^ AMEN
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I always wonder about the source when I see comments directed towards vegans like "look up Temple Grandin" (as if we don't know how she "changed" the industry to pull more wool over consumers' eyes with the Humane Myth - animals are treated worse than ever, and all of the "improvements" have only made the killing faster and more agonizing for animals); or vegans offering information are called all kinds of names like "obnoxious" and "aggressive" when it's only a projection of personal shame somewhere in that cognizant dissonance that animal consumers live with. We all know it hurts to hear the truth about our complicity. We went through it ourselves, and had to throw off the inane objections like "I respect your choice to be vegan, please respect mine to eat meat," because those "arguments" truly make NO SENSE. Vegans have committed to a life of respecting all beings, their habitats, and in turn actually help humanity by gnawing at the root of our inherent violent tendencies, and are fully aware that those "choices" animal consumers make are not without victims, so the argument actually sounds pretty dumb to us. There's a holocaust going on. It's sad that it offends people to hear about it. But they should be offended at the industry, the very idea that animals are ours to torture, than at the messengers. Seriously, respect is earned, not given, for harmful behavior. We are lovers of life, and respectful of the world. Humans have had free rein to torture and destroy - respecting their actions is not earned or warranted. Our anger at hearing the same useless, uninformed arguments are for good reason. Any sensible person would not only balk at the treatment of animals, but also refuse to partake in the bloodshed. To protect your "choice" is to deny that you have any responsibility towards compassion. It really is the definition of selfish, if you look at it with your eyes wide open. I also wonder at the restraint of other vegans in the face of verbal abuse. We are expected to take a lot of completely thoughtless rhetoric without batting an eye. It doesn't work that way because we're human, too.
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Lone Raven:
I always wonder about the source when I see comments directed towards vegans like "look up Temple Grandin" (as if we don't know how she "changed" the industry to pull more wool over consumers' eyes with the Humane Myth - animals are treated worse than ever, and all of the "improvements" have only made the killing faster and more agonizing for animals); or vegans offering information are called all kinds of names like "obnoxious" and "aggressive" when it's only a projection of personal shame somewhere in that cognizant dissonance that animal consumers live with.
I think they feel attacked, because they get nervous and feel guilty ... but sometimes, we have to lower our heads and accept that we make a mistake ...
Lone Raven:
We all know it hurts to hear the truth about our complicity. We went through it ourselves, and had to throw off the inane objections like "I respect your choice to be vegan, please respect mine to eat meat," because those "arguments" truly make NO SENSE. Vegans have committed to a life of respecting all beings, their habitats, and in turn actually help humanity by gnawing at the root of our inherent violent tendencies, and are fully aware that those "choices" animal consumers make are not without victims, so the argument actually sounds pretty dumb to us.
in this case killing innocents is a big mistake ... And so I ask yo all people who kill animals to accept that it is a mistake support this slaughter ... I was also a animal killer ... Is never too late to become aware and make the change
Lone Raven:
There's a holocaust going on. It's sad that it offends people to hear about it. But they should be offended at the industry, the very idea that animals are ours to torture, than at the messengers. Seriously, respect is earned, not given, for harmful behavior. We are lovers of life, and respectful of the world. Humans have had free rein to torture and destroy - respecting their actions is not earned or warranted. Our anger at hearing the same useless, uninformed arguments are for good reason. Any sensible person would not only balk at the treatment of animals, but also refuse to partake in the bloodshed. To protect your "choice" is to deny that you have any responsibility towards compassion. It really is the definition of selfish, if you look at it with your eyes wide open.
we are all responsible, only we can change this nightmare.... your comment is totally righ Lone Posted: 01-20-2013 03:44 PM Post subject: follow this i was following this... and.. madness from meat eaters.. madness madness.. how somebody who kill animals ask for respect??? i just want to say: Do not ever ask to respect your "personal choice" when you're eating dead animals whose lives were not respected .... Do not ever tell me that vegans are not tolerant, since you are the intolerant with animals. Never tell me that we think we are better than you, because is you who think are better just because you are a human. Do not call us radical or extremist because justice dont have extreme. Do not ever tell me that we part of a cult, because you are part of an industry that knows no ethical or moral, and you are coward because you are there very confortable and you dont question what you doing. Do not ever tell me that there is no alternative, tha this is the life, and always has been, because you know vegans, you see what we eat and see we are alive. You, you're not as ignorant as you pretend, because you really know part of the truth , because we have opened your eyes. But you wanted to close them again ... And certainly do not tell us that this is unnatural and goes against evolution, precisely because you base your position on custom and tradition. ______________________________________ www.cocinandoconjagannatha.blogspot.com/ www.refugioparamatma.blogspot.com/
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audi:
What's your veggie-conversion success rate? Can't be that high, given your in-your-face, dogmatic, borderline abusive, communication style.
This is how I feel about Democrats and Republicans. I think it is much easier to get people to listen to your point of view with kindness. Someone who might be thinking about joining one side or another would probably be better convinced with diplomacy.
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al Sabah:
audi:
What's your veggie-conversion success rate? Can't be that high, given your in-your-face, dogmatic, borderline abusive, communication style.
This is how I feel about Democrats and Republicans. I think it is much easier to get people to listen to your point of view with kindness. Someone who might be thinking about joining one side or another would probably be better convinced with diplomacy.
Yes a cup of kindness goes a long way...