Anyone notice a pattern?
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HaileyMcComet:
Paul McCartney is probably the greatest entertainer alive today. Typing up his resume would take all day. Since he's been doing his thing longer than a lot of us have been alive, he's going to have fans from practically every generation of the last century - and now this century. His oldest fans were born before LPs existed. His youngest fans were born in the age of digital downloads. He has fans all over the world. We come in all shapes, sizes, races, religions, mental acuities, social handicaps and rational deviance. I've been told that even people who read books are welcome here. You can't have such a diverse fan base without having fans that are going to disagree with each other over pretty much everything. Maybe everyone at the Andrew Ridgeley message board is going to agree on Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go, but nothing Paul ever does is going to be heralded by all of his fans. Some are too stuck in the past to think anything will ever compare with The Beatles or Band on the Run or wherever their preference lies. Some will only see his work through rainbow glasses, with everything he sneezes becoming an artistic masterpiece. Most are probably somewhere in the middle. And you know what? Not to sound like Stuart Smalley, but that's ok. Paul has never demanded that all of his fans share the same opinions on every subject. I don't think he'd be Paul if he did. When it comes to censoring people on the internet, this site is pretty lenient. Paul McCartney and his bands have changed the world in more ways than any artist alive today that I can think of. His music tears into our hearts and helps us see the world with more optimism and love than any beer commercial during the Super Bowl could ever imagine. The world may or may not be falling apart, and all the pain and suffering in your life might be more than you think you can handle, but no matter what's going on around us, every single one of us can play whatever period Paul music we prefer and feel better about life. As Voltaire once said, "I may not agree with your choice of Paul setlists, but I'll defend to the death your right to hear it." I might be paraphrasing. Paul's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him.
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graystoke:
Michelley:
The only dubious judgment Paul has made recently is his decision to sing Maybe I'm Amazed on live TV, knowing full well that it was a very difficult song to sing when he was in his prime, let alone now. Other than that, he hasn't made any dubious decisions of late. He's made a lot of smart and interesting choices that show his eagerness to create. Collaborating with Kanye was an artistic decision that has produced two good songs and two global hits so far. What's been embarrassing to see is the reaction of some of Paul's older fans to this collaboration. The drama queen over-reactions, the borderline racist (and sometimes overt racist) comments, the complete denial of the legitimacy of other genres of music. You want dubious judgments? THOSE are the dubious judgments. Not Paul doing what artists should do and taking risks.
Two way street. The drama queen over-reactions of people who love everything he does, the gushing God-like worshipping, the refusal to accept he can do no wrong, the over the top pronouncements of his achievements (particularly when they are tenuous like the Kanye/Rhianna thing) are all as embarrassing and judgementally dubious as the ones you've listed. Simply because you feel his collaborations have been smart moves and wonderful artistic choices doesn't mean they are. It's your opinion only. Others have a contrary opinion, which is their opinion only. As one of the "older" fans your mentioned, I can't stand the supposed two "good" songs with West. I didn't like Paul's Standing Stone either for the same reason. I don't like the genres Paul dabbled in those collaborations. Sure Paul can do whatever he likes but many of his fans won't always like his results and won't always "get" it. And they're free to express their thoughts and feelings on why they don't. Being fans they do it passionately.
Nice dodge. Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
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Michelley:
graystoke:
Michelley:
The only dubious judgment Paul has made recently is his decision to sing Maybe I'm Amazed on live TV, knowing full well that it was a very difficult song to sing when he was in his prime, let alone now. Other than that, he hasn't made any dubious decisions of late. He's made a lot of smart and interesting choices that show his eagerness to create. Collaborating with Kanye was an artistic decision that has produced two good songs and two global hits so far. What's been embarrassing to see is the reaction of some of Paul's older fans to this collaboration. The drama queen over-reactions, the borderline racist (and sometimes overt racist) comments, the complete denial of the legitimacy of other genres of music. You want dubious judgments? THOSE are the dubious judgments. Not Paul doing what artists should do and taking risks.
Two way street. The drama queen over-reactions of people who love everything he does, the gushing God-like worshipping, the refusal to accept he can do no wrong, the over the top pronouncements of his achievements (particularly when they are tenuous like the Kanye/Rhianna thing) are all as embarrassing and judgementally dubious as the ones you've listed. Simply because you feel his collaborations have been smart moves and wonderful artistic choices doesn't mean they are. It's your opinion only. Others have a contrary opinion, which is their opinion only. As one of the "older" fans your mentioned, I can't stand the supposed two "good" songs with West. I didn't like Paul's Standing Stone either for the same reason. I don't like the genres Paul dabbled in those collaborations. Sure Paul can do whatever he likes but many of his fans won't always like his results and won't always "get" it. And they're free to express their thoughts and feelings on why they don't. Being fans they do it passionately.
Nice dodge. Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Pathetic swerve. Try reading and then try comprehending what you've read. I never said you said I had to like the results of the West collaboration. Nor did I ?suggest? that liking those songs is ?somehow blind gushing? or that "you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong". I quoted your post to provide a counter view that there is also a propensity for people on this board and the web to go overboard in their ?positive? assessment and admiration of Paul?s life and work. That?s why I said it was a two way street. People are perfectly entitled to view Kanye West as either talented or talentless. They are also entitled to view Paul?s work with West as anything from stupendous to career suicide. These things are always subjective and people can be very passionate about their views. And I might be cranky and old but I?m not a fool.
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Michelley:
graystoke:
Michelley:
The only dubious judgment Paul has made recently is his decision to sing Maybe I'm Amazed on live TV, knowing full well that it was a very difficult song to sing when he was in his prime, let alone now. Other than that, he hasn't made any dubious decisions of late. He's made a lot of smart and interesting choices that show his eagerness to create. Collaborating with Kanye was an artistic decision that has produced two good songs and two global hits so far. What's been embarrassing to see is the reaction of some of Paul's older fans to this collaboration. The drama queen over-reactions, the borderline racist (and sometimes overt racist) comments, the complete denial of the legitimacy of other genres of music. You want dubious judgments? THOSE are the dubious judgments. Not Paul doing what artists should do and taking risks.
Two way street. The drama queen over-reactions of people who love everything he does, the gushing God-like worshipping, the refusal to accept he can do no wrong, the over the top pronouncements of his achievements (particularly when they are tenuous like the Kanye/Rhianna thing) are all as embarrassing and judgementally dubious as the ones you've listed. Simply because you feel his collaborations have been smart moves and wonderful artistic choices doesn't mean they are. It's your opinion only. Others have a contrary opinion, which is their opinion only. As one of the "older" fans your mentioned, I can't stand the supposed two "good" songs with West. I didn't like Paul's Standing Stone either for the same reason. I don't like the genres Paul dabbled in those collaborations. Sure Paul can do whatever he likes but many of his fans won't always like his results and won't always "get" it. And they're free to express their thoughts and feelings on why they don't. Being fans they do it passionately.
Nice dodge. Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
"That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." " The "shrieking" about "destroying Paul's legacy" on this web site was being done by one fool who has been removed by the mods. I have said it before and will say it again, I don't like rap or hip hop and probably never will. Since I feel that way, I have said I will leave it to others to judge Kanye's talent.
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toris:
And regardless of which side of the fence folks sit, most would prefer an album of new material in the form that we've all been accustomed to over the decades.... that's where I'd like the energies to focus now. New material on a pop/rock/experimental good old fashioned Paul McCartney album.
I agree. Mr. McCartney can do as he pleases but as a fan I would rather have another album of new solo material or a new Fireman album.
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graystoke:
The only pattern I've noticed is the increase in the number of posts b*tching about other posts. Paul isn't a saint and isn't above criticism, even on his own board. Not everything he does is gold. The board has moderators who determine when enough is enough. That they are prepared to allow discussions that are critical of Paul should be an indicator to said b*itchers that open and contrary discussions are okay. Just because YOU interpret a post as negative doesn't mean it is.
I've never seen this either.
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graystoke:
People are perfectly entitled to view Kanye West as either talented or talentless.
Duh. I didn't say people weren't "entitled" to call Kanye "talentless" or to refer to rap as (c)rap, or to wring their hands about Paul's "legacy" being ruined for the crime of collaborating on 2 songs with Kanye. I said those views were ridiculous and make those who state them look ridiculous, at best.
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toris:
And regardless of which side of the fence folks sit, most would prefer an album of new material in the form that we've all been accustomed to over the decades.... that's where I'd like the energies to focus now. New material on a pop/rock/experimental good old fashioned Paul McCartney album.
I'd like if he kept going in the NEW direction. That has easily become one of my top 5 McCartney albums. parlance
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Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only one person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
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beatlesfanrandy:
I'll go back to something I posted several years ago...Imagine this website is Paul's house. And you are an invited guest here for whatever reason. And you run into him while you are walking around in his house. Would you say the same things to his face as what you have posted about him here? Would you dare to tell him what he should do with his life and his time? I love the guy, have for decades. He changed the world. I grew up when The Beatles were still together. I would not presume to tell him what he should or shouldn't do. Anyone who does this is simply disrespectful, period. Whether they do it here or to his face. I'm honored he still playing and I have a chance to see him occasionally.
"Imagine this website is Paul's house. And you are an invited guest here for whatever reason. And you run into him while you are walking around in his house. Would you say the same things to his face as what you have posted about him here? Would you dare to tell him what he should do with his life and his time? " I would have no problem telling Mr. McCartney what I post here. I really don't think he would be offended if I told him I love his solo work and would love to see him play more of it in his concerts - lol. I know how to be diplomatic so if his recent songs Kanye came up I would say they are ok but I prefer other things you have done like your work with The Fireman.
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parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
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parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
You two have clearly done some overreacting.
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favoritething:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
Sometimes it seems all Paul does is worry about his legacy.
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RMartinez:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
You two have clearly done some overreacting.
Indeed.
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
Sometimes it seems all Paul does is worry about his legacy.
Indeed again.
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favoritething:
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
I don't think any of this has to do with worrying about his legacy, and I think people who claim that are trying to delegitimize the collaboration. It's more likely that Paul just enjoyed creating with other artists. parlance
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Michelley:
graystoke:
People are perfectly entitled to view Kanye West as either talented or talentless.
Duh. I didn't say people weren't "entitled" to call Kanye "talentless" or to refer to rap as (c)rap, or to wring their hands about Paul's "legacy" being ruined for the crime of collaborating on 2 songs with Kanye. I said those views were ridiculous and make those who state them look ridiculous, at best.
And I don't think those views or the people who stated them are ridiculous at all. I don't agree with everything they said but I see where they're coming from.
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
Sometimes it seems all Paul does is worry about his legacy.
I think the lyrics below prove your point - lol "Now everybody seems to have their own opinion Of Who did this and who did that But as for me I don't see how they can remember When they weren't where it was at [Chorus:] They can't take it from me, if they tried I lived through those early days"
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As I've observed in my Elvis fan-groups, there are two types of McCartney fans: -Those who hold him to the very artistic standard that the man himself established -Ass-kissing sycophants
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audi:
As I've observed in my Elvis fan-groups, there are two types of McCartney fans: -Those who hold him to the very artistic standard that the man himself established -Ass-kissing sycophants
Gee, thanks.