And now the time is near....
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lazydynamite88:
dont mention the ryder cup!!!...it must hurt to be an american sports fan right now...your boys took one hell of a beating out there,,,tiger who????...i dont think ive ever witnessed such sporting brillance!!!...
Yer boys have a lot to be proud of LazyD. What a collapse on our side. But it was one hell of an event! Steve Stricker and Jim Furyk in particular have a lot to answer for. Olay.. olay olay olay... .. I'll be hearing that in my sleep for weeks The Man:
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kapoo:
lazydynamite88:
dont mention the ryder cup!!!...it must hurt to be an american sports fan right now...your boys took one hell of a beating out there,,,tiger who????...i dont think ive ever witnessed such sporting brillance!!!...
Yer boys have a lot to be proud of LazyD. What a collapse on our side. But it was one hell of an event! Steve Stricker and Jim Furyk in particular have a lot to answer for. Olay.. olay olay olay... .. I'll be hearing that in my sleep for weeks The Man:
glad you enjoyed it kapoo anyway....i thought the atmosphere was amazing..and in general the US fans where excellent.....as where your team untill late sat night.... stand outs for me,....'phil mickelsons ' sportsmanship on losing from the jaws of victory against justin rose....phil has some real class. tiger woods pathetic attempt to appear sporting by 'giving' molinari a difficult 3ft put on 18 ..however if tiger really wanted to be sporting he would have given the european putt BEFORE he took his own shot not after...i believe it was a churlish gesture not a sporting one.
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Seve's spirit was there for the Europeans on Sunday. The best sporting day I have ever witnessed. So happy for Olazabal, what a gent, great golfer, captain and man. His speech was superb and very emotional. So proud of our golfers right now. What a result. Very pleased by some of the American golfers aswell, namely Bubba Watson and ofcourse Phil Mickelson. The guy is a true gent and sportsman and fantastic golfer.
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kapoo:
Bruce M.:
Adriana Rojas:
nigel.thrillington:
In the end I think something like this is what we would all like to see...
And I love this pics!
Uh, in a word: NO
Why not Bruce, make your case sir. Cause I say 100% all the way. I even like the cover design there Nigel! granted I have been drinking all day at the Ryder Cup. but I hold my liquor unbelievably well. if I do say so myself.
Very simple: Paul doesn't do his best work when he's off by himself and not getting input from a strong producer and/or other musicians. "McCartney" has many moments of utter brilliance and patches that are weak and unfocused. "McCartney II" is a train wreck. The thought of "McCartney III" gives me the dry heaves. Please, Paul, give us a real album.
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McCartney & McCartney II are two of his very best albums. A genius at work.
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CMackbird:
McCartney & McCartney II are two of his very best albums. A genius at work.
An unguarded genius at work, at that! He was basically in Fireman-mode when working on those two albums.
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CMackbird:
McCartney & McCartney II are two of his very best albums. A genius at work.
And we agree once again.
audi:
An unguarded genius at work, at that! He was basically in Fireman-mode when working on those two albums.
And Audi, "unguarded" is a great description of both albums. Whether it's McCartney III or Fireman Part IV, I say bring it on.
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I prefer more something like "Memory Even more full" "Band Still On The Run" "Flowers in the shit" (the dirt just became shit), or even "Revolver 2" or "Sgt. Pepper's 2" cause the vastly major contributor on those 2 beatle albums is Paul. "Revolving in the Pepper" or whatever... "Sgt's Pepper's Revolver"... "Too much meat" won't be bad either
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Michelley:
CMackbird:
McCartney & McCartney II are two of his very best albums. A genius at work.
And we agree once again.
audi:
An unguarded genius at work, at that! He was basically in Fireman-mode when working on those two albums.
And Audi, "unguarded" is a great description of both albums. Whether it's McCartney III or Fireman Part IV, I say bring it on.
I get the unguarded thing being a good thing, but lets not forget that the first 2 Fireman records were basically trance/techno.. I'd say Paul's been there and done that. And as much as I liked his last Fireman effort, and I really do love some of the tracks, its not the McCartney style of songs I love most. I like them written with specific plots and structures I guess more. To me that album is just a freestyle method that happend to work out really well for them (him/Youth). To try it again like that would be rolling the dice in my opinion, and regardless would just be rehashing covered territory in that type of experimentation. Quite honestly, as a writer, Paul's better than that. I actually don't equate Fireman records to the McCartney/McCartney II albums. Fireman's something different.. the Mc/Mc2 is Paul alone, writing and recording himself on a 4 track. bare bones, and I hold both the records in higher regard than any of the Fireman records. A McCartney III, for me, would need to follow suit; just Paul on a 4 track, by himself. However, in this case I'm actually with Ollie. Give me something close to MAF and I couldn't ask for anything more. Good old fashioned, yet cutting edge, fully crafted songs by the man himself, utilizing any instruments and technology/producers he wants to fullfill his visions to the utmost of their potential. Bam.
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Bruce M.:
kapoo:
Bruce M.:
Adriana Rojas:
nigel.thrillington:
In the end I think something like this is what we would all like to see...
And I love this pics!
Uh, in a word: NO
Why not Bruce, make your case sir. Cause I say 100% all the way. I even like the cover design there Nigel! granted I have been drinking all day at the Ryder Cup. but I hold my liquor unbelievably well. if I do say so myself.
Very simple: Paul doesn't do his best work when he's off by himself and not getting input from a strong producer and/or other musicians. "McCartney" has many moments of utter brilliance and patches that are weak and unfocused. "McCartney II" is a train wreck. The thought of "McCartney III" gives me the dry heaves. Please, Paul, give us a real album.
Didn't he do most of RAM by himself? I think we can all agree that that's one of his best, if not his best album.
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kapoo:
Michelley:
CMackbird:
McCartney & McCartney II are two of his very best albums. A genius at work.
And we agree once again.
audi:
An unguarded genius at work, at that! He was basically in Fireman-mode when working on those two albums.
And Audi, "unguarded" is a great description of both albums. Whether it's McCartney III or Fireman Part IV, I say bring it on.
I get the unguarded thing being a good thing, but lets not forget that the first 2 Fireman records were basically trance/techno.. I'd say Paul's been there and done that. And as much as I liked his last Fireman effort, and I really do love some of the tracks, its not the McCartney style of songs I love most. I like them written with specific plots and structures I guess more. To me that album is just a freestyle method that happend to work out really well for them (him/Youth). To try it again like that would be rolling the dice in my opinion, and regardless would just be rehashing covered territory in that type of experimentation. Quite honestly, as a writer, Paul's better than that. I actually don't equate Fireman records to the McCartney/McCartney II albums. Fireman's something different.. the Mc/Mc2 is Paul alone, writing and recording himself on a 4 track. bare bones, and I hold both the records in higher regard than any of the Fireman records. A McCartney III, for me, would need to follow suit; just Paul on a 4 track, by himself. However, in this case I'm actually with Ollie. Give me something close to MAF and I couldn't ask for anything more. Good old fashioned, yet cutting edge, fully crafted songs by the man himself, utilizing any instruments and technology/producers he wants to fullfill his visions to the utmost of their potential. Bam.
We're not disagreeing. The Fireman can do anything. If he wants to write/record a wholly structured song ("Two Magpies"), he may. If he wants to rely on random text for lyrics ("Don't Stop Running"), he may. If he wants to go ambient (Rushes), he may. If he wants to be all techno (Strawberries...), he may.
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audi:
The Fireman can do anything. If he wants to write/record a wholly structured song ("Two Magpies"), he may. If he wants to rely on random text for lyrics ("Don't Stop Running"), he may. If he wants to go ambient (Rushes), he may. If he wants to be all techno (Strawberries...), he may.
Well said, good description of what the Fireman ethos has been. I think thats been exactly the point of it to Paul. A situation where he can step out of his own shoes and do anything don't get me wrong, anything like that I would buy but I think Paul's got a few more cheap 'pop rockers' left up his sleeves. I like those. I know you do too Shit, the man has become the standard for the entire genre IMO. btw I'm playing Golden Earth Girl right now and its a tremendously beautiful song
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Thanks for making me look up "ethos."
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Found this article by some ass-hole at thisiscornwall.co.uk: Is it time Paul McCartney and his pop star pals of yore called it a day?: "...Lamest of all, perhaps, is Paul McCartney. And at the risk of being charged with treason, accused of sacrilege, or both, isn't it time you called it a day, wack? Yes, he was a member of a groundbreaking 1960s band. But when considering his oeuvre, we shouldn't forget the soppy Wings, the unforgivable Mull Of Kintyre or the string of hopeless love songs. Granted, The Beatles were pretty good ? in their day ? but that's no excuse for trotting out the same tired tunes year in, year out, for half a century. You can bet John Lennon wouldn't still be struggling through an out-of-tune version of Hey Jude. So why does Paul think he can get away with it? It's generally agreed that the London 2012 opening ceremony was a triumph on every other level ? yet the decision to wheel on poor old Macca at the end was a major error of judgement. An uncomfortable spectacle for those in the stadium or viewing at home, surely even the ex-Beatle himself must have realised it just wasn't working. The plain truth is his voice is no longer what it was. It's not a failure, there's no disgrace in losing some of the faculties that define our youth, Mo Farah won't be attempting to repeat his 10,000-metre triumph when he's 70 ? so why should Paul McCartney try to pull off the musical equivalent? Reinvent yourself, by all means, Paul, but don't pretend you're still a teenager. ..." http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/time-Paul-McCartney-pop-star-pals-yore-called-day/story-17024907-detail/story.html
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Sod that !! Whomever poison penned that piece of crapola knows where to go. And it's not cool weather there Paul's next cd of all originals will be closely scrutinized like Bob Dylan's new one, they're both Legends and masters. It is very eagerly awaited. Thought I saw something in this thread which implied otherwise. They were so wrong.
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audi:
Found this article by some ass-hole at thisiscornwall.co.uk: You can bet John Lennon wouldn't still be struggling through an out-of-tune version of Hey Jude...
overall that writer is a heavy handed moron. but I do think the sentence above is true. and as most on this board have been saying, I do think Paul should move on slightly from performing his Beatle favs, in favor of songs that will shine a light on his more current repetoir. Critically Paul is going to get himself in trouble doing so much of the Beatle stuff all the time, and it doesn't show signs of stopping. Concert goers may love it and will always buy tickets, but he's not pushing, or saying aloud, hey this is who I am now! If he wants to get more respect 'critically', we all know what he needs to do. Play RAM, RRS, Driving Rain, new tracks. Beccause John wouldn't be playing She Loves You, that I can promise you. and maybe one method isn't truely better than the other, but to critics it is. (and to me it is also ) a good point here is the Jason Mraz concert I just saw.. I missed hearing some of his hit pop songs that turned me on to him in the beginning.. Curbside Profit etc... but I left the concert respecting Mraz as an artist making the progressions artists make. you can be true to yourself, and be proud of where you're at. The past is etched in stone already. New successes should be strived for, Hey Jude was and is a huge song, leave it alone. But none of this changes the overall feelings I have for Paul's genius as a songwriter. its just one element for discussion, thats all.
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audi:
Thanks for making me look up "ethos."
Was my usage even correct there? at the time it seemed right.. its a rarely used word though right?
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kapoo:
audi:
Found this article by some ass-hole at thisiscornwall.co.uk: You can bet John Lennon wouldn't still be struggling through an out-of-tune version of Hey Jude...
overall that writer is a heavy handed moron. but I do think the sentence above is true. and as most on this board have been saying, I do think Paul should move on slightly from performing his Beatle favs, in favor of songs that will shine a light on his more current repetoir. Critically Paul is going to get himself in trouble doing so much of the Beatle stuff all the time, and it doesn't show signs of stopping. Concert goers may love it and will always buy tickets, but he's not pushing, or saying aloud, hey this is who I am now! If he wants to get more respect 'critically', we all know what he needs to do. Play RAM, RRS, Driving Rain, new tracks. Beccause John wouldn't be playing She Loves You, that I can promise you. and maybe one method isn't truely better than the other, but to critics it is. (and to me it is also ) a good point here is the Jason Mraz concert I just saw.. I missed hearing some of his hit pop songs that turned me on to him in the beginning.. Curbside Profit etc... but I left the concert respecting Mraz as an artist making the progressions artists make. you can be true to yourself, and be proud of where you're at. The past is etched in stone already. New successes should be strived for, Hey Jude was and is a huge song, leave it alone. But none of this changes the overall feelings I have for Paul's genius as a songwriter. its just one element for discussion, thats all.
I saw Eric Clapton's Nothin' But The Blues Tour in '94, and although there was some drunk chick who kept yelling, "Play 'Layla'! Play 'Layla'!," it was a show that left nothing to be desired.
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kapoo:
audi:
Thanks for making me look up "ethos."
Was my usage even correct there? at the time it seemed right.. its a rarely used word though right?
It was apropros.
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I agree, Macca needs to drop the beatles tunes and play stuff from his vast solo/wings catalogue. Play songs from accalimed recent albums and remasters as they come out. Songs from FP onwards will suit his voice better too. But one thing that does my head in, is when folk say these things and claim that, "John wouldn't be doing that". What do they know what John would be doing if he were alive, these people probably weren't born until after his tragic death. They didn't know who he was. Although, he's right that he wouldn't be singing Hey Jude, because it wasn't his song. :