Only One- new song by Kanye West, featuring Paul
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tugofpeace:
I agree..."All Day" is the best single that McCartney has had since the early 70's when he still had an edge. Here is to hoping that he stays on the path of hip hop and industrial music for the rest of his career!~
Paul's best single since the early 70s? LOL
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oobu24:
Nancy R:
Newfan:
I could not even listen to the song long enough to get to Paul's part. Since Im a newbie I will refrain from climbing on my soapbox. But I will say dang how many times is Kanye going to use the N word. I will leave it at that.
I'm with you! Is there someplace where you can actually fast-forward to the end part where Paul whistles and sings?
Try this
Didn't work.
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oobu24:
tugofpeace:
I agree..."All Day" is the best single that McCartney has had since the early 70's when he still had an edge. Here is to hoping that he stays on the path of hip hop and industrial music for the rest of his career!~
Paul's best single since the early 70s? LOL
tugofpeace is either Macca himself or deluded!
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Nancy R:
oobu24:
Nancy R:
Newfan:
I could not even listen to the song long enough to get to Paul's part. Since Im a newbie I will refrain from climbing on my soapbox. But I will say dang how many times is Kanye going to use the N word. I will leave it at that.
I'm with you! Is there someplace where you can actually fast-forward to the end part where Paul whistles and sings?
Try this
Didn't work.
http://goodfellamedia.com/2015/02/kanye-west-all-day-uncensored.html
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oobu24:
Nancy R:
oobu24:
Nancy R:
Newfan:
I could not even listen to the song long enough to get to Paul's part. Since Im a newbie I will refrain from climbing on my soapbox. But I will say dang how many times is Kanye going to use the N word. I will leave it at that.
I'm with you! Is there someplace where you can actually fast-forward to the end part where Paul whistles and sings?
Try this
Didn't work.
http://goodfellamedia.com/2015/02/kanye-west-all-day-uncensored.html
Removed due to a DMCA complaint! :
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Michelley:
It's not a gimmick. It's the way black rap artists have long been taking a perjorative word and making it their own. It's similar to the way gay activists in the 80s and 90s took the word "queer," which had long been a slur hurled at gay people, and began using the word themselves. They reclaimed the word from the anti-gay crowd. Now you have academic departments at universities with "queer studies" programs. This use of the N word in rap music is the same thing and it's nothing new for Kanye or for rap. It's a continuing effort to take the word out of the hands of racists, twist its meaning, and rob it of its power to hurt. I think Kanye's repetitive use of it in All Day is obviously part of that. I'm probably not explaining this well and I'm not black so its a word I would never use or even feel comfortable singing. But it doesn't bother me at all to hear Kanye twist the meaning of a slur in a rap song. If he's making you uncomfortable by repeating it so much, I think that's exactly what he's trying to do.
I'm sure everyone understands your explanation - at least it made perfect sense to me - but there's an enormous difference between queer and the word that white people aren't allowed to say. Queer has a meaning that has nothing to do with offending anyone. I ate some bad dumplings and now I feel queer. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to switch teams. The word that only rappers and black comedians can use never had any meaning other than to hurt and suppress people.
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RMartinez:
In ten years we will read bios on McCartney and they will say something like, "Then, for reasons unknown, in 2015 McCartney decided to collaborate with some hip hop performers whose names have since been forgotten. By 2016, he returned to his true passions and produced his best pop and rock CD since NEW, which today are rare collector's items."
Are you saying Paul's CDs will be rare in 10 years?
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HaileyMcComet:
Michelley:
It's not a gimmick. It's the way black rap artists have long been taking a perjorative word and making it their own. It's similar to the way gay activists in the 80s and 90s took the word "queer," which had long been a slur hurled at gay people, and began using the word themselves. They reclaimed the word from the anti-gay crowd. Now you have academic departments at universities with "queer studies" programs. This use of the N word in rap music is the same thing and it's nothing new for Kanye or for rap. It's a continuing effort to take the word out of the hands of racists, twist its meaning, and rob it of its power to hurt. I think Kanye's repetitive use of it in All Day is obviously part of that. I'm probably not explaining this well and I'm not black so its a word I would never use or even feel comfortable singing. But it doesn't bother me at all to hear Kanye twist the meaning of a slur in a rap song. If he's making you uncomfortable by repeating it so much, I think that's exactly what he's trying to do.
I'm sure everyone understands your explanation - at least it made perfect sense to me - but there's an enormous difference between queer and the word that white people aren't allowed to say. Queer has a meaning that has nothing to do with offending anyone. I ate some bad dumplings and now I feel queer. That doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to switch teams. The word that only rappers and black comedians can use never had any meaning other than to hurt and suppress people.
Oh, "queer" was absolutely used as an insult for quite some time, and I'm sure it still is, in some places. I'm a gay man, so I know something about this. Perhaps it's more of an American thing, and it's not as bad as the n-word, for sure, but it definitely has a similar history here. I don't know anyone in the U.S. who would use "queer" in the sense you describe, as in just a funny feeling, or something just a bit odd.
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RMartinez:
There's a lot of coattail riding going on in all directions with these songs. So unnecessary. It won't hurt McCartney's legacy. But it certainly won't help it. In ten years we will read bios on McCartney and they will say something like, "Then, for reasons unknown, in 2015 McCartney decided to collaborate with some hip hop performers whose names have since been forgotten. By 2016, he returned to his true passions and produced his best pop and rock CD since NEW, which today are rare collector's items."
It's almost like Kanye West is a brand new artist and hasn't been making critically acclaimed albums for ten years.
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brettb3:
RMartinez:
There's a lot of coattail riding going on in all directions with these songs. So unnecessary. It won't hurt McCartney's legacy. But it certainly won't help it. In ten years we will read bios on McCartney and they will say something like, "Then, for reasons unknown, in 2015 McCartney decided to collaborate with some hip hop performers whose names have since been forgotten. By 2016, he returned to his true passions and produced his best pop and rock CD since NEW, which today are rare collector's items."
It's almost like Kanye West is a brand new artist and hasn't been making critically acclaimed albums for ten years.
Yes, and it's not like people who have liked Kanye for this long are suddenly going to forget about him, especially when he's been so critically acclaimed. People tend to stick with the music from their youth, and then they get older and write the (music) history books to reflect their experience. (And no, I don't mean Justin Bieber, because he is not critically acclaimed.)
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favoritething:
Oh, "queer" was absolutely used as an insult for quite some time, and I'm sure it still is, in some places. I'm a gay man, so I know something about this. Perhaps it's more of an American thing, and it's not as bad as the n-word, for sure, but it definitely has a similar history here. I don't know anyone in the U.S. who would use "queer" in the sense you describe, as in just a funny feeling, or something just a bit odd.
I can't write a book about the etymology of the word, but I'm pretty sure its dictionary definition precedes the insult definition. My point was that it had and has another meaning. The other word doesn't - as far as I know.
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HaileyMcComet:
favoritething:
Oh, "queer" was absolutely used as an insult for quite some time, and I'm sure it still is, in some places. I'm a gay man, so I know something about this. Perhaps it's more of an American thing, and it's not as bad as the n-word, for sure, but it definitely has a similar history here. I don't know anyone in the U.S. who would use "queer" in the sense you describe, as in just a funny feeling, or something just a bit odd.
I can't write a book about the etymology of the word, but I'm pretty sure its dictionary definition precedes the insult definition. My point was that it had and has another meaning. The other word doesn't - as far as I know.
You're quite right, the original definition was not an insult, but it got used that way by people doing violent acts against gays for a good, long time. Fortunately, that situation has changed to an extent, but that was largely because of gays using the term in an empowering way, which is what blacks are attempting to do with the n-word... though I think it's going to take a very long time to neutralize that one.
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How long does it take to reverse a few hundred years' worth of genocide and the rape of an entire continent?
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HaileyMcComet:
How long does it take to reverse a few hundred years' worth of genocide and the rape of an entire continent?
Much longer, I agree, and there's a lot more anger and resentment in the people who have been called the n-word. I won't argue with that.
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Is there a release date for Kanye's CD? I believe it will include Only One, All Day and FourFiveSeconds.
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I wouldn't argue either side. I'm just trying to say that one of those words has a legitimate meaning. The other doesn't. I simply didn't make my point very well.
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HaileyMcComet:
I wouldn't argue either side. I'm just trying to say that one of those words has a legitimate meaning. The other doesn't. I simply didn't make my point very well.
No, I understand that, no worries.
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5th-beatle:
Is there a release date for Kanye's CD? I believe it will include Only One, All Day and FourFiveSeconds.
He has said it will not be announced. It will just come out as a surprise, as with Beyoncé and Drake's recent ones.
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toris:
[..] The "bitter" tone may not just be reserved for the "style" of music/talking, but even more so the distasteful and antagonistic lyrics.... and quite juvenile lyrics... Apparently Mr. K is in his late 30's.... I might be a purist, in the sense I've never really been into music or a movie or a television show that relied on profanity/an offensive nature as its chief differential... Give me the Marx Brothers (two generations removed), or Seinfeld or Get Smart (a generation removed) or Star Wars/Back to the Future/Raiders.... OR The Beatles.... they did not rely on profanities/the offensive.... when used in context, a profanity can be quite effective.... but, when it is used in ridiculous abundances, profanity/the offensive is a gimmick.... and divisive... and Mr. Kardashian is far proving himself a gimmick of the highest order.... Move over Tiny Tim.
Yeaaaaaah except that Kanye West is one of the most critically acclaimed artists of the last 20 years. The only "gimmick" are angry fans, who just can't seem to comprehend their own icons aren't with them on this subject, calling the artist mentioned by a different surname, in a last, childish attempt to use a stick to beat relevant artists.
RMartinez:
There's a lot of coattail riding going on in all directions with these songs. So unnecessary. It won't hurt McCartney's legacy. But it certainly won't help it. In ten years we will read bios on McCartney and they will say something like, "Then, for reasons unknown, in 2015 McCartney decided to collaborate with some hip hop performers whose names have since been forgotten. By 2016, he returned to his true passions and produced his best pop and rock CD since NEW, which today are rare collector's items."
I hope you are sarcastic. 'New' and other post-prime rock/pop outings will be nothing more than a foot note in his history. His natural collaboration with the most relevant artists of the current age will be not. If you think Kanye West is "some hip hop performer(s)" (?) I highly recommend to read the history books on this stadium status artist. His music is cemented in a whole generation of music listeners. The melody of 'When The Wind Is Blowing' would be lost if filed away on some Archive Release, or even on one of his own albums. How stunning is it that it's now part of one of the potentially best regarded releases of this decade, being played in clubs worldwide, broadcast on the highest levels and especially: reaching the current generation of music listeners for years to come. McCartney knows this, and keeps continuing in what he's doing since the late 50's: producing, collaborating, writing, performing. That's why I'm glad McCartney himself isn't as narrow-minded as some of his fans. But we went through that many times already over here. Nobody seemed to posted Kanye West's heartfelt interviews, his funny comments, even his excuses, in recent times alone. No, rather dig up some TMZ-links in a last straw to "prove a point", because how dare our baby boom hero working with extraordinary artists! Where's that collaboration album with Dave Grohl and Billy Joel we are waiting for and which will shock the world!?
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nobodytoldme:
toris:
[..] The "bitter" tone may not just be reserved for the "style" of music/talking, but even more so the distasteful and antagonistic lyrics.... and quite juvenile lyrics... Apparently Mr. K is in his late 30's.... I might be a purist, in the sense I've never really been into music or a movie or a television show that relied on profanity/an offensive nature as its chief differential... Give me the Marx Brothers (two generations removed), or Seinfeld or Get Smart (a generation removed) or Star Wars/Back to the Future/Raiders.... OR The Beatles.... they did not rely on profanities/the offensive.... when used in context, a profanity can be quite effective.... but, when it is used in ridiculous abundances, profanity/the offensive is a gimmick.... and divisive... and Mr. Kardashian is far proving himself a gimmick of the highest order.... Move over Tiny Tim.
Yeaaaaaah except that Kanye West is one of the most critically acclaimed artists of the last 20 years. The only "gimmick" are angry fans, who just can't seem to comprehend their own icons aren't with them on this subject, calling the artist mentioned by a different surname, in a last, childish attempt to use a stick to beat relevant artists.
RMartinez:
There's a lot of coattail riding going on in all directions with these songs. So unnecessary. It won't hurt McCartney's legacy. But it certainly won't help it. In ten years we will read bios on McCartney and they will say something like, "Then, for reasons unknown, in 2015 McCartney decided to collaborate with some hip hop performers whose names have since been forgotten. By 2016, he returned to his true passions and produced his best pop and rock CD since NEW, which today are rare collector's items."
I hope you are sarcastic. 'New' and other post-prime rock/pop outings will be nothing more than a foot note in his history. His natural collaboration with the most relevant artists of the current age will be not. If you think Kanye West is "some hip hop performer(s)" (?) I highly recommend to read the history books on this stadium status artist. His music is cemented in a whole generation of music listeners. The melody of 'When The Wind Is Blowing' would be lost if filed away on some Archive Release, or even on one of his own albums. How stunning is it that it's now part of one of the potentially best regarded releases of this decade, being played in clubs worldwide, broadcast on the highest levels and especially: reaching the current generation of music listeners for years to come. McCartney knows this, and keeps continuing in what he's doing since the late 50's: producing, collaborating, writing, performing. That's why I'm glad McCartney himself isn't as narrow-minded as some of his fans. But we went through that many times already over here. Nobody seemed to posted Kanye West's heartfelt interviews, his funny comments, even his excuses, in recent times alone. No, rather dig up some TMZ-links in a last straw to "prove a point", because how dare our baby boom hero working with extraordinary artists! Where's that collaboration album with Dave Grohl and Billy Joel we are waiting for and which will shock the world!?
You are confusing relevant with puff in the wind. As I said before, this won't hurt Paul's legacy, but it also won't help it either. Time will tell if you are right or I am right. Extraordinary artists? Now I hope you are being sarcastic.