The ..2012.... Political thread
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liberals by definition do not support war republicans by definition support the hometeam democrats by definition are trying to mediate the differences between liberals and republicans while liberals and republicans are convinced that we have to choose one idea over the other?
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peacetrain:
rich n:
oobu24:
rich n:
I wonder what our friend Obama thinks of dogs and their welfare...given that he called Michael Vick to congratulate him for being such a nice guy (either that or he's looking for playoff tickets )
IMO Vick should be in jail. Nice example he is for that (dog fighting) community. : Don't get me started with Obama & dogs. He should have adopted a dog & been a good example to the country & show the couintry that we have to look at the population problem. So many dogs are killed daily. He could have found a nonallergetic dog there. Sorry, but I think he was wrong to get one from a breeder even though they say it was a gift from Kennedy.
I'm just shocked Obama sought out that association - I don't care for Obama very much, but gave him more credit than that
You're a bunch of malignant fools. To care about one dog that was or was not adopted. Yet you especially, rich n, have justified some seriously coercive s**t of the government over the years here. What goes on in your head is scary.
ROFL - I hardly know or care about this supposed dog. I'm referring to the 'big picture' irony of a lot of fans here of Obama who are also sensitive to animal cruelty...they're turning their heads away on this one, trying to 'poo poo' it off as if it never happened. Or maybe you didn't hear the story in yesterday's news - the one where Obama reached out to Vick to congratulate him on being a good citizen (YIKES - kind of like his apologist approach with terrorist...i.e. 'sorry you don't like us')
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rich n:
peacetrain:
rich n:
oobu24:
rich n:
I wonder what our friend Obama thinks of dogs and their welfare...given that he called Michael Vick to congratulate him for being such a nice guy (either that or he's looking for playoff tickets )
IMO Vick should be in jail. Nice example he is for that (dog fighting) community. : Don't get me started with Obama & dogs. He should have adopted a dog & been a good example to the country & show the couintry that we have to look at the population problem. So many dogs are killed daily. He could have found a nonallergetic dog there. Sorry, but I think he was wrong to get one from a breeder even though they say it was a gift from Kennedy.
I'm just shocked Obama sought out that association - I don't care for Obama very much, but gave him more credit than that
You're a bunch of malignant fools. To care about one dog that was or was not adopted. Yet you especially, rich n, have justified some seriously coercive s**t of the government over the years here. What goes on in your head is scary.
ROFL - I hardly know or care about this supposed dog. I'm referring to the 'big picture' irony of a lot of fans here of Obama who are also sensitive to animal cruelty...they're turning their heads away on this one, trying to 'poo poo' it off as if it never happened. Or maybe you didn't hear the story in yesterday's news - the one where Obama reached out to Vick to congratulate him on being a good citizen (YIKES - kind of like his apologist approach with terrorist...i.e. 'sorry you don't like us')
Malignant fool? Sorry but yes, I did care at the time whether he adopted a dog or not. There is a BIG ANIMAL community out here & a lot of people involved in rescue. Which equates to votes. If a person has been doing rescue work all of their life it is a big deal & would have helped immensely if he had adopted a dog. I'm a fool for mentioning this? WTF??? : :
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so happy to see all you animal lovers here. I also wish Obama had adopted a rescued pup and was a vegetarian/vegan as all real animal lovers are but he has never stated that he was an animal lover so I didn't expect that he would. But you animal lover/vegetarian/vegans have surprised me so I invite you all to join us at the vegetarian recipes thread in the Cosmically Conscious section. just having a laugh at the hypocrites
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mustangsally10:
so happy to see all you animal lovers here. I also wish Obama had adopted a rescued pup and was a vegetarian/vegan as all real animal lovers are but he has never stated that he was an animal lover so I didn't expect that he would. But you animal lover/vegetarian/vegans have surprised me so I invite you all to join us at the vegetarian recipes thread in the Cosmically Conscious section. just having a laugh at the hypocrites
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Its that time of year for a title change Hope you like it
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It's 2011...another year over...and a new one just begun war is over...when we wish it
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Why I believe in universal healthcare: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_transplant_coverage_death
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When I first read this, I thought the headline was the world's most colossal typo: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40946997/ns/politics-capitol_hill I suppose she'll be getting paid by people bartering chickens with her.
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So any thoughts on the assignation of this Dem Senator?? I have not had TV on today but heard a bit..I think Obama is wasting a golden moment to point out that Sarah Palin remarks about loading guns brought this on. Now look a mother of 4 murdered.. just nail that woman and put her out of the race fast and firm. She got this woman blood on her hands. She responsible for this kind of reaction. I will bet a tea partier will be the killer, heavily involved in Rep politics before. Just saying.... sounds like crazy ass red neck republican mentality to me.. I did take note how Fox had the low down on this before anyone else by 15 minutes. So whats with that???
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Absolutely, appletart - there are right wing politicians and news vendors (if you can call the bile they spew news) with blood on their hands now.
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I feel bad for the woman's family. Killing a Politician, (any Politician,) is pointless. Now, the people who are pulling the Politicians' strings: That's a different story.
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well it appears they caught the guy he was 22 years old.. a judge got it too so who knows if it was her or the judge who was the target. Could have something to do with boarder issues. U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Gifford was her name. BlogS lighting up with blame for Palin...GOOD!!! http://www.politicsdaily.com/2011/01/08/sarah-palin-blamed-by-bloggers-for-shooting-of-gabrielle-gifford/
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This is Sarah Palins idea of being Presidential calling for rivals to be murdered. Note the states.
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appletart2:
So any thoughts on the assignation of this Dem Senator?? I have not had TV on today but heard a bit..I think Obama is wasting a golden moment to point out that Sarah Palin remarks about loading guns brought this on. Now look a mother of 4 murdered.. just nail that woman and put her out of the race fast and firm. She got this woman blood on her hands. She responsible for this kind of reaction. I will bet a tea partier will be the killer, heavily involved in Rep politics before. Just saying.... sounds like crazy ass red neck republican mentality to me.. I did take note how Fox had the low down on this before anyone else by 15 minutes. So whats with that???
Last I heard, she was still alive but in critical condition...but other's died in the attack. My thoughts and prayers go out to her as well as the families of all victims involved in the attack. The funny thing about this thread is seeing how the libs come out guns ablazin' to blame the 'right wing' and blend this tragedy into a spin that works for their cause...she's a democrat, I'm not - but the last thing I thought of when I heard the news was 'what party is she affiliated with?' The facts are that the guy who did this was nuts, up to and included believing the 'end of the world in 2012' thing. Evidently he had met the congresswoman on one other occasion and thought she sounded 'stupid'...that doesn't sound like anyone who's left or right wing, but rather 'coo coo'...
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The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
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anna_medlicka:
The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
From the reports I've read, it's likely this guy was affiliated with anti government groups...All this 'left', 'right' talk is completely inappropriate...6 people were killed during this incident, including a 9 year old girl
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anna_medlicka:
The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
All I can say is WTF will the martians invade too. Kindly read some american political history they have had movements / realignments in the past. memo to self never ever go to a cinema with Anna.
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anna_medlicka:
The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
Astute observations! I've been noticing the same thing for the last 9 years. There are some significant differences, however. A friend wrote this a while back:
Rachel Morgan:
The fascists have gotten smart. They realized after WWII that dictatorships don't really work. You've got to give an appearance of a democratic republic of some sort. Hence "democratic fascism". Why do I say this? The first thing necessary for a fascist state to succeed is to bust up unions and other labor organizations. They've been substantially weakened. And now are pretty powerless. That happened during the 1980s, and they've gotten weaker and weaker as people are convinced by the corporate propaganda machine over the airwaves to vote against their own interests. They are told that Goldman Sachs are the good guys. That BP is the good guys (Rush is saying the explosion was sabotage by left wingers). How government is bad, except when the corporatists want more government. Fascism is a full cooperation between the corporation and the state. The state exists for the benefit of the corporation. How well is that working out for us? * hence there will be no effective financial reform. not now. not in the immediate future. * there is no both sides of the media. there is only one side. they create the illusion that there are more than one side.
This is why I say attacking Politicians is beyond pointless. They're all going to spout one rhetoric or another, but they're ALL going to do what their Rich and Powerful Elite masters tell them to. The thing about WW2 was it had clearly a defined "Bad Guy," Adolf Hitler. Everybody knew who to blame and who they had to get rid of. Nowadays, they've "muddied the waters" so much, nobody knows who is really to blame, or even who is really running things.
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rich n:
anna_medlicka:
The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
From the reports I've read, it's likely this guy was affiliated with anti government groups...All this 'left', 'right' talk is completely inappropriate...6 people were killed during this incident, including a 9 year old girl
As someone who considers the Democrats as too right wing for me. I found the socalled liberal wing of american politics extremely distasteful , peoples bodies had nt even got to the bloody morgue but any investigation, consideration of facts even heaven forbid the taking of a big breath and remembering innocent until proven guilty.