And now the time is near....
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Found this article by some ass-hole at thisiscornwall.co.uk: You can bet John Lennon wouldn't still be struggling through an out-of-tune version of Hey Jude...
overall that writer is a heavy handed moron. but I do think the sentence above is true. and as most on this board have been saying, I do think Paul should move on slightly from performing his Beatle favs, in favor of songs that will shine a light on his more current repetoir. Critically Paul is going to get himself in trouble doing so much of the Beatle stuff all the time, and it doesn't show signs of stopping. Concert goers may love it and will always buy tickets, but he's not pushing, or saying aloud, hey this is who I am now! If he wants to get more respect 'critically', we all know what he needs to do. Play RAM, RRS, Driving Rain, new tracks. Beccause John wouldn't be playing She Loves You, that I can promise you. and maybe one method isn't truely better than the other, but to critics it is. (and to me it is also ) a good point here is the Jason Mraz concert I just saw.. I missed hearing some of his hit pop songs that turned me on to him in the beginning.. Curbside Profit etc... but I left the concert respecting Mraz as an artist making the progressions artists make. you can be true to yourself, and be proud of where you're at. The past is etched in stone already. New successes should be strived for, Hey Jude was and is a huge song, leave it alone. But none of this changes the overall feelings I have for Paul's genius as a songwriter. its just one element for discussion, thats all.
I saw Eric Clapton's Nothin' But The Blues Tour in '94, and although there was some drunk chick who kept yelling, "Play 'Layla'! Play 'Layla'!," it was a show that left nothing to be desired.
I'll add that I sometimes get frustrated at our dear ol' Paulie. In 1997 at The Concert For Montserrat -- which I purchased on Pay-Per-View -- he had a No. 2 album on the charts. And what did he perform? Only Beatles songs. In the '09 Grammy Awards, a live version of the Memory Almost Full track, "That Was Me," was nominated for an award in the rock category. And what did Paul perform that night? "I Saw Her Standing There." This issue is a slippery slope, though: For the record, I loved his '05 Superbowl set, which was mostly Beatles songs; however, I thought his 2001 Concert For New York set -- featuring new material and Beatles hits -- could've been stronger.
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To me he should be touring simply as Paul McCartney the artist. Perhaps include Yesterday and Blackbird but apart from that solo or wings songs only. He should never have went down that road.
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To me he should be touring simply as Paul McCartney the artist. Perhaps include Yesterday and Blackbird but apart from that solo or wings songs only. He should never have went down that road.
Which is basically what he was doing back in the 70's, and on that WOA tour. I think he also did Lady Madonna and Long & Winding Road, but mainly his latest and greatest. If you look at what John was doing, he basically was only doing Come Together (and mainly I'm thinking of the Live in NYC show), and he was positioning almost as a joke and messing up lyrics and all that. When he took the stange with Elton John he did play both Lucy In the Sky (but that was because Elton had a #1 on the charts with his cover version of it at the time), and he played I Saw Her Standing There, which again he sort of playfully set-up as being dedicated to his old estraged fiance, Paul, and I guarantee that song was handpicked by Elton as he had performed it live on several occasions. Bottom line is you make a good point of course CMack, no one knows what songs John would be preforming live were he around today. But I don't think he'd want to be a traveling roadshow for Beatles hits. There are certain songs John was particularly proud of that he did with the Beatles; Across The Universe, Girl, Help, Revolution, Strawberry Fields, so I bet those would make their way into his sets. But its my feeling that his newer work would always come first. Plus I think John would have continued to break out a lot of covers, which is really what he cut his teeth doing. In an odd way it was his strong suit. I don't think he thought he ever wrote one as good as 'Some Other Guy', or 'Sweet Little Sixteen'. And I think he viewed the Beatles as more of a joke, just an excersize in writing pop songs with Paul. which is amazing because they were so amazing! but I don't think he'd be doing as many Beatles songs as Paul does. Paul's really proud of those songs, not sure John in the end was as proud of them. Johns always an oxymoron, so yes he was proud of the songs and would tell you so, but he's also an artist of the highest degree of integrity and artistic ambition. I think if it wasn't something new he was doing that he could hang his hat on, he wouldn't tour. unless he needed the money a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
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Not a lot more I can add to that Kapoo, you sum it up nicely. You certainly are a knowledgeable John fan The only thing I may say on the matter of John not being proud of certain aspects of The Beatles, is that, I'm not sure if that was a cover. Just like Paul would say about when he would take his glasses off and say, "its only me". He was a very complex man and maybe he was hurting from it and missed it and missed writing music with his mate and he would slag parts of it off to distance himself from it. But who know's. I think your right in that Paul is very proud of his Beatles songs, and quite rightly so as some of his beatles stuff is top notch but alot of his solo stuff holds up to that which makes it more infuriating. He is Paul McCartney the artist and has been for 42 years, whether that be as part of Wings or not. But I too think he's a fan of the money! But, yes, its a complete tragedy that John is still not here for a whole host of reasons.
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Well, there's the famous video "Paul McCartney about criticism" where Paul talks about all this, but there's much more, he wrote a song about all this too... people wanting him to do or do not certain things... as bold as Lennon here "Push me to the left, push me to the right Try to take me out of the way Even if you kick me off the edge of the world You're still gonna hear me say"
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kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
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kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
Remember that feature film/documentary on John Lennon's life that came out in 1988? There was footage of John Lennon in the early '70s arguing with a lady in what I think was a government office (or something...sorry, I don't remember), and John is clearly annoyed with her. She tried to patronize him, saying how much she enjoyed The Beatles, and he dismissed her, saying something to the effect of: "Yeah, the bubblegum stuff like 'Love Me Do' and 'Hard Days Night' -- not the stuff with any depth, etc." (paraphrasing...again...I don't remember) But you get my point.
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Can I confess something here? I haven't listened to much Paul McCartney stuff in the last few months, i've spent a lot more listening to other artists like Elvis Costello, Prince etc but I keep coming back to the Beatles and the early solo stuff . Since the Olympics ceremony i've slowly lost quite a lot of faith in Paul's singing ability and without being vain he's looking and sounding much more frail and old looking then in the last few years. Even listening to KOTB it sort of depressed me because he sounds so old. So right now i'm only listening to the classic 1962-1982 Macca stuff to be honest because I want to remember him SINGING his songs and not croaking them out. I hope he can make a great new album though and that his voice can come back better. Sorry for being so overly dramatic.
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Can I confess something here? I haven't listened to much Paul McCartney stuff in the last few months, i've spent a lot more listening to other artists like Elvis Costello, Prince etc but I keep coming back to the Beatles and the early solo stuff . Since the Olympics ceremony i've slowly lost quite a lot of faith in Paul's singing ability and without being vain he's looking and sounding much more frail and old looking then in the last few years. Even listening to KOTB it sort of depressed me because he sounds so old. So right now i'm only listening to the classic 1962-1982 Macca stuff to be honest because I want to remember him SINGING his songs and not croaking them out. I hope he can make a great new album though and that his voice can come back better. Sorry for being so overly dramatic.
You need a pick-me-up:
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Kathryn O:
kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
Remember that feature film/documentary on John Lennon's life that came out in 1988? There was footage of John Lennon in the early '70s arguing with a lady in what I think was a government office (or something...sorry, I don't remember), and John is clearly annoyed with her. She tried to patronize him, saying how much she enjoyed The Beatles, and he dismissed her, saying something to the effect of: "Yeah, the bubblegum stuff like 'Love Me Do' and 'Hard Days Night' -- not the stuff with any depth, etc." (paraphrasing...again...I don't remember) But you get my point.
Here's that clip, starts about 25 secs in, I think they were talking to a London reporter. a very cynical patronizing beeyatch. Good for you J&Y.
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kapoo:
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Kathryn O:
kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
Remember that feature film/documentary on John Lennon's life that came out in 1988? There was footage of John Lennon in the early '70s arguing with a lady in what I think was a government office (or something...sorry, I don't remember), and John is clearly annoyed with her. She tried to patronize him, saying how much she enjoyed The Beatles, and he dismissed her, saying something to the effect of: "Yeah, the bubblegum stuff like 'Love Me Do' and 'Hard Days Night' -- not the stuff with any depth, etc." (paraphrasing...again...I don't remember) But you get my point.
Here's that clip, starts about 25 secs in, I think they were talking to a London reporter. a very cynical patronizing beeyatch. Good for you J&Y.
Yep! That's it. I was fuzzy on the scenario, but that's it. Hadn't noticed the part of John reading that article, predicting his assassination. Frightening.
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Kathryn O:
kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
Remember that feature film/documentary on John Lennon's life that came out in 1988? There was footage of John Lennon in the early '70s arguing with a lady in what I think was a government office (or something...sorry, I don't remember), and John is clearly annoyed with her. She tried to patronize him, saying how much she enjoyed The Beatles, and he dismissed her, saying something to the effect of: "Yeah, the bubblegum stuff like 'Love Me Do' and 'Hard Days Night' -- not the stuff with any depth, etc." (paraphrasing...again...I don't remember) But you get my point.
John sometimes (and Paul) talk badly about their early stuff. But John's favourite song ever was "Whola Lotta Shaking Going On", he even said "no one will ever do anything as good as that"... In 1969 or so he said to Paul that in 1963 and 1964 "they were full of energy" but that the music they were doing then didn't have any of that. He wanted to get back to the old style. They even recorded One After 909, one of his very earlies...
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21st Century Paul:
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Kathryn O:
kapoo:
. a lot of the Beatles stuff grew to embarrass Lennon, at least thats what it seems from stuff I've read. Most of it didn't mean anything to him, artistically. thats my view. the music, those pure pop songs meant more to Paul than John. Damn I wish John had made it. such a loss to everyone when that guy died.
I think the Beatles music only grew to embarrass John when he got into the avante gard stuff like Revolution #9.
Remember that feature film/documentary on John Lennon's life that came out in 1988? There was footage of John Lennon in the early '70s arguing with a lady in what I think was a government office (or something...sorry, I don't remember), and John is clearly annoyed with her. She tried to patronize him, saying how much she enjoyed The Beatles, and he dismissed her, saying something to the effect of: "Yeah, the bubblegum stuff like 'Love Me Do' and 'Hard Days Night' -- not the stuff with any depth, etc." (paraphrasing...again...I don't remember) But you get my point.
John sometimes (and Paul) talk badly about their early stuff. But John's favourite song ever was "Whola Lotta Shaking Going On", he even said "no one will ever do anything as good as that"... In 1969 or so he said to Paul that in 1963 and 1964 "they were full of energy" but that the music they were doing then didn't have any of that. He wanted to get back to the old style. They even recorded One After 909, one of his very earlies...
Yeah, I think John and all artists go through their phases. I mean there was that quote from John when they were doing Rubber Soul I think when he told Paul he liked Paul's songs better than his own. So John knew Paul's strengths for sure, and I really think obviously admired and probably at times was envious of Paul knack for melody. And he was smart and knew good songwriting, John went through a period when he was definitey experimenting with more melodic, lighter songs, trying to top the charts! but at his heart I think he was always trying to recreate the vibe of the rockers he loved. I've always adored the song This Boy, and thats a really simple Lennon melody, made emmensly better by the harmonies the other two gave it. but even in that song, you hear John's passion for rock coming out. am I off topic, I don't even know anymore nice talking Beatles music though
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Lovely clip but geez Paul sounds really old here!