The ..2012.... Political thread
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Here is what american politics has come too. Take a look at Sarah Palin book signing and the bright bunch supporting her. These are the electors of Bush and supporter of Fox entertainment and drive the other side crazy with disblief.
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Interesting that the extreme left is fixated on Palin as she is unlikely to receive the nomination in 2012. Just in case people have forgotten....Bush is no longer in office.
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jaipur:
Interesting that the extreme left is fixated on Palin as she is unlikely to receive the nomination in 2012. Just in case people have forgotten....Bush is no longer in office.
Ahh, the insightful musings of the right! Pt 1: Palin is getting as much press from Limbaugh and Fox News as she is from the so-called extreme left wing. Pt 2: Palin is the one with a book out going from town to town trying to sell it. Pt 3: Fox News is the only main so-called news channel to whom Palin has given an "interview". Pt 4: Palin has been leading the pack of prospective nominees on the Republican side in many polls. Pt 5: Erm, yeah, Bush is out of office. If people think he's still in office, why is the left focusing on Palin and not Bush? Your statement is based on multiple falsehoods, topped by pt 5, which is based on zero logic.
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Andy_Shofar:
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This says it all
Let's finish the telling of it shall we? Most of the biggest things Obama has been trying to do and been unable have been due to opposition from conservatives from both parties. Your side has sacrificed honesty and what is best for ordinary people at every step of the way to stop Obama. His failure to close Guantanamo so far, to get health care passed so far, etc., are all markers of your success. So don't make fun of him. Instead, congratulate yourselves.
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peacetrain:
Andy_Shofar:
rich n:
This says it all
Let's finish the telling of it shall we? Most of the biggest things Obama has been trying to do and been unable have been due to opposition from conservatives from both parties. Your side has sacrificed honesty and what is best for ordinary people at every step of the way to stop Obama. His failure to close Guantanamo so far, to get health care passed so far, etc., are all markers of your success. So don't make fun of him. Instead, congratulate yourselves.
I take it that you don't like Saturday Day Night skits Seems like this one was your Hard Days Night!
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peacetrain:
Andy_Shofar:
rich n:
This says it all
Let's finish the telling of it shall we? Most of the biggest things Obama has been trying to do and been unable have been due to opposition from conservatives from both parties. Your side has sacrificed honesty and what is best for ordinary people at every step of the way to stop Obama. His failure to close Guantanamo so far, to get health care passed so far, etc., are all markers of your success. So don't make fun of him. Instead, congratulate yourselves.
Seems more likely that campaigning is easier than governing. Obama's party has control of both the house and senate, unlike Clinton who had a republican congress to deal with, yet he was still able to get some things done. I've said a number of times here that being conservative does not equal "republican", while liberal doesn't mean "democrat". Obama has weak leaders in the congress who are unable to deliver.....hint: they're both democrats and Obama is the head of the party, so get rid of 'em if they can't deliver for you. btw, presidents have taken a more active role in legislation before, why not now?? Johnson didn't sit out on the sidelines while trying to get civil rights and medicare/medicaid through congress. Go ahead and google that one
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should this theads name be amended?? 2010 Al Gore Interactive Ice Carving
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Andy_Shofar:
should this theads name be amended?? 2010 Al Gore Interactive Ice Carving
LOL
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Alrighty - How big is this MA Brown-Coakley election in terms of getting some Republican blood into the big bad Obama Monster? Guess who I hope wins?
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rich n:
Alrighty - How big is this MA Brown-Coakley election in terms of getting some Republican blood into the big bad Obama Monster? Guess who I hope wins?
All the best to you for a MA surprise
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appletart2:
Here is what american politics has come too. Take a look at Sarah Palin book signing and the bright bunch supporting her. These are the electors of Bush and supporter of Fox entertainment and drive the other side crazy with disblief.
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I found this opinion on another site (it's regarding the Brown-Coakley race) ...but it pretty much sums up my feelings as well... Up in New Hampshire I've watched the goings-on south of the border with great interest. Up until Friday I assumed Coakley would win and the best the GOP could do was make a close race, which would have to be good enough. But I now believe Brown's going to pull it off next week and here's why: 1. Coakley alienated Mass voters when she started running to replace Ted Kennedy before Ted had actually died. She managed to get a jump on her opponents and avoid blowback in the primary but those chickens are coming home to roost now. 2. She's the Anti-Kennedy. Mass voters are undoubtedly aware they can't bring bring Ted back, but that doesn't mean they're going to vote in someone who couldn't be any more different. If this was a Star Trek episode, Martha would have come straight from the antimatter universe, goatee and all. Ted was a lovable, freewheeling mess of man. Martha's a prim pantsuit wearing charismatic black hole. Ted reminds you of that fun uncle who'd give you his back issues of playboy and sometimes even buy you beer. Martha's your wife's sister who hates you. Ted loved to mix it up with his constituents. Martha's flunkies shove the hoi polloi to the curb when they get too close. Ted made you feel he was grateful for your support. Martha thinks you owe it to her. Ted could tell a joke. The closest Martha ever gets to a joke is when she makes herself one. 3. She didn't run a crappy campaign; for that to be true she would have had to actually run a campaign. She set her sights on the primary and after she nailed that she went on vacation, assuming she had done all the work she needed. And when she got back from Boca (or wherever) her first reaction to Brown's surge was to dive into the party elite. Instead of appealing to the voters she went over their heads to their bosses - the people who really count. And they opened their wallets to her. Scant hours after her disastrous debate performance the first big money attack add hit the "Massachusettes" airwaves and they've been flying fast and thick ever since - sometimes two and three deep. Clinton's there and Obama's coming Sunday. Don't think the voters haven't noticed this end run around them. It only makes her look more desperate and a bit slimy. 4. He helpers haven't helped much. Governor Deval Patrick's a corrupt mess. The State's flat on its back. And the leak last week that Mass might hold up Brown's certification if he wins only reinforced the perception among voters that their vote doesn't count, and this has deepened their resentment. 5. She's an apparatchik. Ted had influence, Coakley will arrive in DC as just another cog in the machine. Voters know that electing Scott Brown will have instant national repercussions and it appeals to their vanity. 6. Independents, which make up the majority of the mass electorate, have been deserting the party in droves. Oddly enough, a recent 25% sales tax increase, a moribund economy and high unemployment have conspired to reduce the attractiveness of a machine party candidate who actually proclaimed recently that "We've got to get taxes up in this state". There's a limit to what even Massachusetts voters will take - and Coakley's smashed headfirst into it. 7. Scott brown is not Coakley. 8. All the drama favors Brown. He has the momentum and his supporters are energized. They will turn out. Coakley's not so much. The current slimy barrage of attack ads aimed at Brown are probably discouraging some of her potential voters from hitting the polls because support for her means support for this transparent nastiness. If Coakley had turned negative a month ago and measured out the attacks if would have worked. Now this wild overkill just looks hysterical and even a bit evil. 9. It's obvious in retrospect that this was always Coakley's race to lose. She had every advantage from the start and if she does blow it next week most of the blame should go to her. But Brown deserves accolades for running a great campaign. He specializes in winning special elections - he got his current seat in 2004 against an affable but hapless opponent even after the Dems had rigged the election by scheduling it the same day as the national one. They assumed that voters who turned out for Kerry would just write off Brown in their partisan fervor. And while they did go heavily for Kerry that day they also went against the party grain and elected Brown. As one insider said "We cheated and he won anyway.". One could not imagine any candidate better suited to knock off Coakley. 10. Two years ago Massachusetts went heavy for "Hope and Change". This year they're going to do it again.
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As a famous yankee once said, it ain't over until it's over
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I'll be out there Tuesday morning at 7AM (since I have to work 9 until 4:45 then go to school from 5 - 9)...I was getting robot calls from both the Coakley and Brown camps...the 'Brown' calls were recorded by his daughter. Also, I never realized that more than 50% of MA's registered voters are undeclared/independent voters. I'm not sure Coakley realizes that she need to appeal to them as well as the registered Democrats. Instead, she put forth a negative campaign and people who are sick and tired of politicians in general and losing the shirts off their backs in this economy are not going for it. Instead of focusing on political issues (which I believe favors Brown regardless), these people are just hearing negative ads and saying 'I'm voting for the other guy'...
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That's true that the majority of voters here are independents, neither democrat or republican. Many have the misperception that Massachusetts is a "liberal" state....it's not. Brown unfortunately misstates facts....he made a big deal about "martha not willing to debate"...she never said that. Fact was she would not debate unless the third candidate (yes boys and girls there are three on the ballot) was there as well. All three debated. Can't believe how many clowns in NH are trying to vote here If you work in Massachusetts but live in NH, you can't. My impression is that the voters here are more fed up with Beacon Hill. The senate (where Brown comes from) had a senator picked up by the feds on bribery charges; another was involved in a hit and run was put on probation and was picked up because he failed the random sobriety test, Marzilli, sexual misconduct. Finneran (senate leader) got bounced and recently disbarred for misconduct. The House is even worse. As my mother used to tell me: "you lie down with pigs, you come up smelling like one". btw if Brown is elected it takes 10 days for certification. And like others, the Senate needs to accept the credentials before you are seated. Stay tuned.
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If Brown wins... ...all that work on healthcare reform -- down the drain. And we will see no action from Republicans to address this life-or-death issue. 45,000 Americans die every year for the simple truth of not having health insurance. I wasn't nuts about the Senate bill, but at least it would've stopped ruthless insurance companies from denying sick people coverage because of pre-existing conditions.
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jaipur:
That's true that the majority of voters here are independents, neither democrat or republican. Many have the misperception that Massachusetts is a "liberal" state....it's not. Brown unfortunately misstates facts....he made a big deal about "martha not willing to debate"...she never said that. Fact was she would not debate unless the third candidate (yes boys and girls there are three on the ballot) was there as well. All three debated. Can't believe how many clowns in NH are trying to vote here If you work in Massachusetts but live in NH, you can't. My impression is that the voters here are more fed up with Beacon Hill. The senate (where Brown comes from) had a senator picked up by the feds on bribery charges; another was involved in a hit and run was put on probation and was picked up because he failed the random sobriety test, Marzilli, sexual misconduct. Finneran (senate leader) got bounced and recently disbarred for misconduct. The House is even worse. As my mother used to tell me: "you lie down with pigs, you come up smelling like one". btw if Brown is elected it takes 10 days for certification. And like others, the Senate needs to accept the credentials before you are seated. Stay tuned. :wink:
That's what I'm afraid of...that wanker of a biatch using her clout in an attempt to cheat...
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That's cool - autocensors
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January 18, 2010, 11:34AM NEWARK, -- New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine was (is) spending his last full day in office ... Corzine today was (is) working out of his Newark office while the governor's Statehouse office in Trenton is readied for his successor. Gov.-elect Chris Christie is scheduled to be sworn in at noon Tuesday. http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/01/gov_jon_corzine_plans_to_sign.html http://www.app.com/article/20100118/NEWS03/100118042/Corzine-wraps-up-unfinished-business