The ..2012.... Political thread
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EADG:
Did anybody besides me see those clowns Scarborough, Barnicle and Ford slandering the Oakland police the other day? I guess that's what we should expect from msnbc And then mayor Quan, instead of sticking up for the police for doing their job, goes on tv and folds like a marzipan dildo. Disgraceful.
If the shitty shoe fits...
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al Sabah:
Even though Obama never single-handedly saved the world as some of his supporters seem to have expected, can it really be true that anyone would be a better replacement?
Obama is doing perfectly fine. ...and dealing with 20 years of Republicans...and 12 years of Democrats...out of the most recent 5 Presidents.
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A Rocky Mountain "NO!!!" to Tax Hikes 11/1/2011 If 2008 was an election for change, tonight was an election for no change ? with Colorado voters rejecting tax hikes, ballot initiatives and refusing to overhaul school boards. Voters resoundingly shot down the only statewide ballot measure, which would have raised taxes for nearly $3 billion in school funding. http://www.denverpost.com/politics/ci_19245045
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Occupy Seattle surrounded the Sheridan hotel where Jamie Dimon was staying. Police put up chain link fence and pepper spray crowd. And I though we only had police security for dignitaries. Who knew Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase has such connectioning :
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appletart2:
Occupy Seattle surrounded the Sheridan hotel where Jamie Dimon was staying. Police put up chain link fence and pepper spray crowd. And I though we only had police security for dignitaries. Who knew Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase has such connectioning :
Do these clowns even have a point? I mean 'we're against corporate greed' is a pretty broad and unfocused mission statement, doncha think? For some reason, the Janis Joplin lyric 'Having lots of freedom means nothing left to lose' somehow pops up in my mind when thinking of these 'protesters'...LOL
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I find it offensive to call them "clowns." They deserve respect, for one thing, they're not out looting, destroying and fighting, and terrorizing people in the streets as happened in England not long ago. For the most part they are demonstrating peacefully as is their right. Did you think the Tea Party rallies were all "clowns." And Tea Partiers are not heeding the wishes of the Founding Fathers on taxation, without taxing the early U.S.A. would not have amassed monies to exist, and have credit, and borrow, and to be a real nation that produces and provides goods and services. Throwing a fit over small tax increases is greatly harming the country. I saw a list of what the occupiers desire and will try to find it again and reproduce it here.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
I find it offensive to call them "clowns." They deserve respect, for one thing, they're not out looting, destroying and fighting, and terrorizing people in the streets as happened in England not long ago. For the most part they are demonstrating peacefully as is their right. Did you think the Tea Party rallies were all "clowns." And Tea Partiers are not heeding the wishes of the Founding Fathers on taxation, without taxing the early U.S.A. would not have amassed monies to exist, and have credit, and borrow, and to be a real nation that produces and provides goods and services. Throwing a fit over small tax increases is greatly harming the country. I saw a list of what the occupiers desire and will try to find it again and reproduce it here.
Clowns = a handful of well intended organizers and then a swell of followers without a clue. Although the nuance was much different, it's like how the first hour of rioting after the Rodney King verdict probably had some degree of well-meaningness, it was just a free for all after that
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PS - I've seen a list as well and in reality, it is just various opinions taken from a number of those who are 'protesting'...not an organized list from a definitive leader
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Rich, to call these people clowns is pretty mild. Most clowns are good-natured and funny. Considering the mess and ongoing public nuisance these misfits are perpetrating, not to mention the nefarious groups supporting them, I don't think "vermin" would be inappropriate.
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people who are used to being fed what to think are very threatened by those who have the clarity to see and understand what and why the world is near collapse financially, environmentally, and morally. They can't function without being outer directed. The Occupy movement is self directed. It's brilliant, organic, spontaneous and has already changed the direction. The more people find out about it the more they support it. But, there will be those who will not understand and of course they are the ones who are responsible for creating the environment which has made this movement necessary whether by their greed and sense of entitlement or by their vulnerability to be controlled and used by those who would use their productivity and actions for their own gain. Don't expect it to be run like a corporation(that's the point)...it's a peoples movement and it's not going away.
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I?m sure by now you?ve heard somewhere on the mainstream media that the Occupy Wall St. protestors are a bunch aimless college kids running around not really sure of what it is they are protesting or what it is they want. Well they have released a mission statement and it appears to me that they know exactly what they want and exactly what they are protesting. Check it out below: As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies. As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known. They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage. They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses. They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one?s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation. They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization. They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices. They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right. They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers? healthcare and pay. They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility. They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance. They have sold our privacy as a commodity. They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press. They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit. They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce. They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them. They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil. They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people?s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit. They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit. They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media. They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt. They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad. They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas. They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts. * To the people of the world, We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power. Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone. To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal. Join us and make your voices heard!
Demand one: Restoration of the living wage. This demand can only be met by ending ?Freetrade? by re-imposing trade tariffs on all imported goods entering the American market to level the playing field for domestic family farming and domestic manufacturing as most nations that are dumping cheap products onto the American market have radical wage and environmental regulation advantages. Another policy that must be instituted is raise the minimum wage to twenty dollars an hr. Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors. Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment. More tyranny at gunpoint, the sort of persuasion preferred by socialists. It is obvious the OWS socialists didn?t think this one through. They are obviously misinformed on how fractional reserve banking and the fiat money system work and how it perniciously destroys wealth. Wages are now largely and increasingly insufficient because of inflation that is epidemic (regardless of what the government and corporate media tell you) due to the fact the monetary base is ?elastic,? in other words manipulated and inflated by the Federal Reserve and the money masters. If you?d like to get an idea of how much the banksters have debased the dollar and jacked up inflation since 1913 (when the Federal Reserve was established), Demand three: Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment. Demand four: Free college education. Demand five: Begin a fast track process to bring the fossil fuel economy to an end while at the same bringing the alternative energy economy up to energy demand. Demand six: One trillion dollars in infrastructure (Water, Sewer, Rail, Roads and Bridges and Electrical Grid) spending now. Demand seven: One trillion dollars in ecological restoration planting forests, reestablishing wetlands and the natural flow of river systems and decommissioning of all of America?s nuclear power plants. Demand eight: Racial and gender equal rights amendment. Demand nine: Open borders migration. anyone can travel anywhere to work and live. Demand ten: Bring American elections up to international standards of a paper ballot precinct counted and recounted in front of an independent and party observers system. Demand eleven: Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all. Debt forgiveness of sovereign debt, commercial loans, home mortgages, home equity loans, credit card debt, student loans and personal loans now! All debt must be stricken from the ?Books.? World Bank Loans to all Nations, Bank to Bank Debt and all Bonds and Margin Call Debt in the stock market including all Derivatives or Credit Default Swaps, all 65 trillion dollars of them must also be stricken from the ?Books.? And I don?t mean debt that is in default, I mean all debt on the entire planet period. Demand twelve: Outlaw all credit reporting agencies. Demand thirteen: Allow all workers to sign a ballot at any time during a union organizing campaign or at any time that represents their yeah or nay to having a union represent them in collective bargaining or to form a union.
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rich n:
appletart2:
Occupy Seattle surrounded the Sheridan hotel where Jamie Dimon was staying. Police put up chain link fence and pepper spray crowd. And I though we only had police security for dignitaries. Who knew Jamie Dimon of JP Morgan Chase has such connectioning :
Do these clowns even have a point? I mean 'we're against corporate greed'L
JP Morgan is hiking rates when there showing record profits up 48% but not lending money. Greed. They were behind all these bad loans that brought down the world economy What does Jamie Dimond earn... it too hard for a simpleton like me to figure out but I'll try!! Net worth 200 million with stock option last year and payouts in the 20 million all while this banks is hosing the public for huge over draft fees and while he holding a political job and gets face time with our president and than passing bail outs for his crooked friends. over the last few years he been pulling down what looks like about 36 million on top of his salary. I know because he deserves it.. He important! Bank of America just moved 55 trillion of bad debt (congress is fighting over 1 trillion cuts) to a Merrill Lynch account which than will make this bad debt, FDIC insured. Tax payer debt. Tony Blair Inc now works for JP Morgan and was negotiating for JPM with Quadafi . Former leader of England working for the very banks they approved bailouts for. Since you had to ask what is there point. Here these kids point..... Guillotine time Mutha Fucaz!!! http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/02/18/jamie-dimon-bonus-king/
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Occupy Wall St (& elsewhere) "... Rampant drug use, rapes, theft, smashed windows, public urination, defecation and sex, and physical clashes with police have made these demonstrations into hotbeds of chaos---which is what the organizers would like to export to the rest of country." Monica Crowley, Nov. 3, 2011 ---------------------- "Somehow I expected them all to own their own little shops. I expected them to all be nice and clean and friendly and happy ... (instead I found them to be) hideous, spotty little teenagers" who "were all terribly dirty and scruffy." George Harrison
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Andy_Shofar:
Occupy Wall St (& elsewhere) "... Rampant drug use, rapes, theft, smashed windows, public urination, defecation and sex, and physical clashes with police have made these demonstrations into hotbeds of chaos---which is what the organizers would like to export to the rest of country." Monica Crowley, Nov. 3, 2011 ---------------------- "Somehow I expected them all to own their own little shops. I expected them to all be nice and clean and friendly and happy ... (instead I found them to be) hideous, spotty little teenagers" who "were all terribly dirty and scruffy." George Harrison
sounds like a Rolling Stones concert to me. Monica crowley the voice of conservative talk and married to Alan Colmbs the "liberal media voice for Fox news" now we know the rest of the story.
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appletart2:
Andy_Shofar:
Occupy Wall St (& elsewhere) "... Rampant drug use, rapes, theft, smashed windows, public urination, defecation and sex, and physical clashes with police have made these demonstrations into hotbeds of chaos---which is what the organizers would like to export to the rest of country." Monica Crowley, Nov. 3, 2011 ---------------------- "Somehow I expected them all to own their own little shops. I expected them to all be nice and clean and friendly and happy ... (instead I found them to be) hideous, spotty little teenagers" who "were all terribly dirty and scruffy." George Harrison
sounds like a Rolling Stones concert to me.
Nice try to change the topic, The street people ... who "occupy" Wall Street (space) say people like Paul McCartney - is too rich & hasn't paid his fair share. They would just as well "occupy" space in his front yard & p*ss & cr*p all over his lawn, garden ...
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only speak for yourself ...I support the Occupy movement and am a lifetime McCartney fan. I believe he deserves everything he has earned. Some are really threatened by OWS.
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mustangsally10:
people who are used to being fed what to think are very threatened by those who have the clarity to see and understand what and why the world is near collapse financially, environmentally, and morally. They can't function without being outer directed. The Occupy movement is self directed. It's brilliant, organic, spontaneous and has already changed the direction. The more people find out about it the more they support it. But, there will be those who will not understand and of course they are the ones who are responsible for creating the environment which has made this movement necessary whether by their greed and sense of entitlement or by their vulnerability to be controlled and used by those who would use their productivity and actions for their own gain. Don't expect it to be run like a corporation(that's the point)...it's a peoples movement and it's not going away.
What I wrote about the OWS movement is so true. Some are very threatened and most fall in the second category above.
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some people are black...some people are white...but...everyone's colored...when you see...the light!... edit...this is a beautiful fact...not an opinion...
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Andy_Shofar:
appletart2:
Andy_Shofar:
Occupy Wall St (& elsewhere) "... Rampant drug use, rapes, theft, smashed windows, public urination, defecation and sex, and physical clashes with police have made these demonstrations into hotbeds of chaos---which is what the organizers would like to export to the rest of country." Monica Crowley, Nov. 3, 2011 ---------------------- "Somehow I expected them all to own their own little shops. I expected them to all be nice and clean and friendly and happy ... (instead I found them to be) hideous, spotty little teenagers" who "were all terribly dirty and scruffy." George Harrison
sounds like a Rolling Stones concert to me.
Nice try to change the topic, The street people ... who "occupy" Wall Street (space) say people like Paul McCartney - is too rich & hasn't paid his fair share. They would just as well "occupy" space in his front yard & p*ss & cr*p all over his lawn, garden ...
Andy seriously? Fox Propaganda. Jami Dimond is behind the bank bailouts and the bad loans. Its not about hating on money people. Its about greedy CEO's like Jamie Dimond who are raking in millions and foreclosing on people homes and causing a slow down in the economy by not loaning money that they were given to bail them out and than making a killing off the money because they invested it and are not making loans like they should.
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