The Official Football/Soccer Thread: 2017-2018 Season
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21st Century Paul:
unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
Michael Laudrup and its genius in 1996.
Two things wrong in this sentence... 1) Denmark won in 1992. 2) Michael Laudrup didn't play in that tournament because he had differences with the coach Nielsen during the qualification rounds where they initally failed to qualify. Even when UEFA allowed them to take Yugoslavia's place Michael refused the call up.
No, I'm not wrong.
Denmark won in 1992 not 1996, and did it without Michael Laudrup, sure. But I remind Laudrup playing in 1996.
He played, but what did he do that was so "genius"? Denmark drew against Portugal in their first game and were hammered 3-0 by Croatia in their second game. By the time they played Turkey they needed help from Croatia to advance, and the Turks had nothing to play for and thus didn't put up a spirited effort. Besides, his brother, Brian, had a better tournament than he did.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
Michael Laudrup and its genius in 1996.
Two things wrong in this sentence... 1) Denmark won in 1992. 2) Michael Laudrup didn't play in that tournament because he had differences with the coach Nielsen during the qualification rounds where they initally failed to qualify. Even when UEFA allowed them to take Yugoslavia's place Michael refused the call up.
No, I'm not wrong.
Denmark won in 1992 not 1996, and did it without Michael Laudrup, sure. But I remind Laudrup playing in 1996.
He played, but what did he do that was so "genius"? Denmark drew against Portugal in their first game and were hammered 3-0 by Croatia in their second game. By the time they played Turkey they needed help from Croatia to advance, and the Turks had nothing to play for and thus didn't put up a spirited effort. Besides, his brother, Brian, had a better tournament than he did.
What did he do Laudrup that was "genius"? Well, for me, almost everything, you know is my fav player ever, not many people join my opinion. He did his usual things, the best passes that can be done, breaking the defence. Getting the ball from the midfield and put it ready to be shoot on target. Seeing everything on the field, doing what no-one expects to do, find the space no-one thought existed. All this with the ball very close to his feet so they can't take it away from him and all this with the head up not looking to the ball, so he can see anything around (and not around) and don't just run and dribble but let the ball do the job for him. The master. Besides that, nothing special I guess. Laudrup is so great that even when he plays now it's a show.
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21st Century Paul:
unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
Michael Laudrup and its genius in 1996.
Two things wrong in this sentence... 1) Denmark won in 1992. 2) Michael Laudrup didn't play in that tournament because he had differences with the coach Nielsen during the qualification rounds where they initally failed to qualify. Even when UEFA allowed them to take Yugoslavia's place Michael refused the call up.
No, I'm not wrong.
Denmark won in 1992 not 1996, and did it without Michael Laudrup, sure. But I remind Laudrup playing in 1996.
He played, but what did he do that was so "genius"? Denmark drew against Portugal in their first game and were hammered 3-0 by Croatia in their second game. By the time they played Turkey they needed help from Croatia to advance, and the Turks had nothing to play for and thus didn't put up a spirited effort. Besides, his brother, Brian, had a better tournament than he did.
What did he do Laudrup that was "genius"? Well, for me, almost everything, you know is my fav player ever, not many people join my opinion. He did his usual things, the best passes that can be done, breaking the defence. Getting the ball from the midfield and put it ready to be shoot on target. Seeing everything on the field, doing what no-one expects to do, find the space no-one thought existed. All this with the ball very close to his feet so they can't take it away from him and all this with the head up not looking to the ball, so he can see anything around (and not around) and don't just run and dribble but let the ball do the job for him. The master. Besides that, nothing special I guess. Laudrup is so great that even when he plays now it's a show.
It sounds like you're just generalizing. "He played beautifully with Real Madrid and Barcelona, so he MUST HAVE done it at EURO 96 too". That's the sense I'm getting from you. Whatever he did, it apparently wasn't enough and most reports say Brian had a better tournament.
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I don't know when Laudrup has not played his way...I don't care much about reports... Laudrup was never a Golden Ball, I think the year that he was closer he was the 7th player in votes, 1992. Guardiola said that he was very far away from the rest of players in the world... Actually Laudrup is only rated as the best by football players not by journalists. Brazil team of 2000 World Cup said he should play with Brazil (well, that's true... or with Spain). Iniesta has him as his idol, you know. Cruyff as his successor, and he said too he was the best by far in the Dream Team. Who knows more about football, football players of journalists? It reminds me of music.
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21st Century Paul:
I don't know when Laudrup has not played his way...I don't care much about reports... Laudrup was never a Golden Ball, I think the year that he was closer he was the 7th player in votes, 1992. Guardiola said that he was very far away from the rest of players in the world... Actually Laudrup is only rated as the best by football players not by journalists. Brazil team of 2000 World Cup said he should play with Brazil (well, that's true... or with Spain). Iniesta has him as his idol, you know. Cruyff as his successor, and he said too he was the best by far in the Dream Team. Who knows more about football, football players of journalists? It reminds me of music.
Everything you said there is true. And I'm not saying Laudrup was not a great player. He definately was. But not at EURO 96. At least, I don't remember him doing anything noteworthy at EURO 96. For example, in the 1998 World Cup he made this outstanding pass to Ebbe Sand against Nigeria which made the score 3-0 and pretty much sealed the win.
, @ 3:48 of video My question is: What significant contribution did Michael Laudrup make for Denmark at EURO 96? Yes, he's a great player. But what did he do at EURO 96... At the 1996 European Football Championships in England. Not at the 1986 World Cup. Not in 1992. Not with Barcelona. Not with Real Madrid. Not in 2000. What did he do at EURO 96 with Denmark? Answer: He did NOTHING. Denmark crashed out in the first round. Brian Laudrup scored three goals, but Michael Laudrup had a very forgettable tournament. He did nothing of relevance. Nothing at EURO 1996 in England. Unless you have a video somewhere you can link me to.Are my questions really this tough to understand?
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What is tough for me is to think that Laudrup did nothing on a football field... I don't know, maybe it's true... that kind of pass is not outstanding but usual for Laudrup... he does a lot of thing in the matches that are not very highlighted... you know he's not gonna appear in the highlight unless he scores (strange) or he gives the last pass (strange too in Denmark, is not Barcelona or Real Madrid). I haven't find any link... even of the best thing of Laudrup ever. There are mostly goals... and his goals was not his best part at all. I'm just seeing the video link of that game. The first goal is the shit, there's nothing dangerous in the attack, then Laudrup sees the empty space where he must go and he predicts what pass he's gonna do when defenders come to let the striker score. He makes it all seem easy. Now, the 2nd goal, the runs and dribble, they make him a fault. And then he does that thing in the free kick, that's Laudrup.
The best.
Now the 3rd, the typical Laudrup parabole pass, somehow predictable this time. I still remember I said then "Up Laudrup, the way is up!" and he did... "predictable" cause he was looking there as he usually did that looking elsewhere.. And I remind Nigeria beated Spain some days before.
I knew Laudrup will show Nigeria was not so good. And he's 34 in that game. 34!.
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21st Century Paul:
I knew Laudrup will show Nigeria was not so good.
Just like in 1986 when Denmark and Laudrup defeated Uruguay 6-1 and West Germany 2-0. And then Spain and Butragueno showed that Denmark was not so good. Or maybe Nigeria 1998 and Denmark 1986 just had off days, which is more likely. By the way, first it was Aragones, and now UEFA hasn't shown every Madridista's favorite son Raul any luv either.
uefa.com's Equipo de la Liga 2007/08: ------------------------ Casillas Sergio Ramos -- Capdevila -- Coloccini -- Cata Díaz ------------- Guti -- Iniesta -- Jorge López ------------ Güiza -- Luis Fabiano -- Agüero Equipo revelación: ------------------ Diego López Pepe -- Cáceres -- Bruno Saltor -- Filipe Luis ------------- De la Red -- Granero ------ Diego Capel ------------------ Sisi ----------- Bojan -- Álvaro Negredo
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they don't know, they can't see... Laudrup himself was never into these things anyway... The Spanish league coaches voted for the most valuable player of the league. #1 was Casillas and #2 it was a tie between Sergio Ramos and Raul. Schuster didn't vote, he was the only one. BTW, in a yesterday's newspaper interview Schuster answered sometimes like if Cristiano was already signed "We won't have problems with him..." etc. and sometimes talked as if it was a possibility "If he comes...". I think Schuster somehow knows he's gonna come. SUMMER SIGNINGS Mourinho to Inter Milan. Done. He wants Deco and Lampard. Garay (Racing de Santander) to Real Madrid. I've never see him, he's yound and said to be good. Centre back. Keita (Sevilla) to Barcelona FC. Midfielder, very good in defense, and good shouting from distance, Casillas can tell... not so great with the ball, but not a ball loser like Diarra, somehow like Toure Yaya. Pique (Manchester Utd) to Barcelona FC. 21 years, centre back. Grandson of a ex-important man with Nuñez and Gaspart (another guy he can't play much then... there are better ones everywhere... but well, that's another story, reminds of Fernando Sanz, ex-player of Real Madrid.. son of the president
, then they say they're "the best players in the world"
: ) Cassano to stay one more year in Sampdoria but still a Real Madrid player.
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And Edmilson (Barcelona FC) to Villareal. Del Piero finally went for Italy. Spanish is training with this XI. ................Casillas................. Ramos.Puyol..Marchena.Capdevila ................Senna....................... Iniesta.Xavi..Cesc....Silva...... ..............Torres........................ with the "4 jugones", kind of "playmakers" in the field. And without wings really. Actually, none of 23 players in the team is a wing
, Silva is the closest to be called a wing.
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21st Century Paul:
And Edmilson (Barcelona FC) to Villareal. Del Piero finally went for Italy. Spanish is training with this XI. ................Casillas................. Ramos.Puyol..Marchena.Capdevila ................Senna....................... Iniesta.Xavi..Cesc....Silva...... ..............Torres........................ with the "4 jugones", kind of "playmakers" in the field. And without wings really. Actually, none of 23 players in the team is a wing
, Silva is the closest to be called a wing.
Sergio Garcia plays wide on the right for Zaragoza. Iniesta has, at times, started wide left for Barcelona.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
Actually, none of 23 players in the team is a wing
, Silva is the closest to be called a wing.
Sergio Garcia plays wide on the right for Zaragoza. Iniesta has, at times, started wide left for Barcelona.
Yes, but they're not wings... Iniesta is not gonna run a do a good crossing. If a wing can't do a good crossing, he's not a good wing, even if he dribbles a lot. It's like a centre back that can't defence, a midfielder that can't pass or a striker that can't shoot.
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Hleb is joining Barcelona. He is due to sign later this week. What i really can't understand is why he is going for 12 million when the Gunners are paying him 11 million. If he was offered 25 million, then i could understand why he would want to leave Arsenal. But for the sake of a a million difference??
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hettyw:
Hleb is joining Barcelona. He is due to sign later this week. What i really can't understand is why he is going for 12 million when the Gunners are paying him 11 million. If he was offered 25 million, then i could understand why he would want to leave Arsenal. But for the sake of a a million difference??
No player earns 11 milion as far as I know.
Zambrotta from Barcelona FC to Milan AC
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21st Century Paul:
hettyw:
Hleb is joining Barcelona. He is due to sign later this week. What i really can't understand is why he is going for 12 million when the Gunners are paying him 11 million. If he was offered 25 million, then i could understand why he would want to leave Arsenal. But for the sake of a a million difference??
No player earns 11 milion as far as I know.
Zambrotta from Barcelona FC to Milan AC
Sorry my mistake.
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I'm just not happy about the best players going to international teams. But it's out of our control but it gives us something to talk about. I guess my point is that if he does sign, Arsenal are going to lose a second midfield player who is worth keeping.
As long as Walcott doesn't go. I reckon he is the next Henry.
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hettyw:
21st Century Paul:
hettyw:
Hleb is joining Barcelona. He is due to sign later this week. What i really can't understand is why he is going for 12 million when the Gunners are paying him 11 million. If he was offered 25 million, then i could understand why he would want to leave Arsenal. But for the sake of a a million difference??
No player earns 11 milion as far as I know.
Zambrotta from Barcelona FC to Milan AC
Sorry my mistake.
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I'm just not happy about the best players going to international teams. But it's out of our control but it gives us something to talk about. I guess my point is that if he does sign, Arsenal are going to lose a second midfield player who is worth keeping.
As long as Walcott doesn't go. I reckon he is the next Henry.
The signings saves us from boredom. If players never changed their team... well... everyone still would be playing in their town's team, you know. Arsenal signed Hleb from somewhere... it's the same thing. Besides they are workers and they're free to change the company they work for, like you and me. I know it's not the same, FIFA football it's kind of a mafia, with it's own laws, that are outside of the real laws. Actually they lose everytime someone goes to justice, like Bosman did or others. It's just a circus ruled by FIFA. The next strange thing coming it's the 6+5 rule, against any country law, but FIFA it's gonna do it anyway. Actually they are an organization "outside of the law". For instance, the president of the Spanish federation (and vicepresident of UEFA or FIFA, I don't know...) is forced by law to do elections since a long time ago. The Spanish gov did a law that forced all the federations that didn't qualify the national team for the China Olympics to do elections. Football is one of them and the president of the federation has not obbeyed the government... and things keep rolling anyway. It really doesn't make me thing of the Spain National Team as that. It's just some players inside that outlaw circus.
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[quote="21st Century Paul The signings saves us from boredom. . You can say that again !!!!!! Like you said, they are free to change their company, just like we do. But why do the best players always move on? Is it because they want more from another team? I know Arsenal had a better season but they didn't win anything and the season before that = well, i don't even want to talk about that one. Hleb is a good player and he has nice legs which is why I don't want him to go.
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hettyw:
[quote="21st Century Paul The signings saves us from boredom. .
You can say that again !!!!!! Like you said, they are free to change their company, just like we do. But why do the best players always move on? Is it because they want more from another team? I know Arsenal had a better season but they didn't win anything and the season before that = well, i don't even want to talk about that one. Hleb is a good player and he has nice legs which is why I don't want him to go. Well, the best workers are not seen on TV, if you work very well the rest of the companies that compete with yours are not gonna see it. If they could see it probably the best workers would move often.
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EURO 2008 Fantasy Football ! Simply select players with the ?100 you're allowed. You cannot spend over this amount. http://en.fantasy.euro2008.uefa.com/ I created a "Macca board league" for posters and lurkers alike.
Everyone is welcome to join.
After submitting your team, click the "Create leagues with your friends" link, then enter the following code under the "Join a private league" option to join the "Macca board league": 171091-29867 You must submit your squad before the first match kicks off at 18:00 GMT this Saturday (June 7th) to score points from the first set of matches June 7-10. Otherwise, you won't score any points until the June 11 games kickoff.
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I think I'll check it out. I've got to take a look at the rules, I guess it's that thing that gives you point when a player scores, etc. Cannavaro injured for 3 months. Basic part of the Italian defence. At Barça it's such a mess that I'm not sure what players are out or into of it, I think it's... Martin Caceres (Villareal) signed, Dos Santos to Totthenham, Hleb signed? Laporta, Barça's president finally will face the votation in some weeks to stay or be fired by the Barça members. So, he "should" do all the signings before in order to "impress"
: the voters... etc. Cristiano Ronaldo is supposed to decide tomorrow or very soon.
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21st Century Paul:
I think I'll check it out. I've got to take a look at the rules, I guess it's that thing that gives you point when a player scores, etc.
That's correct. Here's a list of rules/scoring: link So far, Daniel and I are the only ones in the league.
Quite challenging as you have to predict which players will play and have a good game in terms of scoring and assisting goals. For goalkeepers, defenders and midfielders the object is to concede as few goals as possible, preferrably keeping a clean sheet. Also very fun as you tend to cheer on individual players rather than entire teams. They do these sort of games for the Champions League, UEFA Cup and various domestic club leagues (the one for the English Premier League is very popular) that run over many months. But this one only focuses on EURO 2008 and since it only lasts less than a month it gives the newbie a taste of how the game is played before trying one of the longer, club season games.