The ..2012.... Political thread
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rich n:
anna_medlicka:
The thing is getting really scary now! I discussed the tea party movement recently with friends and we all had to agree that we don't know enough about it,... that we don't know exactly what's going on but that the political climate in the US right now bears a heavy resemblance with the climate in germany between 1925 and 1933... and then there it all went wrong! And now this happened and the father of Gabrielle Giffords was asked if his daughter had any enemies and he replied "the whole tea party movement"! This movement is probably the most dangerous and scary movement I've ever seen in a democratic country! I fear for the US that it might be in great danger with this movement! That was a weird evening yesterday! I was watching a programme on the life and death of JFK and then suddenly I saw Obama's message on facebook! And all I could think about was "it happened before and it can happen any time again... first it's just congress people, then it's the president!" Good luck, America!
From the reports I've read, it's likely this guy was affiliated with anti government groups...All this 'left', 'right' talk is completely inappropriate...6 people were killed during this incident, including a 9 year old girl
Which should make you question even harder what may have caused this! I doubt it's video games, horror movies and Marilyn Manson!
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It seems from the broadcasts this afternoon that what happened in Tucson was a vendetta against the congresswoman (there was a letter from a similar event back in 2007 that was found in the suspect's home). There has been nothing about what his "political" leanings were. I would not be concerned yet about the Tea Party. Calm down.
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You would be throwing common senses out the door if you do not call a shooting at a political rally of a Politician at point blank range in the head a politically motivated crime. You would also be throwing common senses out the door if you saw no correlation of Sarah Palin's unbelievable irresponsible and outrageous remarks about loading guns and reloading guns and targets over the very state which this assassination attempt went down. Which they had trouble the same month she made these remarks at this very same politicians office. Odd that the speaker from the FBI and the local polices seem soooo careful to pretend that this person could just be mentally ill and not politically motivated...I don't care if little green men were whispering in this person ear or not. Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, and Rush Limbaugh, and Bill Oreilly constant references to people getting there guns, insighted this attack which left a poor little 9 year old child dead. I have to wonder what pressure The Rep Governor and Rep Senator McCain are putting on th FBI and Police Chief to down play the obvious common senses conclusion. Charlie Manson didn't go to jail because he killed anyone he went to jail because ordered deranged people to commit murder. Sarah Palin should be arrested and charged with insighting harm against a politician.. My god we have her on tape and on her own web site with maps and targets set up. Same with the rest of the Fox team. All are on public record and IF a standard is not taken against this kind of reckless journalism. What's next? As a Democracy do we want people to be afraid to go to heated debates and defend their position.. Didn't we see enough of this behavior in the health care debates watching big red neck's hover over people in wheel chairs, screaming and jeering at them and throwing dollars on them like they were beggars for coming to express their need for health care reform. If Palin walks on this it will be travesty. I foresee a spin on this guy.. The media will turn this story around because the Media gets too much ratings, prancing Palin around, so they don't want to lose there media darling..its about rating and filling up space on TV for all these talk shows.. Remember OJ Simpson trial! All this garbage started when we went to 24 hour news reporting. It gone from informing us to manipulating us and sensationalism to keep viewers. We need as a nation to take a close look at ownership of media and do something about it.. you can't have 4 networks owned by like wise people who also own magazines, radio station, book publishing, newspaper and not have a form of power that can alter minds. When I say own i mean Sumner Redstone owes something like 500 outlets. he is CBS, Paramount Picture, he is the distributor of 90% of all movies distributed across the US.. People magazine on and on. What is more powerful the control of a countries banking system or control of the media and flow of information You repeat the sky is falling enough times people will start to react regardless if the bank really are doing fine. One bad news story about a stock and it drops in value, one bad news story about a public figure there in trouble.. Prancing a blatant fool around and telling us all she Presidential material enough times and people by into it and make money off it.
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And if any more democrats try to make this a finger pointing session instead of stepping back to respect the tragedy for what it was, they should have their 'party card' stripped from them and they should never be allowed to be public servants again. And similar to you, Charles Manson claims that Helter Skelter was a motivating factor...does that mean we should blame Paul McCartney all of a sudden? Your comments are equally insane. In the aftermath of the accusations thrown towards Palin and her 'target' thing, I googled up targets in Massachusetts and the map I saw had actual targets placed over towns where Target stores were located. How is that any different and where do you draw the line? (actually I know where the line would be drawn - dependent on whether a democrat or republican came up with the idea)
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: pic of republican/conservative spinning In his brilliance Paul Krugman says it best: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/10/opinion/10krugman.html?hp The republican base in the US is composed of ditto heads who absorb the hate speech of Palin, Beck , OReilly , Limbaugh etc. ..then when the less rational in their audience is violent they said they didn't incite violence. Ditto heads can't think for themselves because of ignorance or prejudice etc. and are very dangerous. Ignorance in that extreme is always dangerous. Sympathy to the families of the victims
ps I am very scared richn is going to strip me of my democratic party card
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Like I said IF YOU WANT TO THROW COMMON SENSE OUT THE WINDOW Save your rhetoric about respecting the victims. The congress woman husband has publicly said his wife only enemies were the Tea Party. M very first thoughts about this was Palin s comments and I'm not alone. That was where she put targets and I remember thinking when she publicly made these crazy ass comments..this isn't good. There trying to get Obama assassinated. I owe these victims the respect to put a end to further violences caused by reckless political figures looking to get press. Load and reload who says that kind of stuff when talking about the other guy.. My reference to Manson was he went to jail and he didn't pull the trigger PERIOD!!!! Spin you crap somewhere else. There no spinning here. Palin's said a really dangerous thing and now she has blood on her hands. McCain was sitting right behind her. What she meant was very clear. When people got outraged SHE spun it and said oh don't let them spin my words.. She said it and has to own it!! Palin's comments like Fox's is trying to insight people into riots. After her comments all the tea partier started showing up at debates with loaded gun.. I putting this on the record right now. If I ever show up to a debate with a loaded gun. Be afraid! You don't go to debates armed unless you mean to harm someone or intimidate. However after this sad day you might have too be armed to protect yourself against tea partier. People like YOU were all hell bent to kill Muslims after 911 why should we not have a knee jerk reaction to a obvious dangerous comment that a Presidential elect said that has come true and resulted in the death of a child. He loaded a gun shot off 31 rounds and tried to reload....PERIOD!!!
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Let see if Sarah Palin gets elected after this.
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One thing I don't see Palin doing is doing her talking to the public via late night tv and comedy shows - Apparently, Obama supporters aren't insulted by the fact that, in order to reach the bulk of them, he had to dumb down his appearances to the same venues that host such intellectual greats as Betty White and Snookie the wonder tramp Not so surprisingly, only after the shooting of someone who supports his own agenda does Obama make a personal request for the FBI to investigate
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As for 'rhetoric'...you should look in the mirror to see who's turning this tragedy into a rallying point for your agenda
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I think her and Oprah need to sit down and talk.. I like to hear what brain dead has to say about anything. Just not when it fox news and she all bubbly and gitty because she has the answer to the question prepared in advance.
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appletart2:
I think her and Oprah need to sit down and talk.. I like to hear what brain dead has to say about anything. Just not when it fox news and she all bubbly and gitty because she has the answer to the question prepared in advance.
I'm sure it would come off better than anything Obama could ever read off a telepromter of material stolen from our very own governor of the state of MA (not that he's worth a sack o' potatoes either)
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the republican/right wingers are really grasping at straws trying to spin their way out of this...the truth is that the republican/conservative leaders who have incited violence and their ditto head followers have blood on their hands
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mustangsally10:
the republican/right wingers are really grasping at straws trying to spin their way out of this...the truth is that the republican/conservative leaders who have incited violence and their ditto head followers have blood on their hands
Funny enough, the only people making it a politican spin (or anything for that matter) are democrats
As for the earlier allegation that this 'had to be politically motivated', it's turning into a 'the devil made me do it' story according to officials. And while this killer's (psychotic) claim is most likely a reference to the actual biblical demon, if he was actually referring to a political party, he would've meant 'democrats'
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rich n:
mustangsally10:
the republican/right wingers are really grasping at straws trying to spin their way out of this...the truth is that the republican/conservative leaders who have incited violence and their ditto head followers have blood on their hands
Funny enough, the only people making it a politican spin (or anything for that matter) are democrats
As for the earlier allegation that this 'had to be politically motivated', it's turning into a 'the devil made me do it' story according to officials. And while this killer's (psychotic) claim is most likely a reference to the actual biblical demon, if he was actually referring to a political party, he would've meant 'democrats'
Yep, the republican/right wingers are becoming unhinged and making even less sense that usual. An assassination attempt was made on a congresswoman, a federal judge was killed and innocent bystanders killed (including a child) all at a political rally....and that's not politically motivated...pleassse
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mustangsally10:
rich n:
mustangsally10:
the republican/right wingers are really grasping at straws trying to spin their way out of this...the truth is that the republican/conservative leaders who have incited violence and their ditto head followers have blood on their hands
Funny enough, the only people making it a politican spin (or anything for that matter) are democrats
As for the earlier allegation that this 'had to be politically motivated', it's turning into a 'the devil made me do it' story according to officials. And while this killer's (psychotic) claim is most likely a reference to the actual biblical demon, if he was actually referring to a political party, he would've meant 'democrats'
Yep, the republican/right wingers are becoming unhinged and making even less sense that usual. An assassination attempt was made on a congresswoman, a federal judge was killed and innocent bystanders killed (including a child) all at a political rally....and that's not politically motivated...pleassse
Yup - Dems in action...treading on the graves of those who died in the name of attempting to gain the upper hand...
Actually, I need to pull out my 'hand clapping' emoticon when I get home. Not sure how you guys can sleep at night with this insidious agenda to uphold
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rich n:
mustangsally10:
rich n:
mustangsally10:
the republican/right wingers are really grasping at straws trying to spin their way out of this...the truth is that the republican/conservative leaders who have incited violence and their ditto head followers have blood on their hands
Funny enough, the only people making it a politican spin (or anything for that matter) are democrats
As for the earlier allegation that this 'had to be politically motivated', it's turning into a 'the devil made me do it' story according to officials. And while this killer's (psychotic) claim is most likely a reference to the actual biblical demon, if he was actually referring to a political party, he would've meant 'democrats'
Yep, the republican/right wingers are becoming unhinged and making even less sense that usual. An assassination attempt was made on a congresswoman, a federal judge was killed and innocent bystanders killed (including a child) all at a political rally....and that's not politically motivated...pleassse
Yup - Dems in action...treading on the graves of those who died in the name of attempting to gain the upper hand...
Actually, I need to pull out my 'hand clapping' emoticon when I get home. Not sure how you guys can sleep at night with this insidious agenda to uphold
This is getting kind of scarey with you using all the laughing emoticons and talking about how the dems are dismissing the tragedy. I won't use the clinical term here but it sure sounds dismissive of reality. Unhinged indeed
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the fact remains, Gov Palin had Rep Giffords' district on her list. Targetted her with crosshairs. Her name was also on this list. In an interview, when asked did Rep Giffords feel targeted, she said she did. She said there are consequences to these words and symbols. And the worst in fact happened. Why should Gov Palin make anyone feel like a target? Sarah sure doesn't like it now when she's the target of a lot of anger right now. Gov Palin, took down her list and had her people try to say crosshairs are a common map symbol (which they are not). Own it lady. I don't think anyone actually believes Gov Palin or anyone other than this madman is at fault. But there comes a time to take responsibility for dangerous talk. Personally I think she used her gun talk to be a smartas* and piss off liberals. maybe now we can actually have intelligent discussions. There was no need to reload as Palin would say. We could regroup and we should. Instead of denying you are at fault, be a leader on a new way to communicate.
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I agree this is a time for all of us to agree to disagree in a respectful manner. It hard when the media gets us all riled up and angry. When Politician say there passing laws to better the middle class but in reality the bills fall flat and in some cases, like the bank bail out down right gave money to those who cause the problems. When 80% of America wanted to see the rich pay more taxes but both parties sold us out. People on both side are angry. The only thing we can do is to get term limits so when we get a group of bad apples in office like we have now....they have the power only for so long. Right now it all about getting re-elected. And the party is a unit. So they don't allow anyone from there own party to rock the boat. So we vote party not people. It made the system become polarized. Palin refuses to go on the air and talk so all we see of her is this staged rhetoric. She makes excuse up but clearly she afraid to face a reporter like before with Kate Couric who asked her the super tough question..what do you read? Who knew it would cause Palin's head to explode.
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The problem with the blame game is because it takes the actions of a nut job (and it's now being reported just as I mentioned above - a 'the devil made me do it' deal' and blame it on a particular party who played no part, directly or indirectly. Completely irresponsible...I guess the responsibility of the death of the retired democratic officer who burned in their car this morning down in Washington DC also falls in Palin's hands as well, right?