The ..2012.... Political thread
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I had heard that "deployed" American troops were contributing 5 and 6 to 1 in support of Obama and now I just ran across this page with a link at the bottom confirming that. I know that many of the military and public service people I have known are more Democratic minded than they are Republican minded. Maybe the deployed troops are aware of something the rest aren't! http://vetsforobama.org/
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I Want A V.P. Debate In fact, I'd like a couple of them
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Andy_Shofar:
I Want A V.P. Debate In fact, I'd like a couple of them
YES!...I think 2 will be fine! A Man who supports Women!...and A Woman who supports Men!
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I have a simple question for Sen. McCain. Are you not ALWAYS wearing your "American hat?"
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Andy_Shofar:
I Want A V.P. Debate In fact, I'd like a couple of them
You're getting one in St Louis apparently.
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The_Fool:
although something can happen to any one of them at any time ... People feel that she is a closer heartbeat away from the President of the United States -- than Bidden. Besides (as a Presidential candidate) .... don't they all look at it like -- don't pick somebody that they will want more than you ..... so they find a way to get rid of you as President (like impeachment or tax records ...) j/k Its all political
To answer your question, no....not since 1963.
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I think you're 11 years adrift. Gerald Ford's nickname around the Nixon White House was "impeachment insurance." They were wrong about that too.
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The Republicans are secretly happy that they have an excuse not to let Bush and Cheney speak. Any way you look at it, that's gotta hurt! http://www.mcclatchydc.com/226/story/51419.html [size=16]Absence of Bush and Cheney cheers Republican delegates By Steven Thomma | McClatchy Newspapers ST. PAUL, Minn. ? Although they were reluctant to say it out loud, many Republicans were relieved Monday that President Bush didn't attend the Republican National Convention. They didn't like to talk about it on the record, in part because they didn't want to admit an unintended political benefit in Hurricane Gustav, which led both Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney to cancel their scheduled speeches Monday to the convention. They also didn't want to admit publicly that a president from their own party is a drag on their prospects. Yet inside and outside the convention hall, they mostly agreed that Bush is a political problem for Republican presidential candidate John McCain, and that it was better that TV screens Monday evening didn't feature delegates cheering him on. "It is a good thing," said Mitch Harper, a Republican delegate from Fort Wayne, Ind. "John McCain has got to demonstrate that he's his own brand, that he would go in a different direction. "Among those swing voters who make a difference, the president doesn't help John McCain," he said. "I don't know a single person who is upset about the fact that they won't be appearing," said one veteran Republican strategist at the convention, speaking on condition of anonymity to freely question the political value of Bush and Cheney. "The only bit of good news at all brought by Gustav is that it caused the cancellation of both Bush and Cheney speeches. Every Republican was rather dreading these speeches to begin with." McCain did embrace Bush, especially during the Republican primaries when he needed support from the party's conservative base. Among his biggest shifts was urging that the Bush tax cuts ? he had opposed them in 2001 and 2003 ? be made permanent. Now, however, he needs to distance himself from a president with dismal approval among independent voters McCain will need to defeat Democrat Barack Obama. Even when Bush and Cheney were supposed to speak at the convention, McCain's camp had sought to minimize the attention paid to them by scheduling both on the same day and in the same news cycle. "It's no coincidence," the strategist said. Canceling them both was "a great thing" for the Republicans, said independent political analyst Stu Rothenberg. After casting himself as an independent-minded politician willing to buck his own party, and president, Rothenberg said of McCain, "he let his maverick image atrophy" when he needed to assure the conservative base that he wasn't too maverick. Now, he needs that image back. And a Bush speech wouldn't have helped. "The circumstances that led to the cancellation are obviously unfortunate, but many Republicans are very happy there won't be even one night devoted to Bush and Cheney," Rothenberg said. "It's nice to have an honest excuse to not have George W. Bush speak."
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Well, never let it be said that this thread doesn't still have the power to shock. The hypocrisy, short memory and complete lack of self-awareness displayed by the right wing never ceases to astound. They denigrated and trivialised John Kerry's war service, yet use McCain's service and an excuse for everything from marital infidelity to not knowing how many houses he owns. Well folks, you either respect your war veterans or you don't. You can't have it both ways. I've got news for you, John: I can show you plenty of POWs who know exactly how many houses they own! If I didn't know better, I would think McCain is trying to lose. The ONLY thing they could come at Obama with without lying is his relative inexperience. And then he goes and picks a rank amateur like Sarah Palin. And his surrogates here still praise him for it. Why? The woman is a joke. Are people so behind the times that they think it's innovative to choose a woman (ANY woman) twenty four years after Geraldine Ferraro? If anyone thinks this is going to win over just ONE Hillary supporter, then I can sell you a bridge to nowhere. (Palin was for it before she was against it! ) No, it's pretty clear what demographic the McCain campaign are really going for with this choice. She couldn't be any more redneck if she married her brother. The thing that really bewilders me is that there are people who are smart enough to tie their shoes and use the internet but still think that everything the Republicans have ever said about Obama's inexperience doesn't go triple for Palin. It's true she does have experience at some things. So, if you think that looking pretty in a ball gown is going to catch bin Laden, if you think that reading sports scores off an auto-cue is going to fix the economy, if you think that hunting moose is going to restore America's standing in the world, then by all means vote for Sarah Palin as your VPILF. You'll deserve everything you get.
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Bill:
She couldn't be any more redneck if she married her brother.
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Bill:
...Well folks, you either respect your war veterans or you don't. You can't have it both ways...
Kerry's and McCain's experiences in the military were in no way comparable, and everyone knows it.
Bill:
...And then he goes and picks a rank amateur like Sarah Palin. And his surrogates here still praise him for it. Why? The woman is a joke...
This is ironic. Do you think a clown like Obama, a former state senator and "community organizer" (whatever that is) who never managed a budget or sizable staff, a man who began running for president after being in the United States Senate for less than five months is qualified to be president, while Sarah Palin, a former mayor responsible for a $6 million budget and 80 city employees, and now, governor of a state bordering two foreign countries with a $6.6 billion budget and thousands of employees, is not qualified to be vice president? Your critique of Palin is intellectually dishonest.
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Don't you really think today?s leaders are a joke anyway. We do not Elect people today based on smarts. If we did, Leslie Clark would of made it. We elect rock stars, people who are pragmatic . Both these people are. She comes from a journalism degree and worked on TV before getting into politics. He just a smooth speaker with grace. We looking for the next JFK and Jackie. I think this woman has proven herself by getting elected. Ak politics is a tuff game and she went up against a long, long term senator. So a good old boy and beat him out. Also the Dem controlled Ak politics for many years. the Anchorage Daily News is pro- dem and they really are the Murdock of the left. So no easy feat. I have not heard any of this religious stuff from AK about her or "the right to not choose", as I prefer to call the pro life people . So this is a lot of politics. They always raise the "right not to choose" and gay crap to try and sway everyone. The facts are no politician regardless of their own personal feeling is going to change a law voted in by the majority. Bush hasn't and god knows he on a first name basic with the big guy. So just a political smear tactics that personally I getting really tired of. HEY here a new concept, lets talk about the war and health care and something no experienced politician has gotten done.
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one other note. Look at France's 1st lady.... I mean she a walking mattress. and guess who his brother works for, the Carlile Group...no other that GWB dads company.... How nice is that. agrees with Bush or making back door deals for the family bank accounts.
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appletart2:
...We do not elect people today based on smarts. If we did, Leslie Clark would have made it...
Who is that?
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Americans are such angry people these days. Just read this board. Angry people on cell phones.
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I don?t have a problem with Sarah Palin, though I can?t say at this point that I?m comfortable with the idea of her being one life away from the White House. I am more concerned with what the selection of her as a running mate says about McCain. He?s saying, after having only met her once, that this is the person he feels will be best able to take care of the country if something happens to him. While we have not lost a president since 1963, and McCain appears to be in good health, things happen. Look how sudden and unexpected Tim Russert?s untimely death was. So it?s a possibility and Palin has to be evaluated in that light. She might be terrific?we just don?t know. I think her selection may make Hillary and Bill Clinton work harder for Obama. If McCain wins, Palin will be in position to run for president in 2012, assuming McCain doesn?t run for a second term. If Palin runs, Hillary will lose the advantage of being the only female candidate. Hillary may decide she'd rather take her chances with getting a cabinet post or seat on the Supreme Court through Obama. It promises to be an entertaining election season in any case. I really enjoy watching the Republicans and conservative commentators backpedaling fast on the importance of experience. And I find the explanations of how Palin, as head of the Alaska National Guard, is better qualified than Obama to be commander-in-chief, just hilarious. Especially when they talk about how Russia is just on the other side of the Bering Strait. I feel safer already. This just came out today: Palin's Church May Have Shaped Controversial Worldview http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html Three months before she was thrust into the national political spotlight, Gov. Sarah Palin was asked to handle a much smaller task: addressing the graduating class of commission students at her one-time church, Wasilla Assembly of God. Her speech in June provides as much insight into her policy leanings as anything uncovered since she was asked to be John McCain's running mate. Speaking before the Pentecostal church, Palin painted the current war in Iraq as a messianic affair in which the United States could act out the will of the Lord. "Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God," she exhorted the congregants. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God's plan." And it?s Rev. Wright all over again? A review of recorded sermons by Ed Kalnins, the senior pastor of Wasilla Assembly of God since 1999, offers a provocative and, for some, eyebrow-raising sketch of Palin's longtime spiritual home. The church runs a number of ministries providing help to poor neighborhoods, care for children in need, and general community services. But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war "contending for your faith;" and said that Jesus "operated from that position of war mode." It is impossible to determine how much Wasilla Assembly of God has shaped Palin's thinking. She was baptized there at the age of 12 and attended the church for most of her adult life. When Palin was inaugurated as governor, the founding pastor of the church delivered the invocation. In 2002, Palin moved her family to a nondenominational church, but she continues to worship at a related Assembly of God church in Juneau.
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Bill:
I think you're 11 years adrift. Gerald Ford's nickname around the Nixon White House was "impeachment insurance." They were wrong about that too.
uh, when a president is impeached, they are not removed from office. Nixon was not impeached. He resigned from the office. Ford was selected as vice president, I'm sure you'll remember, because the previous VP (dear Spiro Agnew) had to resign.
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This is a funny lampoon on Campaign 2008 http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin
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SurSteven:
This is a funny lampoon on Campaign 2008 http://www.jibjab.com/originals/time_for_some_campaignin
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keithmestl:
appletart2:
...We do not elect people today based on smarts. If we did, Leslie Clark would have made it...
Who is that?
Never mind ops: lets try that again. General Wesley Clark