The ..2012.... Political thread
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I am currently half way through this The more i read , the more i like and respect him .
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Glad you do....problem is, you don't get a vote.
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Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
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jaipur:
Glad you do....problem is, you don't get a vote.
I know ...i am stuck with the clowns in this country. I am on this today....and the sun is out http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=9674193
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Here is what McCain said recently about making US healthcare just like US banking... http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/mccain-on-banking-and-health/ I don't know whether I should or
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SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
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moggy:
jaipur:
Glad you do....problem is, you don't get a vote.
I know ...i am stuck with the clowns in this country. I am on this today....and the sun is out http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?cp-documentid=9674193
don't worry....just let it be.
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mustangsally10:
Here is what McCain said recently about making US healthcare just like US banking... http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/09/19/mccain-on-banking-and-health/ I don't know whether I should or
Well, I didn't read that in the link.....he thinks by providing more choices that would drive prices down in healthcare....it does to some degree, at least it does here, but not to the extent that he's indicating. Doesn't really matter now, as neither candidate will be able to do any healthcare.
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jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
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SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
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jaipur:
SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
I also have a few problems with this view (expressed here & elsewhere) Consider this: Harry Truman, Democrat - in 1945 he ordered 2 atomic bombs to be dropped on 2 Japanise cities which instantly killed about 220,000 civilians in both of the cities. And thousands died afterward from symptoms related to the blasts - burns, radiation, etc. Harry Truman, Democrat - got the U.S. into the Korean War. Approximately 54,000 U.S. troops died as a result. Bay of Pigs - J.F.K, Democrat (a failed attempt to overthrow Castro) ... Hundreds were killed & about 1,200 imprisoned in Cuba. Vietnam - J.F.K., Democrat - got us over there to fight, surge in U.S. military forces ordered by L.B.J., Democrat (to get it over with, didn't work). Approximately 58,000 U.S. troops were killed. Following the same logic, these were Democrat wars ...
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Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
I also have a few problems with this view (expressed here & elsewhere) Consider this: Harry Truman, Democrat - in 1945 he ordered 2 atomic bombs to be dropped on 2 Japanise cities which instantly killed about 220,000 civilians in both of the cities. And thousands died afterward from symptoms related to the blasts - burns, radiation, etc. Even so, it was the right decision at that time. Germany had already surrendered after seven years of war in Europe, the Japanese refused to surrender. It was known that in order to end the war in the pacific theatre, an invasion of Japan would cost millions of lives in addition to the millions in Europe, both civilvan and military. The war had to end. The US for a very long period of time resisted in becoming involved in wars (I & II). We did not get involved militarily in WWII until after Pearl Harbor. Harry Truman, Democrat - got the U.S. into the Korean War. Approximately 54,000 U.S. troops died as a result. Truth be told, North Korea invaded South Korea. A UN resolution, of which the US was a member, required intervention. Bay of Pigs - J.F.K, Democrat (a failed attempt to overthrow Castro) ... Hundreds were killed & about 1,200 imprisoned in Cuba. This attempt was constructed by the Eisenhowever administration and was inherited by the Kennedy administration. It's interesting to me how communism and the cold war are marginalized today. There is still no peace agreement between the two. . Vietnam - J.F.K., Democrat - got us over there to fight, surge in U.S. military forces ordered by L.B.J., Democrat (to get it over with, didn't work). Approximately 58,000 U.S. troops were killed. As it was with Korea, invading forces of communism threathened a neighbor. I don't believe at the time, the US was in a position to "blow them off". Since then, many things that weren't widely known at the time, (Gulf of Tonkin) came to light much later on. Following the same logic, these were Democrat wars ... Sorry, no.....they were wars despite whatever party affilation one associated with.
I'll pass this along as well...while many people are still reeling from the week's events, financial difficulties always happen. Our economy has the resilency to recover. It was not the result simply of the republicans or the democrats; both had a hand in it as well as all of us.
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Who is better for the US economy? http://petercohan.blogspot.com/2006/11/democrats-better-for-economy.html of course, needs to be updated a bit
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jaipur:
Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
I also have a few problems with this view (expressed here & elsewhere) Consider this: Harry Truman, Democrat - in 1945 he ordered 2 atomic bombs to be dropped on 2 Japanise cities which instantly killed about 220,000 civilians in both of the cities. And thousands died afterward from symptoms related to the blasts - burns, radiation, etc. Even so, it was the right decision at that time. Germany had already surrendered after seven years of war in Europe, the Japanese refused to surrender. It was known that in order to end the war in the pacific theatre, an invasion of Japan would cost millions of lives in addition to the millions in Europe, both civilvan and military. The war had to end. The US for a very long period of time resisted in becoming involved in wars (I & II). We did not get involved militarily in WWII until after Pearl Harbor. Harry Truman, Democrat - got the U.S. into the Korean War. Approximately 54,000 U.S. troops died as a result. Truth be told, North Korea invaded South Korea. A UN resolution, of which the US was a member, required intervention. Bay of Pigs - J.F.K, Democrat (a failed attempt to overthrow Castro) ... Hundreds were killed & about 1,200 imprisoned in Cuba. This attempt was constructed by the Eisenhowever administration and was inherited by the Kennedy administration. It's interesting to me how communism and the cold war are marginalized today. There is still no peace agreement between the two. . Vietnam - J.F.K., Democrat - got us over there to fight, surge in U.S. military forces ordered by L.B.J., Democrat (to get it over with, didn't work). Approximately 58,000 U.S. troops were killed. As it was with Korea, invading forces of communism threathened a neighbor. I don't believe at the time, the US was in a position to "blow them off". Since then, many things that weren't widely known at the time, (Gulf of Tonkin) came to light much later on. Following the same logic, these were Democrat wars ... Sorry, no.....they were wars despite whatever party affilation one associated with.
I'll pass this along as well...while many people are still reeling from the week's events, financial difficulties always happen. Our economy has the resilency to recover. It was not the result simply of the republicans or the democrats; both had a hand in it as well as all of us.
I recogonize the inherent problems in some but not all of what I stated above. But, I do not think a good portion of Democrats recognize the same types of problems with what which they accuse Republicans. I was giving back to them the same sort of propoganda they freely dish out. Have you ever heard a Democrat accuse Republicans of being "war mongers"? Bay of Pigs - inherited - maybe, but truly did it have to be carried out the way it was a half a**ed attempt - no, leaving the freedom fighters we promised to protect without much if any protection. After it was hatched, J.F.K. got cold feet about going all the way. Hundreds died and and many more were imprisoned, tortured, treated like animals in Cuba's dirty prisons, & shot. Vietnam - it wasn't until Nixon got into office in 1969 (not 1968 as John Kerry has written & often stated in speaches) that we began truely fighting to win and/or at the very least drive N.Vietnam to a peace treaty in Paris.
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inkaput wrote: Oh Yes they are very stressed and nervous. Yesterday I wore a Soccer mom for Sarah Palin tshirt to my son's soccer game here on the Peninsula in San Mateo county and did I get stressed out nervous looks. I had one lame granny staring me down and I just grinned at her. I laughed because I turned away and I saw her telling her husband "look there it is a Sarah Palin shirt." (He was wearing an Obama button.)OH I love it.... as one of the radio talk show hosts says," Irritating one bay area liberal at a time." As UCdavis said it is so funny to see them panic. My car has a McCain sticker and my purse a McCain/Palin pin and my keychain says McCain and I love making sure it is visible wherever I go. See them sweat...LOVE IT! 9/21/2008 6:07 PM PDT http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/21/MNPP130KA7.DTL&feed=rss.news As for me, Andy - I do not have any candidates bumpersticker on my car - even though, I did get one in the mail. And I'm not into political tee-shirts either - but I do have several for the Beatles and Paul Just wondered, how many people here are bumpersticker free?
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Andy_Shofar:
inkaput wrote: Oh Yes they are very stressed and nervous. Yesterday I wore a Soccer mom for Sarah Palin tshirt to my son's soccer game here on the Peninsula in San Mateo county and did I get stressed out nervous looks. I had one lame granny staring me down and I just grinned at her. I laughed because I turned away and I saw her telling her husband "look there it is a Sarah Palin shirt." (He was wearing an Obama button.)OH I love it.... as one of the radio talk show hosts says," Irritating one bay area liberal at a time." As UCdavis said it is so funny to see them panic. My car has a McCain sticker and my purse a McCain/Palin pin and my keychain says McCain and I love making sure it is visible wherever I go. See them sweat...LOVE IT! 9/21/2008 6:07 PM PDT http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/09/21/MNPP130KA7.DTL&feed=rss.news As for me, Andy - I do not have any candidates bumpersticker on my car - even though, I did get one in the mail. And I'm not into political tee-shirts either - but I do have several for the Beatles and Paul Just wondered, how many people here are bumpersticker free?
I have an anti-fur bumper sticker. Ever since Bush/Cheney got in office, bumper stickers have really declined. People are afraid of freedom of speech. Very sad.
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Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
I also have a few problems with this view (expressed here & elsewhere) Consider this: Harry Truman, Democrat - in 1945 he ordered 2 atomic bombs to be dropped on 2 Japanise cities which instantly killed about 220,000 civilians in both of the cities. And thousands died afterward from symptoms related to the blasts - burns, radiation, etc. Even so, it was the right decision at that time. Germany had already surrendered after seven years of war in Europe, the Japanese refused to surrender. It was known that in order to end the war in the pacific theatre, an invasion of Japan would cost millions of lives in addition to the millions in Europe, both civilvan and military. The war had to end. The US for a very long period of time resisted in becoming involved in wars (I & II). We did not get involved militarily in WWII until after Pearl Harbor. Harry Truman, Democrat - got the U.S. into the Korean War. Approximately 54,000 U.S. troops died as a result. Truth be told, North Korea invaded South Korea. A UN resolution, of which the US was a member, required intervention. Bay of Pigs - J.F.K, Democrat (a failed attempt to overthrow Castro) ... Hundreds were killed & about 1,200 imprisoned in Cuba. This attempt was constructed by the Eisenhowever administration and was inherited by the Kennedy administration. It's interesting to me how communism and the cold war are marginalized today. There is still no peace agreement between the two. . Vietnam - J.F.K., Democrat - got us over there to fight, surge in U.S. military forces ordered by L.B.J., Democrat (to get it over with, didn't work). Approximately 58,000 U.S. troops were killed. As it was with Korea, invading forces of communism threathened a neighbor. I don't believe at the time, the US was in a position to "blow them off". Since then, many things that weren't widely known at the time, (Gulf of Tonkin) came to light much later on. Following the same logic, these were Democrat wars ... Sorry, no.....they were wars despite whatever party affilation one associated with.
I'll pass this along as well...while many people are still reeling from the week's events, financial difficulties always happen. Our economy has the resilency to recover. It was not the result simply of the republicans or the democrats; both had a hand in it as well as all of us.
I recogonize the inherent problems in some but not all of what I stated above. But, I do not think a good portion of Democrats recognize the same types of problems with what which they accuse Republicans. I was giving back to them the same sort of propoganda they freely dish out. Can't say I blame you....it's one of the reasons I'm an independent because neither is 100% right all the time. Have you ever heard a Democrat accuse Republicans of being "war mongers"? Good point..... Bay of Pigs - inherited - maybe, but truly did it have to be carried out the way it was a half a**ed attempt - no, leaving the freedom fighters we promised to protect without much if any protection. After it was hatched, J.F.K. got cold feet about going all the way. Hundreds died and and many more were imprisoned, tortured, treated like animals in Cuba's dirty prisons, & shot. Dems the breaks Can't say he wasn't wrong to be hesitant...he paid the price for it though (shrugs) Vietnam - it wasn't until Nixon got into office in 1969 (not 1968 as John Kerry has written & often stated in speaches) that we began truely fighting to win and/or at the very least drive N.Vietnam to a peace treaty in Paris.
Ah yes, I remember it well. However, you will admit it wound up that North Vietnam "won" despite the effort which was not was intended.
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jaipur:
Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
Andy_Shofar:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
jaipur:
SurSteven:
Calvin Coolidge, a Republican turned Conservative ,was the US President prior to the stock market crash of 1929. Herbert Hoover from Iowa ( as a presumed Republican ) excersized Democratic values and pulled us out of it.
uh, I think you might mean FDR.
Exactly! And we can see how the shift back toward democratic values led to FDR's ( a Democrat ) election. http://www.whitehouse.gov/history/presidents/fr32.html
I wouldn't agree with the phrase "democratic values" for one. Seems nonsensical to me. There's no presumption about Hoover, he was a republican.
I also have a few problems with this view (expressed here & elsewhere) Consider this: Harry Truman, Democrat - in 1945 he ordered 2 atomic bombs to be dropped on 2 Japanise cities which instantly killed about 220,000 civilians in both of the cities. And thousands died afterward from symptoms related to the blasts - burns, radiation, etc. Even so, it was the right decision at that time. Germany had already surrendered after seven years of war in Europe, the Japanese refused to surrender. It was known that in order to end the war in the pacific theatre, an invasion of Japan would cost millions of lives in addition to the millions in Europe, both civilvan and military. The war had to end. The US for a very long period of time resisted in becoming involved in wars (I & II). We did not get involved militarily in WWII until after Pearl Harbor. Harry Truman, Democrat - got the U.S. into the Korean War. Approximately 54,000 U.S. troops died as a result. Truth be told, North Korea invaded South Korea. A UN resolution, of which the US was a member, required intervention. Bay of Pigs - J.F.K, Democrat (a failed attempt to overthrow Castro) ... Hundreds were killed & about 1,200 imprisoned in Cuba. This attempt was constructed by the Eisenhowever administration and was inherited by the Kennedy administration. It's interesting to me how communism and the cold war are marginalized today. There is still no peace agreement between the two. . Vietnam - J.F.K., Democrat - got us over there to fight, surge in U.S. military forces ordered by L.B.J., Democrat (to get it over with, didn't work). Approximately 58,000 U.S. troops were killed. As it was with Korea, invading forces of communism threathened a neighbor. I don't believe at the time, the US was in a position to "blow them off". Since then, many things that weren't widely known at the time, (Gulf of Tonkin) came to light much later on. Following the same logic, these were Democrat wars ... Sorry, no.....they were wars despite whatever party affilation one associated with.
I'll pass this along as well...while many people are still reeling from the week's events, financial difficulties always happen. Our economy has the resilency to recover. It was not the result simply of the republicans or the democrats; both had a hand in it as well as all of us.
I recogonize the inherent problems in some but not all of what I stated above. But, I do not think a good portion of Democrats recognize the same types of problems with what which they accuse Republicans. I was giving back to them the same sort of propoganda they freely dish out. Can't say I blame you....it's one of the reasons I'm an independent because neither is 100% right all the time. Have you ever heard a Democrat accuse Republicans of being "war mongers"? Good point..... Bay of Pigs - inherited - maybe, but truly did it have to be carried out the way it was a half a**ed attempt - no, leaving the freedom fighters we promised to protect without much if any protection. After it was hatched, J.F.K. got cold feet about going all the way. Hundreds died and and many more were imprisoned, tortured, treated like animals in Cuba's dirty prisons, & shot. Dems the breaks Can't say he wasn't wrong to be hesitant...he paid the price for it though (shrugs) Vietnam - it wasn't until Nixon got into office in 1969 (not 1968 as John Kerry has written & often stated in speaches) that we began truely fighting to win and/or at the very least drive N.Vietnam to a peace treaty in Paris.
Ah yes, I remember it well. However, you will admit it wound up that North Vietnam "won" despite the effort which was not was intended.
Nah, I'm a vet. - without prejudice (well maybe a little), I believe the North reneged on the Paris Peace Talk agreements (they should not have been believed in the first place).
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Bill Clinton says he understands Palin's appeal Monday, September 22, 2008 - Page updated at 03:06 PM By KAREN MATTHEWS Associated Press Writer Bill Clinton said Monday he understands why Sarah Palin is popular in the heartland: because people relate to her. "I come from Arkansas, I get why she's hot out there," Clinton said. "Why she's doing well." Speaking to reporters before his Clinton Global Initiative meeting, the former president described Palin's appeal by adding, "People look at her, and they say, 'All those kids. Something that happens in everybody's family. I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her. Glad that girl's going around with her boyfriend. Glad they're going to get married.'" for complete article: http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008195867_apbillclintonpalin.html