THE GLOBAL WINGS THREAD
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EpiphoneCasino:
Pre Wings Paul & Linda?
OMG... Epcot....way back then...KEWL!! who are those 2?
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blondie10:
EpiphoneCasino:
Pre Wings Paul & Linda?
OMG... Epcot....way back then...KEWL!! who are those 2?
I think that's a beautiful pic! Paul would appreciate it. Switching subjects: Gary, did Val mention my Peter Paul & Mary request? You know Mary died lst month or so,.
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G'night Eve, Audi, Gary...oh wait...not Gary... I've been released peace and weed..I mean love...
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audi:
blondie10:
EpiphoneCasino:
Pre Wings Paul & Linda?
OMG... Epcot....way back then...KEWL!! who are those 2?
I think that's a beautiful pic! Paul would appreciate it. Switching subjects: Gary, did Val mention my Peter Paul & Mary request? You know Mart died lst month or so,.
Yeah, saw that. Makes me feel old. Leavin On A Jet Plane would be good, and I know that backwards being a John Denver fan...
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OK, all. T'was a fun ride today!
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audi:
OK, all. T'was a fun ride today!
Indeedy!! OK, I'm off too, so G'night.
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EpiphoneCasino:
audi:
blondie10:
EpiphoneCasino:
Pre Wings Paul & Linda?
OMG... Epcot....way back then...KEWL!! who are those 2?
I think that's a beautiful pic! Paul would appreciate it. Switching subjects: Gary, did Val mention my Peter Paul & Mary request? You know Mart died lst month or so,.
Yeah, saw that. Makes me feel old. Leavin On A Jet Plane would be good, and I know that backwards being a John Denver fan...
As they say in Hollywood: Make it happen. I'm sure I'll love it! -a
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ok...i came in with my broom and mop. time to clean this place up. what is that over there??? old herring cans? bjornie, you can be a piglet at times. and are those SNOUTS over in that corner? i don't have all night, y'know. this really boils mah grits. on top of that there's a grocery bag over on the counter with a CAT in it...wth...just what kind of party were you guys having? what's in that baggie? someone collecting 'leaves'? honestly, i can't leave you alone for a minuto. no way am i mopping up that disgusting mess in the middle of the floor. i'm afraid to find out exactly what it is. i do like that pretty poster of paulie and linder, though! in any case, i'm downloading FOUR SONGS, count 'em. snapdrive is quick and no waiting time. i guess, as usual, my timing is off. bjornie, don't look now but i believe the taliban might have something to do with free albums. something about it gets into your ears and gnaws it's way into your head until you are brainwashed. when you are done listening, you are ready to strap a bomb to your back and drive into a crowd. sorry, i can't d/l it.
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Bjorn Karlsson:
21st Century Paul:
Bjorn Karlsson:
Happy Birthday to us!! So, here we are after 4 years...quite a journey, and as I said a few days ago---it's been a great trip from the start...and most of all been great to get to know the bunch of people that has gone trough this journey together! You're very special to me all of you! I thought I'd make a contribution today with a song I recorded really early in GW history, in a version with piano and vocals only... THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD (NAKED) http://rapidshare.com/files/308955001/The_Long___Winding_Road__NAKED__-_Bjorn_-_Global_Wings.mp3
Okey, Bjorn, I like everything on your track, piano, vocals, but one thing... The auto-tuning thing... I would prefer your voice to go out of tune or whatever than listening to that, really. I like your videos when you sing live, so I'll guess I would like anyway these without that effect. Actually I only don't like it when I notice that thing... the rest is fantastic.
I thank you for liking my singing , I like to set the standard very high when recording my vocals, and want to make a recording pitch-fix free, BTW Autotune is the worst pitch fix program, never use it, there are other's that are better!! Like every studio recording, I can re-record parts to improve if I am unsatisfied with some parts, that means a studio recording is rarely a complete "live" take. It is parts of different recordings. Recording like that is a good way to make a "perfect" recording. Sometimes when I've recorded a vocal and wanted to keep a take with the right feel I've fixed a note that bothered me, instead of re-recording. This vocal, and what you heard is the Roomworks PREdator reverb effect which is a nice reverb with a slight delay effect, not a pitch fix... Here the song is TOTALLY CLEAN, NAKED, just my recorded track...to hear the difference! THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD(EVEN MORE NAKED) http://rapidshare.com/files/309322187/TLAWR_EVEN_MORE_NAKED_.mp3 Thanks for being a great detective, but sorry to disappoint you, you wanna hear bad Autotune, go get GENYC! I can't quite understand your critics, the sound is "autotuned" and in a way that bothered you, more than any modern digital recording today? Please no accusations without facts! I'm a bit of a perfectionist and very fussy when it comes to a singer's pitch, and would not release stuff if there were too many "sour" notes, as I hate listening to bad singers that sing out of tune all the time. And I guess that is the case with most of our listeners too!
Hey it was not an accussation!, just a thing I didn't like. Excuse me then, I was wrong with that. I didn't mean Autotune exactly, I just don't know the name of that, "altering pitch" or something... Ok, then what I notice strange is just when you do a some little seconds-take like I guess "anyway you've ever known" But what got really me confused with the Pitch effect was the delay... now I've listened to your "very naked" version and I like more the part "I've seen that road before", that with that delay seems quite like Pitch effect (I guess it should be named "changing the melody"...) You know who re-recorded little tracks a lot, Freddie Mercury, for instance in Don't Stop Me Now, there are some vocals takes in just some seconds, cause that was impossible to sing, at least for him. Yeah, well... sometimes you can do several takes to avoid weak moments or to do it in just one take. If it was for "sour vocals" Twist and Shout or Hey Jude would never have been released like they were, I think they are fantastic like that, cause they have the feeling of a live performance. But sometimes you can do several takes for the recording, you won't be able to sing like that live, but maybe it's the better way. I think I'm already opening my mind to that too, cause I plan to re-record some seconds in some Elvis classic I've recorded... (I never ever gonna sing that live....... :lol I remember being on the producer's studio and he told me some singers do a take for EVERY LINE of every song... something like... HEY JUDE (ok.... we take a rest.... 5 minutes later...) DON'T MAKE IT BAD (to the bathroom, or maybe next day I think that kills the emotion of the singer... and somehow the feeling of the song... I'm gonna try it anyway and "judge for myself" (not every line though... :lol So GENYC is "autotuned" oh, my... when I said "I hope for better vocals" I didn't meant that, but Paul singing less loud in the low notes and louder in the high notes, just like he did in his 70s shows... I think this is the perfect example, if Paul sang this now, he will sing louder all the song and won't be able to do what he does at the end. Wings-Junior's Farm (live 1975)
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EpiphoneCasino:
Bjorn Karlsson:
21st Century Paul:
Bjorn Karlsson:
Happy Birthday to us!! So, here we are after 4 years...quite a journey, and as I said a few days ago---it's been a great trip from the start...and most of all been great to get to know the bunch of people that has gone trough this journey together! You're very special to me all of you! I thought I'd make a contribution today with a song I recorded really early in GW history, in a version with piano and vocals only... THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD (NAKED) http://rapidshare.com/files/308955001/The_Long___Winding_Road__NAKED__-_Bjorn_-_Global_Wings.mp3
Okey, Bjorn, I like everything on your track, piano, vocals, but one thing... The auto-tuning thing... I would prefer your voice to go out of tune or whatever than listening to that, really. I like your videos when you sing live, so I'll guess I would like anyway these without that effect. Actually I only don't like it when I notice that thing... the rest is fantastic.
I thank you for liking my singing , I like to set the standard very high when recording my vocals, and want to make a recording pitch-fix free, BTW Autotune is the worst pitch fix program, never use it, there are other's that are better!! Like every studio recording, I can re-record parts to improve if I am unsatisfied with some parts, that means a studio recording is rarely a complete "live" take. It is parts of different recordings. Recording like that is a good way to make a "perfect" recording. Sometimes when I've recorded a vocal and wanted to keep a take with the right feel I've fixed a note that bothered me, instead of re-recording. This vocal, and what you heard is the Roomworks PREdator reverb effect which is a nice reverb with a slight delay effect, not a pitch fix... Here the song is TOTALLY CLEAN, NAKED, just my recorded track...to hear the difference! THE LONG AND WINDING ROAD(EVEN MORE NAKED) http://rapidshare.com/files/309322187/TLAWR_EVEN_MORE_NAKED_.mp3 Thanks for being a great detective, but sorry to disappoint you, you wanna hear bad Autotune, go get GENYC! I can't quite understand your critics, the sound is "autotuned" and in a way that bothered you, more than any modern digital recording today? Please no accusations without facts! I'm a bit of a perfectionist and very fussy when it comes to a singer's pitch, and would not release stuff if it was to many "sour" notes, as I hate listening to bad singers that sing out of tune all the time. And I guess that is the case with most of our listeners too!
ONE HUNDRED PERCENT AGREED The Beatles did this in their day too - speeding up vocals, and "punching in" bad notes. There's no real excuse for bad pitching on recorded work, and never has been. I agree about Autotune - terrible programme, and yes, there are much better ones out there. I used too much of it in the early days of GW, but we all improve, and I think all our standards are reaching ever higher peaks. I also have to say, that, these days, pitch correction is a sound we've become "accustomed to", and the songs sound strange without it. Coldplay for example, whilst not being "Cher" type corrected, ARE indeed heavily corrected, as is Robbie Williams. The general style of recording vocals these days, is to HEAVILY compress, with no reverb and tight pitch correction. All naturality has gone out of recorded work these days.
100 % agreed about the Beatles too. Sometimes you wonder how can you sound "pro" (or what's pro today...) and "real" also... I don't know, for instance if I listen to U2's "One", that's compressed like it should be, but not Heavily compressed... and there's no vocal pitch correction. If I go forward in time, now I can't almost find records I like his sound... Nothing with pitch correction, c'mon! they even do it to Adam Lambert, that's not correction but deleting the curves between the notes, you know... As compressing everything is deleting the changes in loudness that are meant to be that way since the composer started thinking about it, same for the curves between the notes, if they did to guitars it will kill all the licks I think the main problem is that is not easy to think what everyone did before"I want to sound like..." like who? I said, for instance, Queen in the 80s and 90s, but maybe is "amateurish" today, too? :
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PS one of these days, when I'll record another duet with Elvis... I will "perfect-pitch" Elvis with some of those programs... let's see how "perfect" can Elvis get... I hope he won't appear then in my dreams saying "Oliver... what have you done?" I don't think Paul ever sings out of tune. Because of the passion and drama of some songs some notes are strange but still on key... Like Lennon sang on key in Twist and Shout even with a sore throat... I'm trying to remind possibly the worst live vocal performance ever of Paul... I think is this one, whatever the cause... I'm down on the NYC concert 2001
It's not he's not on key, is that the notes are without any curve or expression, flat you say... but actually "Perfect-pitching" makes all the notes sound flat... For instance this is Adam Lambert's studio version of Whola Lotta Love (with quite some "perfect-pitching") and he sounds flat in many notes, especially the short ones "I'm go-nna-give-you-my.." and this is live, it really seems another singer -
anyway you know what? I think I'm gonna re-record my vocals in some of my songs, they were sung long time ago anyway, I think I can do better than that (now that I know some things I didn't knew...), one take or more, I don't know...
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21st Century Paul:
PS one of these days, when I'll record another duet with Elvis... I will "perfect-pitch" Elvis with some of those programs... let's see how "perfect" can Elvis get... I hope he won't appear then in my dreams saying "Oliver... what have you done?" I don't think Paul ever sings out of tune. Because of the passion and drama of some songs some notes are strange but still on key... Like Lennon sang on key in Twist and Shout even with a sore throat... I'm trying to remind possibly the worst live vocal performance ever of Paul... I think is this one, whatever the cause... I'm down on the NYC concert 2001
It's not he's not on key, is that the notes are without any curve or expression, flat you say... but actually "Perfect-pitching" makes all the notes sound flat... ...I've always thought that Paul simply had a sore throat that night. Possibly a full "cold." I remember being pretty surprised that he'd opened with "I'm Down." And having seen him perform it eight years later in Atlanta, I was blown away by well he sang it. I'm glad that Paul knows that the voice can be strengthened ... and re-strengthened. The best opera singers are in their 60s and 70s -- which is why we're still getting "Helter Skelter'' and it's almost 2010!
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21st Century Paul:
anyway you know what? I think I'm gonna re-record my vocals in some of my songs, they were sung long time ago anyway, I think I can do better than that (now that I know some things I didn't knew...), one take or more, I don't know...
So, you're going to auto-tune Elvis? Or did I misunderstand your previous post? I can save ya' some time: Start with his '50s ballads and gospel recordings. Elvis could sing blues, pop and rock and stay on pitch effortlessly early in his career. It wouldn't be until his release from the Army that he'd master singing ballads. And while I'm at it: I remember a few days ago your saying that Elvis had poor breathing when singing or something like that. What??????!!!!!?????? If you're referring to his later tours when he got winded a little more easily, that's one thing, but in general Elvis was a pro at vocal-breathing. He often made notes during his recording sessions on when to breathe, etc.
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Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
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Hey Audi When I saw Paul in 2005 in Miami, he was definatley sick. he sounded completely stuffed up but I'll tell you...when he spoke, I thought..HELL, he is never going to make it thru this concert with that hoarse voice..but he sang amazingly...I was so impressed....of course the next night he played Tampa and fell into his stage hole where his piano was supposed to be...ok...well, he I'm not sure he totally fell in...I think someone grabbed him before the big tumble... I'm still certian he was not feeling so well on his Florida dates...
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blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
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blondie10:
Hey Audi When I saw Paul in 2005 in Miami, he was definatley sick. he sounded completely stuffed up but I'll tell you...when he spoke, I thought..HELL, he is never going to make it thru this concert with that hoarse voice..but he sang amazingly...I was so impressed....of course the next night he played Tampa and fell into his stage hole where his piano was supposed to be...ok...well, he I'm not sure he totally fell in...I think someone grabbed him before the big tumble... I'm still certian he was not feeling so well on his Florida dates...
That's the first time I've heard that he might've been sick on some of those dates. I read about his fall in Tampa at this discussion forum, and fans described it much more scary than what I saw in the tour DVD. But it would definitely explain why he could've been woozy.
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audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
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blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
Oooh! The '68 Special! The Resurrection! Here's my fave from the jam-sesion part of that show:
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