'rock and roll' classics by lennon or 'run devil run' paul?
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kapoo:
That RDR clip is really good. you realize what a mouthful that song actually is to perform Paul's like a machine on it!
He wrote it Chuck Berry-style, and it's one of his best.
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I have to give it to John on this--I love the Rock and Roll album. I love John's vocals on Stand By Me. Slippin' and a Slidin' does rock, as does Ya Ya and Rip It Up/Ready Teddy. Yes, the production is dated with too many saxes, but at the time it came out, it was awesome. I can get past that and just focus on John's voice, one of the all-time ripping rock voices. Not to take away from RDR, I love it as well. Maybe it is that nostalgia thing--my favorite Paul albums are all from the 70s (when I was a teenager) too.
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Thanks Kapoo for those extraordinary poems inspired by John and Paul I'm very sure Paul was proud when he read those. I could relate to your post you just made, bun, very well spoken
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I think both Pauls Run Devil Run, and John's Rocknroll are both top notch.. Lennons has slicker production, McCartneys is recorded more in the early style...just live...maybe one overdub for a solo or something.... so they are very different in that sense.. Lennon's album is layered with much more overdubbing. and Ironically more modern recording equipment, even though it was recorded decades earlier... Paul used the vintage recording gear.. God I am a huge, Lennon fan... I mean huge,,, But in all fairness if I had to pick... I'd have to give the nod to Macca because, his Versions of "ALL SHOOK UP" NO OTHER BABY" and "BROWN EYED HANDSOME MAN" are just too cool... and "LONESOME TOWN" also now in fairness ask me next week, maybe I'll change my mind.. Both very very good albums... as a rule I dont like covers albums at all.. But.... Now as for Choba CCCP.... I find that album to be just Eh,
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whobeatle:
Lennons has slicker production, McCartneys is recorded more in the early style...just live...maybe one overdub for a solo or something.... so they are very different in that sense.. Lennon's album is layered with much more overdubbing. and Ironically more modern recording equipment, even though it was recorded decades earlier... Paul used the vintage recording gear..
Is that true that Rock n Roll employed more overdubbing than RDR? because of the horns? I?m supposing that might require more overdubs actually, interesting. I still kind of like Choba better than RDR these days, I can?t explain it! I know it sounds muffled basically compared to RDR.. but great songs, and his band is really tight on it too for such a live recording. plus I have the vinyl so I listen to it more.. Is that Choba band basically the same band that did FITD and toured? They played well live together, a lot of good complimentary stuff. I wonder, was RDR anywhere near the straight live recording set up as Choba? Did Choba have any overdubs? What about that highend guitar on Don?t Get Around Much Anymore? otherwise thats just some badass playing, as a band. Plus I like the idea of Paul wanting to knock off a quick album for the folks of the USSR! just something cool about the inspiration there. Thanks again Susy for the nice compliments
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I mean does it really get any more rock n roll, than Rock N Roll. That album boy, you are getting one of the all-time greats, mad and ready to transcend. A reinvention of rock n roll. Like only Lennon can do them. Or using the songs the way they were meant to be used. To go wild on. JL just has those songs internalized fully, throwing all caution to the wind, along with any ambition to follow the original to a tee really, unless it happened to mesh with his own vision of it.. but just really feelingg his way through them. Hm.. Gonna rip it up Gonna rock it up Gonna shake it up Gonna ball it up Gonna rock in up And ball tonight Pegy sue Peggy sue Pretty pretty pretty pretty peggy sue Uh-ho peggy my p-peggy su-hoo hoo oo-ha-oo-oo-oo-ooo oh but tomorrow morning she?s gonna have to change her trend become sweet sixteen-uh and back in claaaass again because they?re rockin in New York. slippin and a sliddin beepin and a hidin been told a long time ago hey baby hurry don?t make me worry no no. hey baby hurry don?t make me worry no no. you know daddy loves oh sing about it yeah yeah hey hey its gotta be rock roll music if you wanna dance with me. (that one wasn?t on the album ) oh na na stand by me
(Lennon?s voice was shot in that clip. A la fresh off screaming w Nilsson. ) I figured if I was going to bump it Susy, I had to bring something to the table. That song Ya Ya has totally grown on me. I love it now, sort of because its short and sweet. It fades out at exactly the right time for me. Good call Spector. -
I like both love doris
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I thought you wanted to review every single song on John's album, Kapoo. You've covered a few, but not each one. It's alright if you don't, though.
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Seminal rock force undone and gone from god to villain original good vibes refracted through his manic prism nothing stands between our vinyl and that spacious room where demons roamed unlocked and rocked and rolled by the light of a silvery moon
http://npknet.com/images/Jackvynil/8509upload135.jpg I just dig that prism through which the rox refracting on Rock n Roll. No one does it like that. I have to leave it at that for now Susy.. I may roll with some others if the inspiration catches me right. This morning its Bony Moronie .. otherwise trying to come up with one for all of them on the spot takes too long. when they are inspired more they tend to fly! -
thanks for that kapoo, cool I will give more of my impression of "Run Devil Run" songs in here, when I get time and inspiration
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Here?s another one that just popped! out enjoy a listen! You Can?t Catch Me
And we walk And we walk along with the bounce of a Berry to spring a tune full of Spector John?s Ronnie to sing Put your foot on the tank and begin to roll Gone like the coupe he sang we?re cuh-hum-ming home Was a custom made rockin hide away wing pushing on buttons you can hear anything Oh the winds come together alright in a deliciously frenzied stew the law giving chase in delight but they for the life of them can?t catch you. (sorry, I know this became a game I began playing with myself a long time ago and now its decending into drivel ) when in doubt post a pic I?ll start on Paul at somepoint. Give er time. Susy, when are you changing the thread title to random gibberish inspired by RDR and RNR? kidding, you don't have to do that. but would sum up my posting accurately -
kapoo:
Here?s another one that just popped! out enjoy a listen! You Can?t Catch Me
...Cool track!
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audi:
kapoo:
Here?s another one that just popped! out enjoy a listen! You Can?t Catch Me
...Cool track!
that it is my friend, that it is now get moving will ya, want to get you back in the studio! don't mean to rush you out the door or anything
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Beatles4Ever&Ever:
The problem for me with John's solo album was that when he did standard rock n' roll songs with the Beatles, such as the Larry Williams stuff, he really seemed to understand how those songs should sound and all that "understanding" seemed gone. (Maybe it was becasue they were not really oldies to him when he performed/recorded them with the Beatles.) It was pure instinct. On his own solo rock 'n roll album in the mid 70s, all that instinct seemed to have disappeared. They had become oldies to him and he didn't seem to know how to perform them. And of course, Phil Spector was there to weigh everything down, which didn't help matters. There was a distinct lack of energy. And his voice didn't seem up to it on several songs. I thought, for example, he sounded very raspy on "Stand By Me." He was straining to reach notes. He never would have sounded like that had he recorded that song when he was with the Beatles. The whole solo venture was a disappointment to me.
That's the irony, when he was a much-derided moptop, he could rock out his vocals, now he couldn't really. I have to say, I only 'got' Stand by Me when I heard the original.
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Inspector Sands:
Beatles4Ever&Ever:
The problem for me with John's solo album was that when he did standard rock n' roll songs with the Beatles, such as the Larry Williams stuff, he really seemed to understand how those songs should sound and all that "understanding" seemed gone. (Maybe it was becasue they were not really oldies to him when he performed/recorded them with the Beatles.) It was pure instinct. On his own solo rock 'n roll album in the mid 70s, all that instinct seemed to have disappeared. They had become oldies to him and he didn't seem to know how to perform them. And of course, Phil Spector was there to weigh everything down, which didn't help matters. There was a distinct lack of energy. And his voice didn't seem up to it on several songs. I thought, for example, he sounded very raspy on "Stand By Me." He was straining to reach notes. He never would have sounded like that had he recorded that song when he was with the Beatles. The whole solo venture was a disappointment to me.
That's the irony, when he was a much-derided moptop, he could rock out his vocals, now he couldn't really. I have to say, I only 'got' Stand by Me when I heard the original.
Uh yes, I?m going to have to go ahead and sort of.. disagree with you both on that. The music on Rock n Roll is more instinctive than those covers he sang with the Beatles IMO. The covers in the Beatles days were done to sound more true to the original version, more self teaching the parts and wanting to be able to play the songs true to form. Instincts more or less were being held in check in a way. At least on the records. But when I listen back to John?s early Beatle vocals and compare with what I hear on RnR, Beatles can almost sound careful and safely calculated. Which is sweet, I mean its all sweet none the less, and you don?t want every album to sound like Rock n Roll obviously.. but IMO Spector just lined John up with tracks that he knew John would kill on.. killer tracks actually, and John just brought the house down. The spector tracks are the best ones; Sweet Little Sixteen, Bonie Maroney, You Can?t Catch Me.. but John?s are great too. It?s like a perfect storm I think. You have to have a certain type of artist going through a certain type of personal struggle, combining different inspiring elements, and tons of vocal talent and a passion for those songs, just going 100% on instincts. however I suppose I could understand someone not enjoying those particular Lennon instincts..
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I think John's vocals on Rock 'n Roll are awesome!
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Cyllthain:
I think John's vocals on Rock 'n Roll are awesome!
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Was just listening to RDR, awesome lyric from Paul in What It Is, which is a great song. You know I love you so much I could never do without your touch I?m like a busy honey bee I?m always hungry for it how can anyone ignore it surely everybody must agree Think about John doing ?Coquette? I think he would have killed on that one! Sounds like that arrangement could have been on RnR. Just needed some horns working around that bassline btw I absolutely love Paul on Movie Magg. John couldn't touch him on that. Paul's masterful on it, not many could pull that off.
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I personally feel that Lennon's Rock 'n' Roll album fell victim to the over production of the 70s. It would have been a lot better minus all the extra bells and whistles, especially the brass. It's rock 'n' roll. Keep it simple. I love Run Devil Run. It was a very tough time for Paul, and he channeled it well.
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Magical Mystery Girl:
I personally feel that Lennon's Rock 'n' Roll album fell victim to the over production of the 70s. It would have been a lot better minus all the extra bells and whistles, especially the brass. It's rock 'n' roll. Keep it simple. I love Run Devil Run. It was a very tough time for Paul, and he channeled it well.