And now the time is near....
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SusyLuvsPaul:
Thanks for the vote of support, Denny C (btw, I know how you feel, about several things). Paul needs more (and already has a gazillion, I'm sure) of "Elvis Lovin' Type fans." The sort who just love love love Paul McCartney (and who doesn't love love?) no matter what, and also love and adore to see him having a ball. He looked so good at the Olympics thing, and I'm told despite various joyless nit pickin' reports that he sounded fine, too, for the most part. So what's the big wup? Put a little love in your hearts, people! Try to scrounge up some Luv Macca isn't hard at all to love. You might scratch your noggin in wonderment and mystification now and then, but that's part of the charm.
Susy you know I lurve ya to bits but I've deffo got to have some of what you're having hunni - Paul didn't sound fine at the Olympics, go listen to Hey Jude 68 - Hey Jude 90's & even Hey Jude early oo's then listen to Hey Jude 12 - I'm not going to butter this up - it was the worst Hey Jude I've ever heard Paul sing. If he had got away with miming the song I can only imagine what like it would have been on here - people would have been saying he was brilliant - The End sounded bloody fantastic but that was by my estimation recorded 10 years ago - I sat waiting and hoping Paul would kick ass, even now I wish the mime recording had worked just to give Paul some cred back after the below par Olympic fiasco. I actually respect you're undying support and love for Paul - its you're thing and no one will ever take that away from you, for someone like me who has been a McCartney fan all my life it saddens me to see him struggle live - I don't want to see him ridiculed in the newspapers or being the butt of jokes on tv shows, but i'm afraid this will get a whole lot worse unless he either sings songs he can still cope with or bows out of touring altogether - it was brilliant when he started touring again, many have mentioned its went on to long and he needs to give it a rest - The Beatles tribute show is old hat, the reviews were out of this world at the beginning, now they are somewhat diluted, don't believe the spin you get on the new site, go listen to the jubilee & olympic gigs with a open mind and tell me honestly Paul sounded fine.
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Macsback:
It was brilliant when he started touring again, many have mentioned its went on to long and he needs to give it a rest - The Beatles tribute show is old hat, the reviews were out of this world at the beginning, now they are somewhat diluted.
Actually the reviews of his recent concerts weren't diluted at all. His December concert in London got 4-star and 5-star reviews in nearly every British paper including the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/06/paul-mccartney-review), the Times (behind a pay wall but it was 5 stars), and the Sun, among others. Even the Daily Mail ran a story on December 23, 2011, that was headlined: The greatest musician on the planet: An awestruck JAN MOIR joins 69-year-old Paul McCartney as he completes an exhausting world tour Here's the link to the story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2078228/The-greatest-musician-planet-An-awestruck-JAN-MOIR-joins-69-year-old-Paul-McCartney-completes-exhausting-world-tour.html#ixzz22L0nH8Y6 It's only been 7 months since that December show. He lost his voice, and went from great to mediocre, in 7 months???? So what's changed? Given such stellar reviews, why should Paul think there wouldn't be more of the same? Why should he expect that seven months later, the same papers would be shouting at him to retire? There were three problems though, as I see it: (1) As has been the case for several years -- his voice always sounds better in a concert setting than it does on TV. We all know that and have talked about it endlessly. (2) People in the UK were already beginning to complain of Beatle Fatigue (ever since the remasters in 2009). And Paul Fatigue (the touring, the divorce and the remarriage, etc.) He's been in the news pretty constantly for years now. (3) He hasn't looked good in awhile. And yes it's mostly the dyed hair. People who want to like him nonetheless find that dyed hair embarrassing, to say nothing of the haters. Given all that, the avalanche of criticism he's received this week was pre-ordained. The stories reporting that he was going to be at both the Jubilee and the Olympics were filled with really harsh comments well before both events. I read them. The typical reaction was "Oh god not Hey Jude AGAIN?" Anyone with an ounce of sense would have known that the Jubilee and the Olympics carried far more risk for him than reward. Doing one was risky enough. Doing both was asking for trouble. But Paul believes in himself, which has always been his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. And while we can partly blame his own hubris and ego here, the fact is: He didn't hire himself for these events. And yet I don't hear any of the Jubilee organizers or the Olympic organizers speaking up to defend him. I also blame a fickle press willing to turn on someone on a dime. But I will also say: The vast majority of the criticism was in the UK. The initial response in the US was far more positive -- it's just that now, the avalanche of criticism in the UK has begun to spill over. This is definitely going to have a negative effect on his next album sales and on any touring. (Not that he's going to want to tour in the UK any time soon.) As a Paul fan, I feel for the guy. On the other hand, I'm also kind of angry at him for letting this happen. I know it's really annoying to have posters here saying "I told you so." It doesn't really help. It's just that it's been a dreadful week to be a Paul fan. And it didn't have to be.
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I agree with some of what you said Michelley. The last tour were not that long ago and he has gotten rave reviews. So the call for retirement is a liittle overblown. Tv appearances not his strong suit. But he's an important man and he is asked. Not a bit of praise for being happy to be there. It's hardly his fault that the press covers ridiculous issues like the color his hair and marriage. He doesn't go out of his way to make himself available to the press. When he's not promoting anything he's very quiet. The same paper will turn on him the next day. CD sales will not be affected, they aren't great for the veteran artists, anyway. As for touring, word of mouth will spread, he is the great and they will be a success. I'm truly sorry people are sad to be fans this week. It wasn't his best performances. Yes they were in a row, and yes they were on worldwide tv. But with a career like Paul's it's not the end of the world certainly not his career. Not one person is under the illusion he sings Hey Jude like 1969, but his voice is still great/and different in concert. I'm always proud to be a fan. I don't judge him on one performance. If people will than there is nothing you can do about it.
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DennyC:
I agree with some of what you said Michelley. The last tour were not that long ago and he has gotten rave reviews. So the call for retirement is a liittle overblown. Tv appearances not his strong suit. But he's an important man and he is asked. Not a bit of praise for being happy to be there. It's hardly his fault that the press covers ridiculous issues like the color his hair and marriage. He doesn't go out of his way to make himself available to the press. When he's not promoting anything he's very quiet. The same paper will turn on him the next day. CD sales will not be affected, they aren't great for the veteran artists, anyway. As for touring, word of mouth will spread, he is the great and they will be a success. I'm truly sorry people are sad to be fans this week. It wasn't his best performances. Yes they were in a row, and yes they were on worldwide tv. But with a career like Paul's it's not the end of the world certainly not his career. Not one person is under the illusion he sings Hey Jude like 1969, but his voice is still great/and different in concert. I'm always proud to be a fan. I don't judge him on one performance. If people will than there is nothing you can do about it.
And apparently the people in the Olympic village were treated to an hour and a half Paul show, either the day of or day before opening ceremonies. They showed a bit on tv and the people there were very appreciative, so I honestly don't think that the public at large cares all that much about how Paul did on either of these shows. It was a few minutes, and it's done. Except for these boards people are more focused on the olympics. When Paul tours again or releases an album the buzz will be the same. But getting back to the tv appearances Paul also had the audacity to turn 70 between the two and I think that coupled with a less than stellar performance made this more of an issue than it ever would have been otherwise.
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Exactly, the rehearsals during the week were very well received. Paul is human and allowed a fumble every now and then. What is so great about him is he gets up and starts all over again. No moaning, just going forward.
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Adriana, I agree with you 100%
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All of this discussion about Olympics and The Jubilee shows makes me think that I'm crazy, because in both times find Paul was fine, many singers make live performances and make some mistakes, the sound was wrong or other kind of issues. Maybe Paul's fans have high expectations because in his gigs, they are not mistakes, it's always perfect sound and coordination. I can't understand to people who believe Paul have to sing like when he are 30 years old. Awake...please! is 2012 and is really amazing he still singing...and I hope he will do it for a long while. Some times the trees don't let the forest shows. In the big picture this "little" thing don't count.
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Adriana Rojas:
All of this discussion about Olympics and The Jubilee shows makes me think that I'm crazy, because in both times find Paul was fine, many singers make live performances and make some mistakes, the sound was wrong or other kind of issues. Maybe Paul's fans have high expectations because in his gigs, they are not mistakes, it's always perfect sound and coordination. I can't understand to people who believe Paul have to sing like when he are 30 years old. Awake...please! is 2012 and is really amazing he still singing...and I hope he will do it for a long while. Some times the trees don't let the forest shows. In the big picture this "little" thing don't count.
Your last line is the exact truth.
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Adriana, Thank you for that post. You aren't alone in your feelings
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I spoke to a couple people today and informed them of the goings on.. here What did you think of Paul at the Olympics..? One,.. he was fantastic!! clearly moved he was great! another freaking brilliant Paul McCartney's a genius,,.. is his voice gone? ( to all parties should he retire? ) NO! who would say such thing? Paul could sell out a 50,000 seat crowd right now....than ask them if he should retire or he doesn't have it anymore.. McCartney, people don't know what they're talking about etc etc.. ( won't post their other thoughts) how bout his voice? all parties..his voice is fine I asked 3 different people this same questions and the reaction was the same.. they were all excited.. he better not retire,.. his voice is fine .. people are jealous
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Macca Mad:
Unconditional love for Macca in everything he does, no matter what !!?? Thats hard enough to achieve with your nearest loved ones & kids, not a bloke you don' know No wonder he thinks they way he does if this is the line he's fed on a regular basis . And you can hear for yourself how un-fine he sounded, no need to rely on reports.
Exactly my point earlier, Macca Mad. I love Paul so much that I am honest about his shortcomings. He doesn't sound the same as he used to. He can't hit all of the high notes, or some notes consistently. This doesn't mean I don't like seeing him in concert, as I do. I know what I'm paying for, though, and I have an absolute blast when I see him. However, I don't want him doing more than a handful of shows a year, as he needs to save his voice for the studio where he makes the real magic. If someone if going to tell me that I'm not a real fan, or a good fan, because I'm being honest in expressing what I feel... :
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
Where's everyone getting this silly notion that the people on here don't love Paul? So some members didn't like his performance, so what! That means they don't love him!? Are your knees sore from jumping to conclusions?
I don't want to put a whole string of "I agree with this post" emoticons here, as that would be obnoxious. Just know that I actually pumped my fist in the air and said, "YES!" when I read this.
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harleyblues:
I spoke to a couple people today and informed them of the goings on.. here What did you think of Paul at the Olympics..? One,.. he was fantastic!! clearly moved he was great! another ****ing brilliant Paul McCartney's a genius,,.. is his voice gone? ( to all parties should he retire? ) NO! who would say such thing? Paul could sell out a 50,000 seat crowd right now....than ask them if he should retire or he doesn't have it anymore.. McCartney, people don't know what they're talking about etc etc.. ( won't post their other thoughts) how bout his voice? all parties..his voice is fine I asked 3 different people this same questions and the reaction was the same.. they were all excited.. he better not retire,.. his voice is fine .. people are jealous
Harley, many had that reaction. I'm not surprised to hear it.
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DennyC:
harleyblues:
I spoke to a couple people today and informed them of the goings on.. here What did you think of Paul at the Olympics..? One,.. he was fantastic!! clearly moved he was great! another ****ing brilliant Paul McCartney's a genius,,.. is his voice gone? ( to all parties should he retire? ) NO! who would say such thing? Paul could sell out a 50,000 seat crowd right now....than ask them if he should retire or he doesn't have it anymore.. McCartney, people don't know what they're talking about etc etc.. ( won't post their other thoughts) how bout his voice? all parties..his voice is fine I asked 3 different people this same questions and the reaction was the same.. they were all excited.. he better not retire,.. his voice is fine .. people are jealous
Harley, many had that reaction. I'm not surprised to hear it.
I wanted to get others reactions not associated with the board
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Michelley:
Macsback:
It was brilliant when he started touring again, many have mentioned its went on to long and he needs to give it a rest - The Beatles tribute show is old hat, the reviews were out of this world at the beginning, now they are somewhat diluted.
Actually the reviews of his recent concerts weren't diluted at all. His December concert in London got 4-star and 5-star reviews in nearly every British paper including the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/06/paul-mccartney-review), the Times (behind a pay wall but it was 5 stars), and the Sun, among others. Even the Daily Mail ran a story on December 23, 2011, that was headlined: The greatest musician on the planet: An awestruck JAN MOIR joins 69-year-old Paul McCartney as he completes an exhausting world tour Here's the link to the story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2078228/The-greatest-musician-planet-An-awestruck-JAN-MOIR-joins-69-year-old-Paul-McCartney-completes-exhausting-world-tour.html#ixzz22L0nH8Y6 It's only been 7 months since that December show. He lost his voice, and went from great to mediocre, in 7 months???? So what's changed? Given such stellar reviews, why should Paul think there wouldn't be more of the same? Why should he expect that seven months later, the same papers would be shouting at him to retire? There were three problems though, as I see it: (1) As has been the case for several years -- his voice always sounds better in a concert setting than it does on TV. We all know that and have talked about it endlessly. (2) People in the UK were already beginning to complain of Beatle Fatigue (ever since the remasters in 2009). And Paul Fatigue (the touring, the divorce and the remarriage, etc.) He's been in the news pretty constantly for years now. (3) He hasn't looked good in awhile. And yes it's mostly the dyed hair. People who want to like him nonetheless find that dyed hair embarrassing, to say nothing of the haters. Given all that, the avalanche of criticism he's received this week was pre-ordained. The stories reporting that he was going to be at both the Jubilee and the Olympics were filled with really harsh comments well before both events. I read them. The typical reaction was "Oh god not Hey Jude AGAIN?" Anyone with an ounce of sense would have known that the Jubilee and the Olympics carried far more risk for him than reward. Doing one was risky enough. Doing both was asking for trouble. But Paul believes in himself, which has always been his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. And while we can partly blame his own hubris and ego here, the fact is: He didn't hire himself for these events. And yet I don't hear any of the Jubilee organizers or the Olympic organizers speaking up to defend him. I also blame a fickle press willing to turn on someone on a dime. But I will also say: The vast majority of the criticism was in the UK. The initial response in the US was far more positive -- it's just that now, the avalanche of criticism in the UK has begun to spill over. This is definitely going to have a negative effect on his next album sales and on any touring. (Not that he's going to want to tour in the UK any time soon.) As a Paul fan, I feel for the guy. On the other hand, I'm also kind of angry at him for letting this happen. I know it's really annoying to have posters here saying "I told you so." It doesn't really help. It's just that it's been a dreadful week to be a Paul fan. And it didn't have to be.
Great post Michelley. You always seem to cover all the points. This week has been awful to be a Paul fan. Full stop. People out there are obviously tired of him, he is over exposed, he shouldn't have done either of these big concerts, not at this stage in his career. But I really don't understand the level of nastiness or savagery in the comments sections. He looks unhappy in his latest press pictures. So I think it is feeding back. I feel for him completely but he just needs to listen sometimes..
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lisalou7:
Michelley:
Macsback:
It was brilliant when he started touring again, many have mentioned its went on to long and he needs to give it a rest - The Beatles tribute show is old hat, the reviews were out of this world at the beginning, now they are somewhat diluted.
Actually the reviews of his recent concerts weren't diluted at all. His December concert in London got 4-star and 5-star reviews in nearly every British paper including the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2011/dec/06/paul-mccartney-review), the Times (behind a pay wall but it was 5 stars), and the Sun, among others. Even the Daily Mail ran a story on December 23, 2011, that was headlined: The greatest musician on the planet: An awestruck JAN MOIR joins 69-year-old Paul McCartney as he completes an exhausting world tour Here's the link to the story: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2078228/The-greatest-musician-planet-An-awestruck-JAN-MOIR-joins-69-year-old-Paul-McCartney-completes-exhausting-world-tour.html#ixzz22L0nH8Y6 It's only been 7 months since that December show. He lost his voice, and went from great to mediocre, in 7 months???? So what's changed? Given such stellar reviews, why should Paul think there wouldn't be more of the same? Why should he expect that seven months later, the same papers would be shouting at him to retire? There were three problems though, as I see it: (1) As has been the case for several years -- his voice always sounds better in a concert setting than it does on TV. We all know that and have talked about it endlessly. (2) People in the UK were already beginning to complain of Beatle Fatigue (ever since the remasters in 2009). And Paul Fatigue (the touring, the divorce and the remarriage, etc.) He's been in the news pretty constantly for years now. (3) He hasn't looked good in awhile. And yes it's mostly the dyed hair. People who want to like him nonetheless find that dyed hair embarrassing, to say nothing of the haters. Given all that, the avalanche of criticism he's received this week was pre-ordained. The stories reporting that he was going to be at both the Jubilee and the Olympics were filled with really harsh comments well before both events. I read them. The typical reaction was "Oh god not Hey Jude AGAIN?" Anyone with an ounce of sense would have known that the Jubilee and the Olympics carried far more risk for him than reward. Doing one was risky enough. Doing both was asking for trouble. But Paul believes in himself, which has always been his greatest strength and his greatest weakness. And while we can partly blame his own hubris and ego here, the fact is: He didn't hire himself for these events. And yet I don't hear any of the Jubilee organizers or the Olympic organizers speaking up to defend him. I also blame a fickle press willing to turn on someone on a dime. But I will also say: The vast majority of the criticism was in the UK. The initial response in the US was far more positive -- it's just that now, the avalanche of criticism in the UK has begun to spill over. This is definitely going to have a negative effect on his next album sales and on any touring. (Not that he's going to want to tour in the UK any time soon.) As a Paul fan, I feel for the guy. On the other hand, I'm also kind of angry at him for letting this happen. I know it's really annoying to have posters here saying "I told you so." It doesn't really help. It's just that it's been a dreadful week to be a Paul fan. And it didn't have to be.
Great post Michelley. You always seem to cover all the points. This week has been awful to be a Paul fan. Full stop. People out there are obviously tired of him, he is over exposed, he shouldn't have done either of these big concerts, not at this stage in his career. But I really don't understand the level of nastiness or savagery in the comments sections. He looks unhappy in his latest press pictures. So I think it is feeding back. I feel for him completely but he just needs to listen sometimes..
Good posts there, & yes he DOES need to listen, but will he ? I doubt it, he has this ego you see & it will say I'M PAUL McCARTNEY & after 50 years of that it must be hard to ignore it. I reckon it will be buisness as usual, back on a mini tour, same old stuff just to prove he can still do it, unfortunately I think this time his ego ( & vocals ) have let him down.
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walliebaby:
Macca Mad:
Unconditional love for Macca in everything he does, no matter what !!?? Thats hard enough to achieve with your nearest loved ones & kids, not a bloke you don' know No wonder he thinks they way he does if this is the line he's fed on a regular basis . And you can hear for yourself how un-fine he sounded, no need to rely on reports.
Exactly my point earlier, Macca Mad. I love Paul so much that I am honest about his shortcomings. He doesn't sound the same as he used to. He can't hit all of the high notes, or some notes consistently. This doesn't mean I don't like seeing him in concert, as I do. I know what I'm paying for, though, and I have an absolute blast when I see him. However, I don't want him doing more than a handful of shows a year, as he needs to save his voice for the studio where he makes the real magic. If someone if going to tell me that I'm not a real fan, or a good fan, because I'm being honest in expressing what I feel... :
I prefer him to touring in 2013 or 2014 if it helps him to make a new cd.
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Lazyd, really other opinions are nonsense. It's called difference of opinion. Many people feel this isn't the end of the line for Paul. The point some people are making is this has been going on for days, people feeling this is the end of his career. Sure it's a blip, but it will pass and Paul will move forward and so should we. suggestions, demands all have been made on how he should move forward. The time has come to pat him on the back and say, you have been great to us. What do you have for us next?
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Edith_gdl:
walliebaby:
Macca Mad:
Unconditional love for Macca in everything he does, no matter what !!?? Thats hard enough to achieve with your nearest loved ones & kids, not a bloke you don' know No wonder he thinks they way he does if this is the line he's fed on a regular basis . And you can hear for yourself how un-fine he sounded, no need to rely on reports.
Exactly my point earlier, Macca Mad. I love Paul so much that I am honest about his shortcomings. He doesn't sound the same as he used to. He can't hit all of the high notes, or some notes consistently. This doesn't mean I don't like seeing him in concert, as I do. I know what I'm paying for, though, and I have an absolute blast when I see him. However, I don't want him doing more than a handful of shows a year, as he needs to save his voice for the studio where he makes the real magic. If someone if going to tell me that I'm not a real fan, or a good fan, because I'm being honest in expressing what I feel... :
I prefer him to touring in 2013 or 2014 if it helps him to make a new cd.
I'm only for him touring for as long as he's up for it. He loves doing it, that's obvious, and some folks still want to see him, that's also obvious. I don't like the idea of depriving a 70-year old of joy but I also don't want him putting his health at risk.