Anyone notice a pattern?
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RMartinez:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
You two have clearly done some overreacting.
Indeed.
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
Sometimes it seems all Paul does is worry about his legacy.
Indeed again.
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favoritething:
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
I don't think any of this has to do with worrying about his legacy, and I think people who claim that are trying to delegitimize the collaboration. It's more likely that Paul just enjoyed creating with other artists. parlance
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Michelley:
graystoke:
People are perfectly entitled to view Kanye West as either talented or talentless.
Duh. I didn't say people weren't "entitled" to call Kanye "talentless" or to refer to rap as (c)rap, or to wring their hands about Paul's "legacy" being ruined for the crime of collaborating on 2 songs with Kanye. I said those views were ridiculous and make those who state them look ridiculous, at best.
And I don't think those views or the people who stated them are ridiculous at all. I don't agree with everything they said but I see where they're coming from.
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RMartinez:
favoritething:
parlance:
Michelley:
Where did I say you had to like the results of the McKanye collaboration? Oh that's right. I didn't. When I called it a smart decision on Paul's part -- which it was: a smart, brave, and interesting artistic decision that produced great results musically and commercially -- I was expressing MY opinion. Who else's opinion would I be expressing in my post? I certainly wasn't criticizing people for NOT liking Only Me or Four Five Seconds. What is bizarre is your suggestion that liking those tracks is somehow blind gushing. Look, I think Tug of War is an utter mediocrity, and Pipes of Peace is worse. In fact I don't like any album Paul released from 1980 to 1994. But I shouldn't have to state and restate that just to satisfy your strange need to reduce my admiration of these McKanye songs to that lame old trope: "oh you're just a gushing fan who thinks Paul can do no wrong." I don't care if you don't like Kanye, rap, or any these McKanye songs. Different strokes. That wasn't my point. I was criticizing all the ridiculous comments I've seen -- here and elsewhere on the web from Beatles fans and McCartney fans -- dismissing Kanye entirely as an artist, calling him talentless, attacking rap music as a genre, or generally shrieking about how this collaboration is "destroying Paul's legacy." THOSE are the dubious hysterical assertions that make some of Paul's fans look, at the least, like cranky old fools.
Very well summarized. It certainly hasn't been only person on the board that's been guilty of overreacting. parlance
And whatever the opinions that people have about Paul's recent decisions, the facts are evident: His Grammy performance with Rihanna and Kanye got thunderous applause and sent the song into the Top 10. His Irving Plaza performance was a triumph, according to everyone I've heard. His SNL performance, while subpar vocally, also got thunderous applause and virtually no bad press. The only negative press result I could find in two pages of Google results was Spin magazine calling it "raspy" (but also praising Kanye's SNL performance as "show-stopping" and "a big standout"). And the after-party is regarded as a milestone event in all-star jamming. If I were Paul, I would not be worried about my legacy right now.
Sometimes it seems all Paul does is worry about his legacy.
I think the lyrics below prove your point - lol "Now everybody seems to have their own opinion Of Who did this and who did that But as for me I don't see how they can remember When they weren't where it was at [Chorus:] They can't take it from me, if they tried I lived through those early days"
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As I've observed in my Elvis fan-groups, there are two types of McCartney fans: -Those who hold him to the very artistic standard that the man himself established -Ass-kissing sycophants
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audi:
As I've observed in my Elvis fan-groups, there are two types of McCartney fans: -Those who hold him to the very artistic standard that the man himself established -Ass-kissing sycophants
Gee, thanks.
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There could be a gray-area, but this forum seems to have the two extremes. I'm a proud member of the first camp.
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audi:
As I've observed in my Elvis fan-groups, there are two types of McCartney fans: -Those who hold him to the very artistic standard that the man himself established -Ass-kissing sycophants
And those in between. ;-D Seriously, though, those of us who post on message boards and other social media are just a microcosm of fans in general. In truth, we run the gamut. parlance
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I have kissed his (j)azz (album).
Excuse me while I kiss the sky, sang Jimi Hendrix.
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There's a group that criticizes Paul's choices and then another group who seem personally offended and angry - that's the group I don't get.
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Offended and angry... ...more like slighted and disappointed.
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McCartney is so whimsical with his muscial directions. The good thing in the long run is that the results one likes have a tendency to make up for those you don't like.
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HaileyMcComet:
Paul McCartney is probably the greatest entertainer alive today. Typing up his resume would take all day. Since he's been doing his thing longer than a lot of us have been alive, he's going to have fans from practically every generation of the last century - and now this century. His oldest fans were born before LPs existed. His youngest fans were born in the age of digital downloads. He has fans all over the world. We come in all shapes, sizes, races, religions, mental acuities, social handicaps and rational deviance. I've been told that even people who read books are welcome here. You can't have such a diverse fan base without having fans that are going to disagree with each other over pretty much everything. Maybe everyone at the Andrew Ridgeley message board is going to agree on Wake Me Up Before You Go-Go, but nothing Paul ever does is going to be heralded by all of his fans. Some are too stuck in the past to think anything will ever compare with The Beatles or Band on the Run or wherever their preference lies. Some will only see his work through rainbow glasses, with everything he sneezes becoming an artistic masterpiece. Most are probably somewhere in the middle. And you know what? Not to sound like Stuart Smalley, but that's ok. Paul has never demanded that all of his fans share the same opinions on every subject. I don't think he'd be Paul if he did. When it comes to censoring people on the internet, this site is pretty lenient. Paul McCartney and his bands have changed the world in more ways than any artist alive today that I can think of. His music tears into our hearts and helps us see the world with more optimism and love than any beer commercial during the Super Bowl could ever imagine. The world may or may not be falling apart, and all the pain and suffering in your life might be more than you think you can handle, but no matter what's going on around us, every single one of us can play whatever period Paul music we prefer and feel better about life. As Voltaire once said, "I may not agree with your choice of Paul setlists, but I'll defend to the death your right to hear it." I might be paraphrasing. Paul's good enough, he's smart enough, and doggone it, people like him.
I guess you meant 33 1/3 LPs?
(invented in 194
http://lprecord.umwblogs.org/history/invention/ Of course prior to that were the 78s (had to throw a boatload of them away when I cleaned out my Dad's house in Ohio) P.S. I loved your post Hailey!
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audi:
There could be a gray-area, but this forum seems to have the two extremes. I'm a proud member of the first camp.
And this is the man who's all excited about opening the "Hope For The Future" vinyl 12"??
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Hendrix Ibsen:
McCartney is so whimsical with his muscial directions. The good thing in the long run is that the results one likes have a tendency to make up for those you don't like.
Quite true.
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favoritething:
audi:
There could be a gray-area, but this forum seems to have the two extremes. I'm a proud member of the first camp.
And this is the man who's all excited about opening the "Hope For The Future" vinyl 12"??
Thrash Mix kicks ass.
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audi:
favoritething:
audi:
There could be a gray-area, but this forum seems to have the two extremes. I'm a proud member of the first camp.
And this is the man who's all excited about opening the "Hope For The Future" vinyl 12"??
Thrash Mix kicks ass.
I'm also a member of the first camp Audi! Mt fav mixes are the Mirwais mix and the Beat Mix...
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so let's have the a$$ kissers step to the side...