Sam Leach - KEEP
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JLB Good points -- basically my opinion about Baker is colored by his articles from Club Sandwich which I think are fantastic. In terms of Baker sensationalizing stories that comes with the turf -- playing the media is about playing up events. If he went too far in some cases I'd rather have someone like that doing my publicity then someone who doesn't care enough to try. Moreover, in my view Macca doesn't lose points with the public based on exgerrations about his rehearsals, etc -- people don't really care one way or another. Baker simply seemed to be adept at taking events that are mundane to the casual music fan and hyping them up. He's in the business of hype. Going to Macca's concerts its clear that he has no shortage of under 35 year old fans. No question in my mind Macca was made BY SOME media to seem uncool in the early 80s when he did softer pop alas Say Say Say, Ebony Ivory. But, that has nothing to do with Baker -- he didn't work for Macca back then. And, based on his concerts alone Macca's recovered with the 80s generation (in fact I recall a recent saying its cool to pick Macca as your favorite Beatle again) and is doing great with younger fans who made up a big part of the sales for the Beatles 1 album.
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Nick2004:
(((yawn))) sorry just got in from work
Hi Nick hehe i feel the same way!
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JLB and mike, you both made some great points and that's good to see
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Starr:
Nick2004:
(((yawn))) sorry just got in from work
Hi Nick hehe i feel the same way!
I been spending most of my night sleeping since 7pm i havent spoken to Connie today, and i have no credit on my cellphone i miss her PS What has been going on in that other thread?
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Hi Tashi Don't mean to pick on you i know we've agreed on a lot of posts just disagree on this one. Basically Dom responded to a post that said I'm glad that Geoff isn't working anymore for Paul. Sorry to say this Dom replied Me too, and I'm even more pleased that this hopefully means he won't be representing Apple anymore either. That's if he was to blame for the lies/exaggerations contained in the press releases that have come out from MPL and Apple over recent years. They were very tabloid - not a lot of fact and a hell of a lot of 'guff'... maybe he can go back and work for The Sun, more his style. The point The way it came across was pretty strong -- basically Dom characterized Baker's work and style and implied not just that he exegerrates but lies. In Sam's defense not that he needs me to defend him but since I agree with him i'll do it anyway (sorry Sam!) he responded to Dom's post with equally strong passion from the vantage point of actually knowing Baker and his relationship with Macca. The rest of the debate digressed into Dom being upset at Sam's point about who is he (Dom) to make these comments with Dom implying at one point that the fact that he isn't an insider makes his view point more valid becuase he's not colored by personal relationships. Personally, I think that point is silly (but again Don is entitled to make it) I've gathered that Sam thought it will silly to -- and they basically debated back and forth. Dom took some personal shots, too -- so I don't see why you want to pick on Sam from coming on too strong. Sam's point is that he is coming from the vantage point of knowing what's going on -- is on point considering that the information in terms of what's going is really not public. But, the comments back and forth I think was just a generic debate -- the thread was definitely tilted towards slamming Baker -- and Sam tried to bring some balance into it -- and on that thread you wouldn't be able to pull that off unless you came on strong. Cheers! Mike
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I have no idea what you guys are all talking about lol so i'll just say a quick hello!
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Id just like to add people if you have lovely things to say about Dear Geoffie.. Please post them.. in broadcast!!!~ I think it only fair that Geoff has some positive things written about himm... Good call Mike as always (almost :lol & Geoff Lynn's beard ......
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Starr:
I have no idea what you guys are all talking about lol so i'll just say a quick hello!
*waves* HELLO
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Hi Mike, No problem. I don't feel picked on at all. To be completely honest, I am very shocked and disappointed that any of Paul's fans would defend Geoff's actions. All insider info aside, running to the tabloids was the wrong thing to do. I know I definitely wouldn't want any friend that would do that to me. In Dom's post he says "that's if he was to blame for the lies/exaggerations... To me, the word if is very important in that statement. To me it seems that he is saying if Geoff was to blame for the innacuracies/exaggerations/lies in the releases then maybe he would be better off working at the Sun. I guess we have just gotten different things from the same statement. That happens, especially online when it's hard to determine the nuance of what is written. Regarding Dom's posts my opinion is this-they probably would not have happened if Sam had not started the 'debate'. Asking someone who the hell they think they are just because they offered their opinion is impolite imho and puts people on the defensive. Anyone wanting to balance the thread could have posted a list of the positive things Geoff did during his 15-year tenure. All I have seen so far is a story about him being drunk at the Cavern and a couple about him being polite to a few fans. All I can say to you is that the only person's vantage point I care about is Paul's. I read his statement and that is what I believe. I hope this whole thing goes away very quickly and that Heather does not become a target for any more tabloid trashing. She is just beginning to get good press and I really want it to continue. Anna, sometimes the idea of if you have nothing nice to say... is a good idea. I did not say that in my post though. I sometimes wonder why certain people have got nothing better to do than trash other board members and start arguments when none are necessary All the best, ~Tashi
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Hi anna hows it going?
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Starr:
Hi anna hows it going?
i'm quite fine... i'm suffering under the changing weather a bit - or is it called weather reversal??? and you?
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Hi Anna me too i always get headaches when the weather changes as it is now, never good on me! What exactly are you guys talking about anyways here? lol i'm so lost! Hi Nick aww i hope you hear from Connie, which other thread were you talking about?
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Starr:
Hi Anna me too i always get headaches when the weather changes as it is now, never good on me! What exactly are you guys talking about anyways here? lol i'm so lost! Hi Nick aww i hope you hear from Connie, which other thread were you talking about?
geoff baker, Paul's spokesman and PR was fired or quit (I'm still not sure about that...) - anyway their business relationship is over and saddly it looks like that also their friendship of 15 years is over... now some fans are sad about it cause they think geoff did a good job for 15 years, was loyal to paul, the family and the fans and other think he wasn't a loyal friend and that his work wasn't good at all... this is what the whole argument on this board is about basically... i have to say i never had a problem with him and i'm impressed by some stories and i'm simply disappointed when someone says that he can't lose the respect of paul's fans cause they never did respect him - that obviously is not true... i don't like it when people speak like that on behalf of all the fans right now, i simply think that both sides can not accept that there are different opinions on geoff baker and that some people just went into that discussion to harsh by acting like as if all of paul's fans hated him which is simply not true!!!
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Hi Anna ahh thank you for explaining that all to me lol i felt funny you guys were all having this discussion and i had no clue! lol!! You bring up some good points, i always felt there's two sides to everything no one's perfect, since i'm not too familiar with him or what he's done i cant really comment on it. But you guys go ahead and continue lol!!
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anna_medlicka:
sam rocks... i hope he doesn't decide to leave the board because of the events of the last 48 hours this would be a big loss for the community
Well, if people really want this, LET IT BE. Apologise and stop the sniping. I don't think even Sam knows the whole story. The two men that do know (Paul and Geoff) aren't about to go sharing it with the whole world, either.
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but sam, like anyone else, is allowed to voice his opinion and disagree with other people... and he certainly doesn't deserve the treatment he got... and i also don't think that other people deserved a treatment they got here too simply for liking geoff baker... there are one or two people who are extremely nasty and bitchy and it isn't much of a surprise this all got cooking cause hte people who like geoff baker were provoked... i'm extremely disappointed that some people who don't like geoff baker act like as if the all the fans hated him and that he never did anything for anyone - i don't know if it's that what other people pissed too
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All I know is what I've read, the first article where Heather is blamed for Geoff's sacking and the statement on the BBC website where Paul says he fired Geoff and Heather had nothing to do with it. I have never met Geoff, thus he never did anything for me. The Blaine incident was over the top, IMO, but otherwise it is between Paul and Geoff as far as I'm concerned.
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this "his words against his" situation worries me - many people tend to say "i believe paul", ok... but i also thought "geoff baker has got nothing to lose"...
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Guys, this isn't the best place to discuss this. Since we don't know the full story, draw a line under it, please.
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anna_medlicka:
geoff baker, Paul's spokesman and PR was fired or quit (I'm still not sure about that...) - anyway their business relationship is over and saddly it looks like that also their friendship of 15 years is over... now some fans are sad about it cause they think geoff did a good job for 15 years, was loyal to paul, the family and the fans and other think he wasn't a loyal friend and that his work wasn't good at all... this is what the whole argument on this board is about basically... i have to say i never had a problem with him and i'm impressed by some stories and i'm simply disappointed when someone says that he can't lose the respect of paul's fans cause they never did respect him - that obviously is not true... i don't like it when people speak like that on behalf of all the fans right now, i simply think that both sides can not accept that there are different opinions on geoff baker and that some people just went into that discussion to harsh by acting like as if all of paul's fans hated him which is simply not true!!!
I'm a Paul Fan i don't really know who Geoff Baker is But anyways does it matter, stop arguing about it!!! Paul will still make great music whatever, im looking forward to his solo album and the one with Brian Wilson i heard about (i hope the latter isn't just a rumour) But whatever Just Stop This Crap People!!!