"He Aint Heavy He's My Brother" - Xmas Number One
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maxpower:
@ Kapoo - I assume your American? So I will give you some rope on this one The reason it was released was due to the Hillsborough disaster 15th April 1989 where 96 innocent football (or Soccer fans died) and it took until 2012 yes 23 years for the fault/blame/responsibilty to be re-directed (correctly ) at the authorities and the Police's door & not the fans I'm not going to get heavily into it but being from that part of the world its totally justified being number 1 for the relatives and families of 96. The truth is now out, and now for the justice
Oh, so law enforcement engages in cover-ups over there, too? Not just America? Because, here, they've got corruption down to a friggin' science. And, as usual, the truth always seems to come to light years and years after the fact. Huh. Good to know.
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kapoo:
Good lord, where are the real bands these days?
Out of the mainstream, you know...
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kapoo:
maxpower:
@ Kapoo - I assume your American? So I will give you some rope on this one The reason it was released was due to the Hillsborough disaster 15th April 1989 where 96 innocent football (or Soccer fans died) and it took until 2012 yes 23 years for the fault/blame/responsibilty to be re-directed (correctly ) at the authorities and the Police's door & not the fans I'm not going to get heavily into it but being from that part of the world its totally justified being number 1 for the relatives and families of 96. The truth is now out, and now for the justice
Ah, thank you for that explanation Maxpower, I was ignorant of that incident and its on going-ness. Glad people are able to get some closure to that horrific event.
Kapoo - there was a long explanation on page 1 of this thread as well, which if you'dve read before you posted you wouldn't have sounded so hurtful maybe..
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MaccaBeatles:
The ironic thing is that the single that was competing for the Christmas no. 1 this year against "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" was a song called "Impossible" by UK X Factor 2012 winner, James Arthur. In second place was Jahmene Douglas. If Jahmene had won, the winners single would have been a cover of "Let It Be"! So Paul's collaboration with the Justice Collective would have been competing for the no. 1 spot with a cover of his own song!
SO glad Jahmene didn't win. He totally murdered Let It Be with another OTT vocal gymnastic cover. The song has been covered and played to death already. Nothing comes close to the Beatles original, and Paul's renditions of it in recent years are nowhere near as good either. James Arthur's song by contrast is really good (and an improvement on Shontelle's version), and I say that even though I hate X Factor and could not believe just how vulgar and overblown it was this year. As for Kapoo's comment on the "He Ain't Heavy..." single, he is well within his rights to point out that musically it isn't much to shout about.
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The current UK Government has shown a charitable side this Xmas deciding that the UK Tax Office will refund tax receipts on all sales of this single: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-20781825 Slightly confusing as the monies raised will go towards the legal fight against various government agencies for actions at the time - seeking the prosecution of police officials responsible for the decisions taken that fateful day and the subsequent concerted efforts to hide the evidence trying to switch blame onto the fans themselves. Although the relatives of the 96 have always maintained that their motive in pressing for the truth has never been financial compensation that indeed may be an outcome - and the cost of any such settlements will inevitably fall upon the current government. Martin PS also on that page, check out the More On This Story links at the bottom which lead to several very useful overviews of the tragedy.
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MaccaBeatles:
The ironic thing is that the single that was competing for the Christmas no. 1 this year against "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" was a song called "Impossible" by UK X Factor 2012 winner, James Arthur. In second place was Jahmene Douglas. If Jahmene had won, the winners single would have been a cover of "Let It Be"! So Paul's collaboration with the Justice Collective would have been competing for the no. 1 spot with a cover of his own song!
And the ironic is that if that cover of Let It Be would have reached #1 that wouldn't account as a #1 for Paul. You know, he creates the song out of thin air, but if somebody else records that, then he does not have a number one. But if he sings a few notes in a recording that goes number one then he has another number one. I guess everyone that sang in the chorus of Hey Jude can say they had a number one too, for instance...
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21st Century Paul:
MaccaBeatles:
The ironic thing is that the single that was competing for the Christmas no. 1 this year against "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" was a song called "Impossible" by UK X Factor 2012 winner, James Arthur. In second place was Jahmene Douglas. If Jahmene had won, the winners single would have been a cover of "Let It Be"! So Paul's collaboration with the Justice Collective would have been competing for the no. 1 spot with a cover of his own song!
And the ironic is that if that cover of Let It Be would have reached #1 that wouldn't account as a #1 for Paul. You know, he creates the song out of thin air, but if somebody else records that, then he does not have a number one. But if he sings a few notes in a recording that goes number one then he has another number one. I guess everyone that sang in the chorus of Hey Jude can say they had a number one too, for instance...
I think I'm going to have to agree with Ollie here. As an Elvis fan, I was irritated earlier this year when it was announced* that hip-hop artist Lil' Wayne had supposedly broken Elvis Presley's record for the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100. Elvis had at least 108 Hot 100 singles -- and he was the sole artist. Lil' Wayne's hits, plus all the mediocre tracks that he'd appeared as a guest-rapper on another artist's track, qualify in this modern bizarre world, totaling 109. Not fair at all. *=(over-hyped, actually)
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audi:
21st Century Paul:
MaccaBeatles:
The ironic thing is that the single that was competing for the Christmas no. 1 this year against "He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother" was a song called "Impossible" by UK X Factor 2012 winner, James Arthur. In second place was Jahmene Douglas. If Jahmene had won, the winners single would have been a cover of "Let It Be"! So Paul's collaboration with the Justice Collective would have been competing for the no. 1 spot with a cover of his own song!
And the ironic is that if that cover of Let It Be would have reached #1 that wouldn't account as a #1 for Paul. You know, he creates the song out of thin air, but if somebody else records that, then he does not have a number one. But if he sings a few notes in a recording that goes number one then he has another number one. I guess everyone that sang in the chorus of Hey Jude can say they had a number one too, for instance...
I think I'm going to have to agree with Ollie here. As an Elvis fan, I was irritated earlier this year when it was announced* that hip-hop artist Lil' Wayne had supposedly broken Elvis Presley's record for the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100. Elvis had at least 108 Hot 100 singles -- and he was the sole artist. Lil' Wayne's hits, plus all the mediocre tracks that he'd appeared as a guest-rapper on another artist's track, qualify in this modern bizarre world, totaling 109. Not fair at all. *=(over-hyped, actually)
It's the songwriter really, then there's all the people contributing to the recording... singer, singers, guitars, djs, rappers, drummer, orchestras, autotuners or anything... But to think that Lieber/Stoller never had a number one is kind of ridiculous. Or Burt Bacharach... to name a few whose songs were tremendously popular in the USA. The terms of "performers only" deserving the credit is quite wrong... for instance Bohemian Rhapsody went number one performed by Queen. And does anyone think Roger Taylor or John Deacon were as important as Freddie there? Not even Roger Taylor thinks that, and he used to joke about it. Especially when the B-Side of the single was a song written by Roger Taylor so he received just the same royalties than Freddie Mercury for the sales of Boh Rhap. lol It's just like Ringo, George and John had a hit with Yesterday, but weren't part of it at all. Well, John hinted something in the somewriting, but, as songwriting doesn't matter but only the performer on the credit...
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21st Century Paul:
It's the songwriter really, then there's all the people contributing to the recording... singer, singers, guitars, djs, rappers, drummer, orchestras, autotuners or anything... But to think that Lieber/Stoller never had a number one is kind of ridiculous. Or Burt Bacharach... to name a few whose songs were tremendously popular in the USA. The terms of "performers only" deserving the credit is quite wrong... for instance Bohemian Rhapsody went number one performed by Queen. And does anyone think Roger Taylor or John Deacon were as important as Freddie there? Not even Roger Taylor thinks that, and he used to joke about it. Especially when the B-Side of the single was a song written by Roger Taylor so he received just the same royalties than Freddie Mercury for the sales of Boh Rhap. lol It's just like Ringo, George and John had a hit with Yesterday, but weren't part of it at all. Well, John hinted something in the somewriting, but, as songwriting doesn't matter but only the performer on the credit...
Not quite sure I understand your point here. "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "I'm in love with my car" were both issued and performed by Queen. So of course they should get paid for their work as being Queen. Freddie gets royalties for songs written by Freddie and Roger for songs written by Roger. (If they own the rights). Right Wright got kicked out of Pink Floyd during the recording of "the Wall". He still did the tour afterwards with them, but he wasn't a member of the band, just a hired session player. He was salaried for each show he played. The band got a share of the income from the tour.
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little-lamb-dragonfly:
21st Century Paul:
It's the songwriter really, then there's all the people contributing to the recording... singer, singers, guitars, djs, rappers, drummer, orchestras, autotuners or anything... But to think that Lieber/Stoller never had a number one is kind of ridiculous. Or Burt Bacharach... to name a few whose songs were tremendously popular in the USA. The terms of "performers only" deserving the credit is quite wrong... for instance Bohemian Rhapsody went number one performed by Queen. And does anyone think Roger Taylor or John Deacon were as important as Freddie there? Not even Roger Taylor thinks that, and he used to joke about it. Especially when the B-Side of the single was a song written by Roger Taylor so he received just the same royalties than Freddie Mercury for the sales of Boh Rhap. lol It's just like Ringo, George and John had a hit with Yesterday, but weren't part of it at all. Well, John hinted something in the somewriting, but, as songwriting doesn't matter but only the performer on the credit...
Not quite sure I understand your point here. "Bohemian Rhapsody" and "I'm in love with my car" were both issued and performed by Queen. So of course they should get paid for their work as being Queen. Freddie gets royalties for songs written by Freddie and Roger for songs written by Roger. (If they own the rights). Right Wright got kicked out of Pink Floyd during the recording of "the Wall". He still did the tour afterwards with them, but he wasn't a member of the band, just a hired session player. He was salaried for each show he played. The band got a share of the income from the tour.
The "Bohemian Rhapsody" single was: -A Side: Bohemian Rhapsody, credited to Freddie Mercury -B Side: I'm In Love With My Car credited to Roger Taylor So Roger Taylor got the some money from the sales of that single than Freddie. The royalties must split into the 2 songwriters of the single songs. And Roger liked it.
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21st Century Paul:
The "Bohemian Rhapsody" single was: -A Side: Bohemian Rhapsody, credited to Freddie Mercury -B Side: I'm In Love With My Car credited to Roger Taylor So Roger Taylor got the some money from the sales of that single than Freddie. The royalties must split into the 2 songwriters of the single songs. And Roger liked it.
For the sales of the single. Right. Get it now And each time "Bohemian Rhapsody" is played on the radio, Freddie (or his estate) gets royalties for songwriting, and the band gets royalties for playing.
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little-lamb-dragonfly:
21st Century Paul:
The "Bohemian Rhapsody" single was: -A Side: Bohemian Rhapsody, credited to Freddie Mercury -B Side: I'm In Love With My Car credited to Roger Taylor So Roger Taylor got the some money from the sales of that single than Freddie. The royalties must split into the 2 songwriters of the single songs. And Roger liked it.
For the sales of the single. Right. Get it now And each time "Bohemian Rhapsody" is played on the radio, Freddie (or his estate) gets royalties for songwriting, and the band gets royalties for playing.
yes, I meant the sales, just like ifHey Jude would have an A Side in a single along with Don't Pass Me By... Half of the royalties of the single sales would have went to Ringo... and the other half to Lennon/McCartney whoever you owns it. So Ringo would have received more royalties that Paul or John. And the same is for LPs... Ringo wrote Octopus Garden then 1/171h of the royalties of Abbey Road go for him. Wild Honey Pie accounts just the same that Back In The USSR, for instance. The performing rights is quite different, but Ringo receives just the same "performing rights" for Yesterday than Paul does, everytime it is played on the radio.
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21st Century Paul:
The performing rights is quite different, but Ringo receives just the same "performing rights" for Yesterday than Paul does, everytime it is played on the radio.
They chose to release that song as a Beatles song and not a Paul McCartney song. So I think it's fair and square. It was put out as band song, and the band gets equal/fair shares. John is the only performer on Julia, John and Paul the only ones on Ballad of J&Y, Ringo isn't on Back in the USSR. I'm sure you can find examples from other bands as well. Like Liam getting royalties for Don't look back in anger.
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I thought the B-side of Hey Jude was Revolution? Or were you just making up an example?
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Nancy R:
I thought the B-side of Hey Jude was Revolution? Or were you just making up an example?
Yes it was an example, what would've been if "Don't Pass Me By" would've been the b-side of "Hey Jude".
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dance-tonight:
Nancy R:
I thought the B-side of Hey Jude was Revolution? Or were you just making up an example?
Yes it was an example, what would've been if "Don't Pass Me By" would've been the b-side of "Hey Jude".
or Hey Jude being the B-side of Don't Pass Me By
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kapoo:
I'm really out of the loop on this whole thing. That piece of junk remake is #1!? Good lord, where are the real bands these days? Was the original Hollies version a #1? The real winners in all this (outside of the less fortune who benefit from whatever fundraising is taking place) it would seem are the Hollies. They should be really proud. Do any of the original Hollies play on the record? As far as Paul, he does bring a lot to it with that guitar, but he's not the reason it went #1. Fact is it must have been a real 'down' week in music releases for that to be anywhere near #1, per my taste in music.
The Hollies' original song is incredible, mostly for the lyrics, and the remake, given the cause, is quite touching. It's not going to be one of the world's greatest songs, but it's doing what good music does: making people stop and think. Thankfully, in this case, some justice may actually come about after over two decades.
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audi:
maxpower:
@ Kapoo - I assume your American? So I will give you some rope on this one The reason it was released was due to the Hillsborough disaster 15th April 1989 where 96 innocent football (or Soccer fans died) and it took until 2012 yes 23 years for the fault/blame/responsibilty to be re-directed (correctly ) at the authorities and the Police's door & not the fans I'm not going to get heavily into it but being from that part of the world its totally justified being number 1 for the relatives and families of 96. The truth is now out, and now for the justice
Oh, so law enforcement engages in cover-ups over there, too? Not just America? Because, here, they've got corruption down to a friggin' science. And, as usual, the truth always seems to come to light years and years after the fact. Huh. Good to know.
Sad, but true.
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Also the song becames one of the few songs that have been number one twice. I keep on thinking the taste of people buying music is changing. I like much more the songs that are on the charts now than the ones a couple of years ago.
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21st Century Paul:
Also the song becames one of the few songs that have been number one twice.
Yes, in the UK. Only made it to #7 in the U.S.