The ..2012.... Political thread
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PHILLIP:
mustangsally10:
In many of Obamas speeches he always mentions that his story/life could not have happened any place other than the US. What he is saying is about the most POSITIVE thing one could say about a country. He is a black man who came from a single parent home with no money. Yet he was able to go to the finest schools and accomplish much. Of course, he is brilliant so was able to take advantage of opportunities. He almost alway says that the American dream that he was able to take advantage of, is getting out of reach for most. This is a reality. It is a reality that we are on dangerous ground with our economy. It is a reality that our health care system is broken. It is a reality that we have to change our primary sources of energy as soon as we possibly can. Oil is not infinite, we need to be energy independent and this will help our economy. Facing reality is not negative, it is essential. I feel very hopeful and positive that in Obama we have someone who has the leadership skills and judgement and intelligence to make the necessary changes. I like this quote by Aldous Huxley: "Experience is not what happens to you, it is what you do with what happens to you" Peace
If he had two black parents, it would be a different story. come to Washington DC and see what a black single mother goes through. He had the advantage of white America, his story/life could not have happened anywhere as he states, certainly not in black America.
I think in his circumstances he has had the advantages of neither. You can't be black and have the advantage of white culture. He is bi-racial and is self made. If he is elected it will be a miracle because I really don't think the US electorate is smart enough to vote it's interests. They voted for Bush....enough said.
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If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
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PHILLIP:
If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
Your name calling shows a real deficit in being able to defend your point. You must have been a bu$h voter. All those people who voted for bu$h and it's almost impossible to find one to admit it. That is my point. A lot of people screwed up big time. Those are the people I'm talking about, most of them can't be depended upon to make an intelligent decision.
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mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
Your name calling shows a real deficit in being able to defend your point. You must have been a bu$h voter. All those people who voted for bu$h and it's almost impossible to find one to admit it. That is my point. A lot of people screwed up big time. Those are the people I'm talking about, most of them can't be depended upon to make an intelligent decision.
Exxon has just reported the highest earnings ever by any US corporation http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/business/01oil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin and McSame was given lots of money by the oil lobbyists for flipping on oil drilling http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891.html?nav=hcmodule People who can't see the connection are naive or worse or just don't bother to be informed. We are in deeper trouble economically if McSame is elected...bu$h only worse
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mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
Your name calling shows a real deficit in being able to defend your point. You must have been a bu$h voter. All those people who voted for bu$h and it's almost impossible to find one to admit it. That is my point. A lot of people screwed up big time. Those are the people I'm talking about, most of them can't be depended upon to make an intelligent decision.
It's a shame you call that name calling if someone says something you don't agree with. Saying someone is naive is not name calling. You are the one that can't defend your point, so you go into your Bush rant. Naive and immature.
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mustangsally10:
mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
Your name calling shows a real deficit in being able to defend your point. You must have been a bu$h voter. All those people who voted for bu$h and it's almost impossible to find one to admit it. That is my point. A lot of people screwed up big time. Those are the people I'm talking about, most of them can't be depended upon to make an intelligent decision.
Exxon has just reported the highest earnings ever by any US corporation http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/business/01oil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin and McSame was given lots of money by the oil lobbyists for flipping on oil drilling http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891.html?nav=hcmodule People who can't see the connection are naive or worse or just don't bother to be informed. We are in deeper trouble economically if McSame is elected...bu$h only worse
I don't blame any politician about gas prices. If Americans keep filling up at Exxon, it's their own fault.
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peacetrain:
GYPSYGIRL:
Since Hillary dropped out, I may go Republican & vote for McCain.
I fail to understand this position. Clinton and McCain are on completely different sides on so many major issues, it doesn't make any sense IMO. I can understand liking Clinton and not Obama (or vice versa) but I don't see how one can go from either Clinton or Obama to McCain. Similarly, Romney or Huckabee supporters aren't lining up behind Obama because they aren't happy with McCain, I don't see how one can support two people who have such different political and philosophical beliefs. Don't the issues matter at all?
I believe issues do matter to the American people. Sadly, not much has been done in recent years to address the issues important to the majority of voters by either party. Many are no longer voting strictly along party lines as neither party seems to be able to deliver. Talk is cheap. IMO, people are looking for a leader who they feel can actually effect real change, not just speak about it.
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PHILLIP:
mustangsally10:
mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
If you think that, then you are naive and the perfect dupe Obama is hoping for.
Your name calling shows a real deficit in being able to defend your point. You must have been a bu$h voter. All those people who voted for bu$h and it's almost impossible to find one to admit it. That is my point. A lot of people screwed up big time. Those are the people I'm talking about, most of them can't be depended upon to make an intelligent decision.
Exxon has just reported the highest earnings ever by any US corporation http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/01/business/01oil.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin and McSame was given lots of money by the oil lobbyists for flipping on oil drilling http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891.html?nav=hcmodule People who can't see the connection are naive or worse or just don't bother to be informed. We are in deeper trouble economically if McSame is elected...bu$h only worse
I don't blame any politician about gas prices. If Americans keep filling up at Exxon it's their own fault.
I agree, people can choose not to buy fuel. I don't. But, the reality is that the country runs on energy. The government that the people elected has chosen not to solve our energy problems and that has created a War for Oil, an economy in crisis and an inablity to handle our domestic issues due to our economic weakness. McSame is taking money from the oil lobbyists (see above). I really don't think experience taking money from oil lobbyists is experience that is needed. But, most can not connect the dots and that is our problem. bu$h was elected, after all.
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PHILLIP:
Kahlessa:
peacetrain:
GYPSYGIRL:
Since Hillary dropped out, I may go Republican & vote for McCain.
I fail to understand this position. Clinton and McCain are on completely different sides on so many major issues, it doesn't make any sense IMO. I can understand liking Clinton and not Obama (or vice versa) but I don't see how one can go from either Clinton or Obama to McCain. Similarly, Romney or Huckabee supporters aren't lining up behind Obama because they aren't happy with McCain, I don't see how one can support two people who have such different political and philosophical beliefs. Don't the issues matter at all?
From what I've heard, Hillary is appalled by the idea that some of her supporters will vote for John McCain. Aside from the fact that she doesn't want to be blamed if the Democrats lose the White House (which would hurt her standing in the party), it doesn't say much for the issues that are important to her if those who supported her turn away from the candidate who will better serve them. Everyone is free to vote for whomever they wish, but I hope they vote for the person they think will be the best president, and not to punish Obama and the Democrats for Hillary's losing the nomination.
Hillary won't be suffer any if Obama doesn't win, it will just set her up to be the nominee in 2012. Then she will be the first woman President.
I do agree with you here, Phillip.
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Here is Sen. Obamas statement re oil company profits: Barack Obama's statement on record Exxon Mobil profits and skyrocketing gas prices By Laurin Manning - Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm EDT Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content Below is a statement from Senator Barack Obama on record Exxon Mobil profits while Americans pay skyrocketing gas prices at the pump: Perhaps the only thing more outrageous than Exxon Mobil making record profits while Americans are paying record prices at the pump is the fact that Senator McCain has proposed giving them an additional $1.2 billion tax break. While Senator McCain's plan has succeeded in helping his campaign raise over $1 million from oil and gas company executives and employees just last month, it won't lower gas prices or end our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Instead of an energy policy that reads like an oil-company wish list, it's time to create a new American energy economy by investing in alternative energy, creating millions of new jobs, increasing fuel efficiency standards, and ending the tyranny of oil once and for all," said Senator Barack Obama.
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mustangsally10:
Here is Sen. Obamas statement re oil company profits: Barack Obama's statement on record Exxon Mobil profits and skyrocketing gas prices By Laurin Manning - Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm EDT Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content Below is a statement from Senator Barack Obama on record Exxon Mobil profits while Americans pay skyrocketing gas prices at the pump: Perhaps the only thing more outrageous than Exxon Mobil making record profits while Americans are paying record prices at the pump is the fact that Senator McCain has proposed giving them an additional $1.2 billion tax break. While Senator McCain's plan has succeeded in helping his campaign raise over $1 million from oil and gas company executives and employees just last month, it won't lower gas prices or end our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Instead of an energy policy that reads like an oil-company wish list, it's time to create a new American energy economy by investing in alternative energy, creating millions of new jobs, increasing fuel efficiency standards, and ending the tyranny of oil once and for all," said Senator Barack Obama.
I just hear political criticism, I don't hear any plans from him, now or in his political past. Now it's the "tyranny of oil", but it won't stop him from filling up his cars and warming his house.
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PHILLIP:
mustangsally10:
Here is Sen. Obamas statement re oil company profits: Barack Obama's statement on record Exxon Mobil profits and skyrocketing gas prices By Laurin Manning - Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm EDT Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content Below is a statement from Senator Barack Obama on record Exxon Mobil profits while Americans pay skyrocketing gas prices at the pump: Perhaps the only thing more outrageous than Exxon Mobil making record profits while Americans are paying record prices at the pump is the fact that Senator McCain has proposed giving them an additional $1.2 billion tax break. While Senator McCain's plan has succeeded in helping his campaign raise over $1 million from oil and gas company executives and employees just last month, it won't lower gas prices or end our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Instead of an energy policy that reads like an oil-company wish list, it's time to create a new American energy economy by investing in alternative energy, creating millions of new jobs, increasing fuel efficiency standards, and ending the tyranny of oil once and for all," said Senator Barack Obama.
I just hear political criticism, I don't hear any plans from him, now or in his political past. Now it's the "tyranny of oil", but it won't stop him from filling up his cars and warming his house.
Perhaps you need help in connecting the dots . If you read the comment carefully he tells you his plan. Of course, he's does have to heat his home. As, I said the country is dependent on energy and right now it's dependent on oil and coal. As simple as this is , I still don't have confidence that people understand the issue. After all, this country voted for bu$h.
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How about keeping things peaceful, no name calling. Everyone has their own points of view & why not just agree to disagree? The other thing is, I am so fed up with race being brought into the picture. Why can't all candidates just be human race & not bring color, religion and/or nationality in it
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mustangsally10:
PHILLIP:
mustangsally10:
Here is Sen. Obamas statement re oil company profits: Barack Obama's statement on record Exxon Mobil profits and skyrocketing gas prices By Laurin Manning - Jul 31st, 2008 at 12:37 pm EDT Comments | Mail to a Friend | Report Objectionable Content Below is a statement from Senator Barack Obama on record Exxon Mobil profits while Americans pay skyrocketing gas prices at the pump: Perhaps the only thing more outrageous than Exxon Mobil making record profits while Americans are paying record prices at the pump is the fact that Senator McCain has proposed giving them an additional $1.2 billion tax break. While Senator McCain's plan has succeeded in helping his campaign raise over $1 million from oil and gas company executives and employees just last month, it won't lower gas prices or end our dangerous dependence on foreign oil. Instead of an energy policy that reads like an oil-company wish list, it's time to create a new American energy economy by investing in alternative energy, creating millions of new jobs, increasing fuel efficiency standards, and ending the tyranny of oil once and for all," said Senator Barack Obama.
I just hear political criticism, I don't hear any plans from him, now or in his political past. Now it's the "tyranny of oil", but it won't stop him from filling up his cars and warming his house.
Perhaps you need help in connecting the dots . If you read the comment carefully he tells you his plan. Of course, he's does have to heat his home. As, I said the country is dependent on energy and right now it's dependent on oil and coal. As simple as this is , I still don't have confidence that people understand the issue. After all, this country voted for bu$h.
Perhaps you need help in reading between the lines. He speaks in generalities but NEVER ONCE has he said how he is going to do it. He's not saying anything that all the other democratic nominees said during the campaign. So speak now, HOW is he going to do it. He did vote to make cars get a least 30 miles per gallon in the next 10 years, that took real courage since most Toyota hit that 10 years ago. So tell me How is he going to do it. I want specifics.
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Here is Obamas energy plan with specifics.
if you don't understand go to www.barackobama.com and do your own research perhaps that will help you I am off to register more voters... -
I'd have to agree with Phillip on Obama's lack of specifics. It's one of the reasons the race is close. So far, he's preying on people's fears....sound familiar?? I think it's great that he's attracted many young folks into the process. But it remains to be seen if the young folks actually turn up on November 4th. We've had an energy issue for the past 30 years. I do find it interesting that citizens aren't held accountable....it's always the government. Citizens wanted SUVs and bought them. The government didn't have anything to do with that. Good thing gas prices went up and slapped people around I'd say. I also find it interesting that people are squealing about ExxonMobil.....if you have a 401(k), mutual fund, pension, retirement fund, etc., don't be surprised to see that you are holding ExxonMobil stock & dividends and will benefit from the dreaded record "profits". As far as voting for Bush, many people did...one of the reasons why he's there. If you wanted Gore, he should've won his own state but didn't despite what happened in Florida. People didn't vote for Kerry (shrugs)...waddayagonnado?? It's easy to criticize in hindsight. I do think voters need to remember they're voting for a president, not a messiah btw, I can't wait to see what happens at polling places in November when there aren't enough workers & voting machines should everyone show up
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mustangsally10:
Here is Obamas energy plan with specifics.
if you don't understand go to www.barackobama.com and do your own research perhaps that will help you I am off to register more voters...You call that specifics. Not!
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A friend who has a friend who knows a soldier serving in Afghanistan was told by this soldier that when Obama was there, all Obama was interested in was having photos taken by the media but Obama never once even went up to any of the men & women serving there & letting them know what an honor it was to for Obama to be there. Doesn't say much for Obama at all.
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The Wall Street Journal, which could be considered John McCains base has this article entitled "Is John McCain Stupid". http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121745962594698731.html?mod=Election2008_Opinion Basically questioning his competence for the job. He can't be to happy with this article
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