Could the new Kanye/McCartney single All Day be his best?
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RMartinez:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I will not claim me to be a specialist in hip hop, I'm more melody than rhythm, so it is not the genre I've heard the most, but still a bit .. and it is a style of music with its own language, I think it's very direct, not only the n ord, but words like bitch and mother*****... you hear it all the time, a choice of words that you might not hear so often in pop and rock, but which now pops up in a McCartney association, because he is experimenting with a fushion of McCartney and the hip hop of Kanye West.
I don't want to hear those words in music either. I mean, to say "ain't it a bitch" is one thing, but to call a woman that in a recording is disgusting and I look down on it. I don't care what the cultural context is. That is an element of culture worth losing. Like beating a woman. Yes, it used to be culturally acceptable. So what? It needs to go away.
I agree, the use of the term bitch in this way is equally offensive, indicative of sexist views, and insensitive to the issue of violence against women. Thank you for bringing that up.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Are youth now so narrowminded that you have be a 17 year old artist to captivate a 17 year old listener, or is it a narrow view of them?
The latter. Old people have been underestimating young people for a very long time.
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favoritething:
Ha, found it!
George Burns doesn't sing, he just introduces it, and I couldn't find Mickey Rooney, though he's supposedly there somewhere. More like a Disney tribute to Hollywood. Wow, I'll bet a lot of people wish we could go back to this kind of show, come to think of it!I sure do. That was great.
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RMartinez:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I will not claim me to be a specialist in hip hop, I'm more melody than rhythm, so it is not the genre I've heard the most, but still a bit .. and it is a style of music with its own language, I think it's very direct, not only the n ord, but words like bitch and mother*****... you hear it all the time, a choice of words that you might not hear so often in pop and rock, but which now pops up in a McCartney association, because he is experimenting with a fushion of McCartney and the hip hop of Kanye West.
I don't want to hear those words in music either. I mean, to say "ain't it a bitch" is one thing, but to call a woman that in a recording is disgusting and I look down on it. I don't care what the cultural context is. That is an element of culture worth losing. Like beating a woman. Yes, it used to be culturally acceptable. So what? It needs to go away.
They should take those albums off the shelves. They already have to put warnings on them. If you can't SAY these words why can they SING them?
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oobu24:
RMartinez:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I will not claim me to be a specialist in hip hop, I'm more melody than rhythm, so it is not the genre I've heard the most, but still a bit .. and it is a style of music with its own language, I think it's very direct, not only the n ord, but words like bitch and mother*****... you hear it all the time, a choice of words that you might not hear so often in pop and rock, but which now pops up in a McCartney association, because he is experimenting with a fushion of McCartney and the hip hop of Kanye West.
I don't want to hear those words in music either. I mean, to say "ain't it a bitch" is one thing, but to call a woman that in a recording is disgusting and I look down on it. I don't care what the cultural context is. That is an element of culture worth losing. Like beating a woman. Yes, it used to be culturally acceptable. So what? It needs to go away.
They should take those albums off the shelves. They already have to put warnings on them. If you can't SAY these words why can they SING them?
Yup.
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Well, I'm not so easily offended by ugly words, I don't think it should be required that someone will call me A Flower, if they don't think I am. I stay neutral to words in hip hop, because I have no options. I don't want to be the no no moralist, don't say this, don't do that. I can only "review" the song.
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audi:
I grew up in the south, and I went to school with and had many, many white friends. It amused me more than it did anger me when a friend's dad would greet me with the occasional "What's happenin', my brother?." I knew that they were trying to, let's ay, relate. But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised.
"But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised" IMO - McCartney being on this record is just as bad because it is like he approves of it being used and he is a white man. I also think this is amazing from the man who tells us the story of the song "Blackbird" being about the Civil Rights struggle and then finds it no problem "rolling with it" while songs says the term not once but many times.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Well, I'm not so easily offended by ugly words, I don't think it should be required that someone will call me A Flower, if they don't think I am. I stay neutral to words in hip hop, because I have no options. I don't want to be the no no moralist, don't say this, don't do that. I can only "review" the song.
For me, it's a choice. I won't listen to it. I certainly won't buy it. Mostly I'm not buying it because it sucks.
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Yes, I think it's a better choice than banning. It's "just music", but also freedom of expression. One can of course use words to get attention, like 'all publicity is good publicity'. I like to think that I am able to hear this, when someone uses words like a gimmick, and just ignore it. if someone calls me an asshole, and there is no reason for it, it has the opposite effect in a way. Each word has many different meanings, depending on how one reads it. And in what contexts it is used.
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audi:
I'm no Kanye fan, but he's going to be a perennial fixture in pop culture.
But will he be remembered and lauded in 50 years? I hope not!
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The Beatles arrive in London: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/The_Beatles_arrive_at_Schiphol_Airport_1964-06-05_-_Crowd_916-5134.jpg Kanye West arrives in New York: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/09/2583A51800000578-2946217-image-m-42_1423503658159.jpg NOT the same. NOT even close.
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RMartinez:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I will not claim me to be a specialist in hip hop, I'm more melody than rhythm, so it is not the genre I've heard the most, but still a bit .. and it is a style of music with its own language, I think it's very direct, not only the n ord, but words like bitch and mother*****... you hear it all the time, a choice of words that you might not hear so often in pop and rock, but which now pops up in a McCartney association, because he is experimenting with a fushion of McCartney and the hip hop of Kanye West.
I don't want to hear those words in music either. I mean, to say "ain't it a bitch" is one thing, but to call a woman that in a recording is disgusting and I look down on it. I don't care what the cultural context is. That is an element of culture worth losing. Like beating a woman. Yes, it used to be culturally acceptable. So what? It needs to go away.
Any words or expression that degrades another person is not ok,even under the guise of "art".
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But where should the limit be set? Everything is degrading for some. You can take away the words you don't like, but what offends the next one... My brother smoke. Years ago he could sit anywhere and lit up a cigarette. Then the banning begins... soon he must run into the woods and hide, it never ends.... It's become the hip new thing to be the party pooper. I'll leave this discussion now, it's kind of interesting, but....
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Shawn:
I tend to agree more with Spike Lee. The term is degrading and dehumanizing no matter who uses it. We should remember the history of the word, I think. He showed this effectively in the film Bamboozled. I'm not trying to stir up unnecessary debate, or get off topic, but I find this new song simplistic, sensationalist, and from a songwriting/recording perspective, downright dreadful. Just my two cents...
I need to check out that film. And this latest song is crap. Period.
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RMartinez:
The Beatles arrive in London: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d2/The_Beatles_arrive_at_Schiphol_Airport_1964-06-05_-_Crowd_916-5134.jpg Kanye West arrives in New York: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/02/09/2583A51800000578-2946217-image-m-42_1423503658159.jpg NOT the same. NOT even close.
Can somebody pleeeeeease tell me why his wife gets mobbed by fans in public more often than not? What is her actual talent that warrants her fame? What does she do other than simply exist? Have I missed something -- or are too many of my fellow Americans just that stupid?
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yankeefan7:
audi:
I grew up in the south, and I went to school with and had many, many white friends. It amused me more than it did anger me when a friend's dad would greet me with the occasional "What's happenin', my brother?." I knew that they were trying to, let's ay, relate. But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised.
"But, no -- white folks using the "n-word" (in either incarnation) directly at black folks is ill-advised" IMO - McCartney being on this record is just as bad because it is like he approves of it being used and he is a white man. I also think this is amazing from the man who tells us the story of the song "Blackbird" being about the Civil Rights struggle and then finds it no problem "rolling with it" while songs says the term not once but many times.
Lets not forget Lennon used the word in the title of a single in 1972, no less, before hip hop existed.
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And if I'd known Lennon back when he was on The D-i-c-k Cavett Show (was I alive then?), I would've been one of his black friends that he said got the point to that song.
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Going back to start and read what the one who posted this thread ask, makes me wonder if this is just a joke? is this song an official West/McCartney release or have someone just made an amateur edit with a random McCartney outtake mixed in at the end?
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I think the mods would've advised by now, if this were bogus -- especially with such a polarizing term in the song.
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Yeah, if not exactly his best since "Jet" then maybe his most controversial since "Hi Hi Hi" or "Give Ireland Back to the Irish"? I believe those two songs specifically were banned from radio play. I don't think I can remember the last time someone was offended by the contents (and/or context?) of a Paul McCartney song?