The ..2012.... Political thread
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mustangsally10:
mustangsally10:
Here is interesting article that you will need to read as it includes the projected amount of the US deficit in January 2009 to be about 400 billion usd http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/budget_deficit/ And here is US Dept clock: http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/ which is kind of fun to watch if you enjoy watching dept grow by the seconds
And not to be outdone here is the Cost of Iraq War Clock which also shows the cost of the war as it increases by the second http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home All brought to you courtesy of the Republican Pary of the US
and the US taxpayers Peace
according to the Congressional Research Service the Iraq War is costing US taxpayers $222,222 PER MINUTE
That is something to be scared of... The Cost of Iraq War Clock above is interesting because you can set it to tell you how much of a share of cost your state is paying
Every child born in the USA are in debt by 30,000 the day there born due to this war. Thank you George W Bush. We can't afford to keeping doing what we've been doing and getting the same results. Its going to take a Outsider someone who is new to the senate someone who has not been there long enough to be corrupted. Obama is clearly the only one we got and could want. I been impressed with him once I paid attention. I also like Huckleby because both the guys are the only one who actually seem to talk from the heart and not like Hillary who is so polished and Mccain who used to be OK but he desperate to win, he knows if he is not president this time it over and he sold his soul. The Puppeteer figured by putting McCain out there would bring in the moderate and or maybe the liberals. However I think American has had enough of the war monger and for any who voted for the war. We are a nation divided and we need a someone who can unite. Obama will unite. We can't afford to put in another good old boy or girl to go back in and do business for corp american once again. Both McCain and CLinton have been in there a long time isn't it time for doing and stop with the promiss of change. Hillary platform is health care. She has been in a office of power for 14 years and has done nothing on health care. Nothing! They talk the talk but there do nothing. Doing away with govement paid health care alone would be a huge start in forcing the insurance company to compete on a fair playing field with the self employeed and private sector.
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Hillary main backer is health care insurance companies. Who does she serve?
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For the record, it's "Huckabee" not "Huckleby".
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in1964johnlennonwashot:
For the record, it's "Huckabee" not "Huckleby".
teach me to ask someone else how to spell it.
I thought it was bee.
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"okey, do it, go ahead, throw away your votes, vote to the third party" Bob Dole (Kudos the alien) and Bill Clinton (Kang the alien) in a hilarious Simpson episode. [size=7]And I'm in the same situation here in Spain for the elections in March 9th
PS. I don't even know who's "President Adams" in the video above, I just post it because of the Simpsons. -
Does anyone else feel like we are electing our President (200
like American Idol? A popularity contest. vote now: 1-800 3-B.O. 1-800 2 -H.R.C. 1-800 1 J.Mc. or you can text nextpres3-B.O. nextpres 2-H.R.C. nextpres 1 J.Mc. [size=7]*don't try this at home or when you are driving or at work or at a store or out for a walk or jog, or at the gym or putting on your shoes, or at the mall or reading the newspaper or watching television, while drinking coffee or anything for that matter.
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The_Fool:
Does anyone else feel like we are electing our President (200
like American Idol? A popularity contest. vote now: 1-800 3-B.O. 1-800 2 -H.R.C. 1-800 1 J.Mc. or you can text nextpres3-B.O. nextpres 2-H.R.C. nextpres 1 J.Mc. [size=7]*don't try this at home or when you are driving or at work or at a store or out for a walk or jog, or at the gym or putting on your shoes, or at the mall or reading the newspaper or watching television, while drinking coffee or anything for that matter.
We definitely know the one's that are.....the one's that aren't are just scratching their heads and saying......"HELP"
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The_Fool:
Does anyone else feel like we are electing our President (200
like American Idol? A popularity contest. vote now: 1-800 3-B.O. 1-800 2 -H.R.C. 1-800 1 J.Mc. or you can text nextpres3-B.O. nextpres 2-H.R.C. nextpres 1 J.Mc. [size=7]*don't try this at home or when you are driving or at work or at a store or out for a walk or jog, or at the gym or putting on your shoes, or at the mall or reading the newspaper or watching television, while drinking coffee or anything for that matter.
The question would be... did you do that too for choosing the last president (GWB)?
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That last election -- John Kerry did not have a plan -- he said with empty words -- but would not say what his plan was ... now there is another guy -- who seems to give good speeches -- but many times does not say what his plan is -- (same party ) ... B.O. At this time I do not plan on voting for the two who want to move the direction of this country to a socialist -type of agenda (my opinion only -- no cut and paste support -- or anything of the sort) However .... that only leaves a few standing -- and at this time I am not that convinced that they will do the job well either -- so it is an usure feeling about the whole thing so far
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Just some other observations: Universal health care: it has been an issue for a very long time...it started with Truman. Johnson got some pieces of it: medicare/medicaid. Clinton didn't get there either (repubican congress at the time) during his time in office. As far as I can see, neither Obama or Clinton (she) is proposing a "single payer" approach.....that is the approach Canada, the UK, France have taken. That's not going to happen here in my view. Clinton was instrumental in getting CHIPS (covering children). It took Dodd years to get the medical leave act passed. Gaining consensus in congress obviously isn't easy. No one likes to hear that but it's true.
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21st Century Paul:
The_Fool:
Does anyone else feel like we are electing our President (200
like American Idol? A popularity contest. vote now: 1-800 3-B.O. 1-800 2 -H.R.C. 1-800 1 J.Mc. or you can text nextpres3-B.O. nextpres 2-H.R.C. nextpres 1 J.Mc. [size=7]*don't try this at home or when you are driving or at work or at a store or out for a walk or jog, or at the gym or putting on your shoes, or at the mall or reading the newspaper or watching television, while drinking coffee or anything for that matter.
The question would be... did you do that too for choosing the last president (GWB)?
Honestly? I can only speak for myself but no.
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The_Fool:
Does anyone else feel like we are electing our President (200
like American Idol? A popularity contest. vote now: 1-800 3-B.O. 1-800 2 -H.R.C. 1-800 1 J.Mc. or you can text nextpres3-B.O. nextpres 2-H.R.C. nextpres 1 J.Mc. [size=7]*don't try this at home or when you are driving or at work or at a store or out for a walk or jog, or at the gym or putting on your shoes, or at the mall or reading the newspaper or watching television, while drinking coffee or anything for that matter.
Before I vote, I would like to hear them sing.
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Fan Since 1964:
[ I like your colleague's approach and yes it is an interesting excercise. It was good of you to share it.
You're welcome. It is an interesting way to look at it. Truman was in office only months and was, in effect, inexperienced.
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Truman's inexperience showed. He vaporized almost 1/2 million innocent people, and then got us into Korea.
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Japan would not surrender otherwise. Better than another 3 million dead with an invasion and another 4 years.
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jaipur:
Japan would not surrender otherwise. Better than another 3 million dead with an invasion and another 4 years.
There's no proof of that, and if you have it, present it here. Killing innocent civilians, tens of thousands of children, doesn't justify what the US did.
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McCain mocks Obama. TYLER, Texas - Republican presidential hopeful John McCain mocked Barack Obama's view of al-Qaida in Iraq, and Democratic contender responded that GOP policies brought the terrorist group there. The rapid-fire, long-distance exchange Wednesday underscored that the two consider each other likely general election rivals, even though the Democratic contest remains unresolved. McCain criticized Obama for saying in Tuesday night's Democratic debate that, after U.S. troops were withdrawn, as president he would act "if al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq." "I have some news. Al-Qaida is in Iraq. It's called `al-Qaida in Iraq,'" McCain told a crowd in Tyler, Texas, drawing laughter at Obama's expense. He said Obama's statement was "pretty remarkable," Obama quickly answered back while campaigning in Ohio. "I do know that al-Qaida is in Iraq and that's why I have said we should continue to strike al-Qaida targets," he told a rally at Ohio State University in Columbus. "But I have some news for John McCain," Obama added. "There was no such thing as al-Qaida in Iraq until George Bush and John McCain decided to invade Iraq. ... They took their eye off the people who were responsible for 9/11 and that would be al-Qaida in Afghanistan, that is stronger now than at any time since 2001." Obama said he intended to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq "so we actually start going after al-Qaida in Afghanistan and in the hills of Pakistan like we should have been doing in the first place." While he praised McCain as a war hero and saluted his service to the country, Obama said the Arizona Republican was "tied to the politics of the past. We are about policies of the future." Noting that McCain likes to tell audiences that he'd follow Osama bin Laden to the "gates of hell" to catch him, Obama taunted: "All he (McCain) has done is to follow George Bush into a misguided war in Iraq." McCain said he had not watched Tuesday night's Democratic presidential debate but was told of Obama's response when asked if as president he would reserve the right to send U.S. troops back into Iraq to quell an insurrection or civil war. Obama did not say whether he'd send troops but responded: "As commander in chief, I will always reserve the right to make sure that we are looking out for American interests. And if al-Qaida is forming a base in Iraq, then we will have to act in a way that secures the American homeland and our interests abroad." On Wednesday, Obama expanded slightly that he "would always reserve the right to go in and strike al-Qaida if they were in Iraq" without detailing what kind of strike that might be ? air, ground or both. Throughout the primary season, McCain has repeatedly attacked Obama and Clinton for saying they would withdraw troops from Iraq. "And my friends, if we left, they (al-Qaida) wouldn't be establishing a base," McCain said Wednesday. "They'd be taking a country, and I'm not going to allow that to happen, my friends. I will not surrender. I will not surrender to al-Qaida." He said that withdrawing troops would be "waving the white flag." In the debate, Clinton did not answer the question about re-invasion of Iraq on grounds it contained "lots of different hypothetical assessments." For years, McCain has urged sending more troops into Iraq, even before President Bush adopted such a strategy about a year ago. "I knew enough from talking to the men and women who are serving that this new strategy was what we needed, and I'm telling you, it is succeeding," McCain said. "So what needs to happen, we need to continue this strategy. It should be General Petraeus' recommendation, not that of a politician running for higher office, as to when and how we withdraw." He was referring to Gen. David Petraeus, the top American commander in Iraq. As he began a swing through President Bush's home state, which holds a presidential primary election on Tuesday, McCain made sure to play up a line he always uses: "I also think it might be nice for President Bush to get a little credit that there's not been another attack on the United States of America," he said to applause. Both Obama and Clinton campaigned in Ohio on Wednesday. Obama was heading later in the day for at least three days of campaigning in Texas.
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PHILLIP:
jaipur:
Japan would not surrender otherwise. Better than another 3 million dead with an invasion and another 4 years.
There's no proof of that, and if you have it, present it here. Killing innocent civilians, tens of thousands of children, doesn't justify what the US did.
Of course there is. Look for yourself. There's no point of "presenting" anything here as you would dismiss it anyway. People are killed in wars. That's a fact. Whether you agree or disagree with what Truman actually did doesn't really matter...what does matter here is how you think either of these candidates would respond to that type of scenario. That would guide your choice.
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jaipur:
PHILLIP:
jaipur:
Japan would not surrender otherwise. Better than another 3 million dead with an invasion and another 4 years.
There's no proof of that, and if you have it, present it here. Killing innocent civilians, tens of thousands of children, doesn't justify what the US did.
Of course there is. Look for yourself. There's no point of "presenting" anything here as you would dismiss it anyway. People are killed in wars. That's a fact. Whether you agree or disagree with what Truman actually did doesn't really matter...what does matter here is how you think either of these candidates respond to that type of scenario.
You made the statement, you should be able to back it up. I would hope anyone in the White House would never, ever use nuclear weapons.
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It's an example of the types of decisions made in the Oval Office. That is what is being considered for these candidates. I can't say with absolute certainty that it would never be considered. And that's the point: They don't follow the president around with the "football" for nothing. One of the three will get it next. The proposed invasion of Japan is common in any american history class...maybe you missed it: "Intelligence studies and military estimates made 50 years ago, and not latter-day speculation, clearly indicate that the battle for Japan might well have resulted in the biggest blood-bath in the history of modern warfare. Far worse would be what might have happened to Japan as a nation and as a culture. When the invasion came, it would have come after several months of fire bombing all of the remaining Japanese cities. The cost in human life that resulted from the two atomic blasts would be small in comparison to the total number of Japanese lives that would have been lost by this aerial devastation. "