The ..2012.... Political thread
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beawingsolo:
I heard a political rumor about Barack Obama -- that he does not salute the flag or say the pledge (that he actually turns his back to the flag when it is being honored) -- is this true? Or just mud being thrown here? *these are not my words -- but I am curious since I heard them.
I hear he's a terrorist. : You know because his name is Obama. : Aren't you glad to get to hear him speak and judge him off what you hear coming out of his mouth. He is the vote of change. Also Oprah is a pretty well read lady who made a billion or so and seems pretty smart. If she publicly backing him, the first time ever to back a politician, than you got something. I been donating to his campaine since the beginning.
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appletart2:
beawingsolo:
I heard a political rumor about Barack Obama -- that he does not salute the flag or say the pledge (that he actually turns his back to the flag when it is being honored) -- is this true? Or just mud being thrown here? *these are not my words -- but I am curious since I heard them.
I hear he's a terrorist. : You know because his name is Obama. : Aren't you glad to get to hear him speak and judge him off what you hear coming out of his mouth. He is the vote of change. Also Oprah is a pretty well read lady who made a billion or so and seems pretty smart. If she publicly backing him, the first time ever to back a politician, than you got something. I been donating to his campaine since the beginning.
I found out these words came from the Democrat party itself --- his own party -- anything to get elected -- Every candidate for 50 or more years has been promising "Change" *except for the candidates who ran for a second term.
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When candidates start speaking specifically about 'change"...what, how, etc., then maybe I'll listen
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Precinct Captain for Obama!
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Then let your buddy know, some of us need specifics on his "change"
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jaipur:
Then let your buddy know, some of us need specifics on his "change"
To find information on issue/policy specifics for each candidate just go to the candidates website i.e. www.barackobama.com On Obamas site just click on issues and then you can download the information you want. On Edwards site the same www.johnedwards.com just click on issues and then go to specific issues It takes some time to learn about the candidates specific plans but it is the only way to make a decision Peace
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I prefer hearing it out of their mouths. His speeches so far are just rhetoric. i'm looking for substance.
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Michigan's primary is today ... basically the Democrats just gave us the finger by not showing up in the state ..... their names are not on the ballot *exept Hilary and Dennis K... (you cannot write in a name just Hilary, Dennis and uncommited ) ... they gave some lame excuse about the change .... but they really are shrugging it off and trying for points somewhere else .... (I'll remember their actions when it is time to vote in the major election). Not that all the Republicans are my favorites either .... at least they have the common courtesy to put their names on the ballot and show up ... because it is for the US President and Michigan is included in the US. I am hoping uncommited kicks Hilary's butt *but that won't happen .... just wishful thinking.
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http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/01/15/romney_singing_new_tune_sweeter_to_detroits_ears/ Another central point that Romney has made in Michigan is that he would use his business acumen to create jobs. Yet during his four-year term as Massachusetts governor, which began in the depths of a recession, the number of jobs grew by just 0.5 percent, compared with 5.5 percent nationally, according to Labor Department statistics. Only three states did worse: Ohio, Louisiana, and Michigan. Manufacturing employment in Massachusetts slid 12 percent, more than double the national average; the state fared only slightly better than Michigan, which lost more than 15 percent of manufacturing jobs during that period. Attn: Michigan voters, take a look at this article in the Globe as jobs are a concern out there......don't do what we did.....much love, from your *Massachusetts* cousins
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On Board with Hillary
see for yourself.... : : : -
boooooooo.... chris dodd dropped out...
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Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
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rich n:
Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
I hear ya.....
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rich n:
Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
ha ha ha finally the truth comes out
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chuffed:
I like these type of sites for a bit more imformation about where I stand and how it compares to the candidates http://www.electoralcompass.com/
I am closest to Obama and furthest away from Fred Thompson. I am not, however, American.
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rich n:
Electile Dysfunction : the inability to become aroused over any of the choices for president put forth by either party in the 2008 election year.
I keep getting this image of the titanic
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What ... flight Hillary got nobody "aroused" or angry :
for the hillwatchamacallit -
It seems that everybody is taking this thread too seriously. Could there be some angst about a possible nomination of Hillary??? Take a deep breath, try to relax & watch something Non partisan http://www.fancast.com/tv/The-Simpsons/3745/621116536/E.-Pluribus-Wiggum/videos#top and please let me know if it works
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Andy_Shofar:
What ... flight Hillary got nobody "aroused" or angry :
for the hillwatchamacallitI saw this on the news...it looks like Hillary has another job as a back up should her run for the presidency doesn't work out
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Here is an excerpt from a speech Barack Obama gave on October 26, 2002...long before he knew he would run for US president or even succeed in his campaign for US Senator from Illinois. It is brilliant in its use of reason, logic and judgement. Here tis: I don?t oppose all wars. After September 11th, after witnessing the carnage and destruction, the dust and the tears, I supported this Administration?s pledge to hunt down and root out those who would slaughter innocents in the name of intolerance, and I would willingly take up arms myself to prevent such a tragedy from happening again. I don?t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income ? to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That?s what I?m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. Now let me be clear ? I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power. He has repeatedly defied UN resolutions, thwarted UN inspection teams, developed chemical and biological weapons, and coveted nuclear capacity. He?s a bad guy. The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors, that the Iraqi economy is in shambles, that the Iraqi military a fraction of its former strength, and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I?m opposed to dumb wars. ---State Senator Barack Obama, Illinois, Oct. 26th, 2002 For entire speech which was delivered at an anti-war rally in Chicago on October 26, 2002 click here: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech :: Peace