The Official Football/Soccer Thread: 2017-2018 Season
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21st Century Paul:
I guess the Champions League game begin after the previous round... I mean when those group starts.... Well I would choose Raul as not long as he plays near the area this year.
Yes, it begins in September, after the qualification rounds. Thr group stage goes for six weeks until December, then it begins again in the knockout rounds in February until the final in May. Daniel always beats me in the Champions League version. I do better in the UEFA Cup, but if you only want to play Champions League that's fine. Others are welcome to join. I'll post another reminder in September. I enjoy fantasy football much more than making predictions on games. Tests your knowledge a bit more although luck plays its part as well.
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Cristian24:
21st Century Paul:
Bojan would have been substitute (or starting player!) of Villa and Torres, and Jesus Navas kind of like Cazorla... well... everyone has done it well, they have played as a team, it's hard to find a good or bad player over the rest then. That's how it's mean to be.
Although I'm a Bojan fan, he only startet 19 games with Barcelona this season. He wouldn't start with Spain, ahead of the second best scorer in the English League, the first scorer of the Spanish League, and and the forth best scorer in the Spanish Liga and champions of the Copa del Rey. I know Bojan has scored 10 goals this season, but it's just not enough yet for the national team. There are four forwards who have scored double the goals he has.
But football is not about "let's see who's the striker that score more goals..." I always say I prefer Villa to Torres, besides scoring less goals this year. And Bojan to Torres too.
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21st Century Paul:
Cristian24:
21st Century Paul:
Bojan would have been substitute (or starting player!) of Villa and Torres, and Jesus Navas kind of like Cazorla... well... everyone has done it well, they have played as a team, it's hard to find a good or bad player over the rest then. That's how it's mean to be.
Although I'm a Bojan fan, he only startet 19 games with Barcelona this season. He wouldn't start with Spain, ahead of the second best scorer in the English League, the first scorer of the Spanish League, and and the forth best scorer in the Spanish Liga and champions of the Copa del Rey. I know Bojan has scored 10 goals this season, but it's just not enough yet for the national team. There are four forwards who have scored double the goals he has.
But football is not about "let's see who's the striker that score more goals..." I always say I prefer Villa to Torres, besides scoring less goals this year. And Bojan to Torres too.
Did I say football is about who scores the most goals? If you play with Aragones' style, you need a forward like Torres. Somebody that will open to the sides and have the strenght to overpower people like the Russians, the Italians, or the Germans yesterday. There is no way Bojan could have gotten in front of Lahm like Fernando did yesterday. Bojan has the technique, but non of the physique just yet. Torres did all the dirty work Villa needed to score. Bojan would have not done that. And, football is not about scoring goals, but forwards kind of are. One guy scored ten goals, the other one scored 32..which one do you pick? One guy has played in the National team for years, the other one one game. One guy just signed this season for Liverpool after scoring loads of goals for Atletico, the other just got to Barcelona's first team this season. Which one do you pick...?
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Bojan. he didn't score so many goals but he does anything better than Torres but running.... Yeah, I know Aragones wants to play in that way, but Guiza is not faster than Bojan at all... for instance. And he has been useful in some way too, like Bojan could do... and he will sooner or later.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
I guess the Champions League game begin after the previous round... I mean when those group starts.... Well I would choose Raul as not long as he plays near the area this year.
Yes, it begins in September, after the qualification rounds. Thr group stage goes for six weeks until December, then it begins again in the knockout rounds in February until the final in May. Daniel always beats me in the Champions League version. I do better in the UEFA Cup, but if you only want to play Champions League that's fine. Others are welcome to join. I'll post another reminder in September. I enjoy fantasy football much more than making predictions on games. Tests your knowledge a bit more although luck plays its part as well.
yes, Daniel is very good... his team was always in the top teams... my mistakes is that at the beginning I choosed the players like my friend did in the league with his co-workers... that may be enough for beating them, but not for beating you both at all...
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21st Century Paul:
Bojan. he didn't score so many goals but he does anything better than Torres but running.... Yeah, I know Aragones wants to play in that way, but Guiza is not faster than Bojan at all... for instance. And he has been useful in some way too, like Bojan could do... and he will sooner or later.
Lol enough said then. Guiza did very well. He happened to come in when the other team's back line was tired, and as it happened all throughout the tournament, already down 1, 2, 3 goals. It was so much easier for him to score once the other team desperately went after a goal. Come on, you can do better than that. That's a weak argument. And the fact that you say that he does everything better than Torres...uh, ok, I'll tell you again that Torres scored 33 goals, and Bojan, 10. Both being forwards, I can see something Torres does better than Bojan, and that is not running. You want me to give you a hint? SCORING He has learned since he got to England to get the ball, control, shoot, score. Control, shoot, score. He does not dance around anymore, he goes for what is easy and will give him the goal. I don't care about an extra trick if you don't score. Again, we are talking about forwards. But hey, I repsect your opinion; if you like Bojan better, that's cool. I'll stick with Torrs though
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Cristian24:
Lol enough said then. Guiza did very well. He happened to come in when the other team's back line was tired, and as it happened all throughout the tournament, already down 1, 2, 3 goals. It was so much easier for him to score once the other team desperately went after a goal. Come on, you can do better than that. That's a weak argument. And the fact that you say that he does everything better than Torres...uh, ok, I'll tell you again that Torres scored 33 goals, and Bojan, 10. Both being forwards, I can see something Torres does better than Bojan, and that is not running. You want me to give you a hint? SCORING He has learned since he got to England to get the ball, control, shoot, score. Control, shoot, score. He does not dance around anymore, he goes for what is easy and will give him the goal. I don't care about an extra trick if you don't score. Again, we are talking about forwards. But hey, I repsect your opinion; if you like Bojan better, that's cool. I'll stick with Torrs though
Of course Guiza has done it well, everyone did. Just because Torres has scored more goals this years it doesn't mean he's better scoring... with Torres being the striker of Atletico de Madrid and Bojan being the one of Barça who would you think it will score more goals? English league is different, there Villa or Etoo could have scored 35 goals, but here not so many. For me Torres is not so good shooting or placing himself near the area, so his goals are only possible with lots of space... and he fails much more chances than Villa or Raul, for instance. But okey, Torres for you and Bojan for me. Would you believe I'm a Real Madrid fan?
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21st Century Paul:
Cristian24:
Lol enough said then. Guiza did very well. He happened to come in when the other team's back line was tired, and as it happened all throughout the tournament, already down 1, 2, 3 goals. It was so much easier for him to score once the other team desperately went after a goal. Come on, you can do better than that. That's a weak argument. And the fact that you say that he does everything better than Torres...uh, ok, I'll tell you again that Torres scored 33 goals, and Bojan, 10. Both being forwards, I can see something Torres does better than Bojan, and that is not running. You want me to give you a hint? SCORING He has learned since he got to England to get the ball, control, shoot, score. Control, shoot, score. He does not dance around anymore, he goes for what is easy and will give him the goal. I don't care about an extra trick if you don't score. Again, we are talking about forwards. But hey, I repsect your opinion; if you like Bojan better, that's cool. I'll stick with Torrs though
Of course Guiza has done it well, everyone did. Just because Torres has scored more goals this years it doesn't mean he's better scoring... with Torres being the striker of Atletico de Madrid and Bojan being the one of Barça who would you think it will score more goals? English league is different, there Villa or Etoo could have scored 35 goals, but here not so many. For me Torres is not so good shooting or placing himself near the area, so his goals are only possible with lots of space... and he fails much more chances than Villa or Raul, for instance. But okey, Torres for you and Bojan for me. Would you believe I'm a Real Madrid fan?
Lol I'm a Real Madrid fan, too. But my hometown is Vila-real, so thats who I'm going for. Anyway, to the point.
Just because Torres has scored more goals this years it doesn't mean he's better scoring
Thanks for this, I needed something to laugh about in this boring Monday. Just because Torres scores more goals, it doest not mean he is a better scorer? Lol what? Because that is exactly what it means... Did Torres have a lot of space yesterday in between Lehman and Lahm? I didn't see a lot...maybe he did in his heart, and that is all that countd after all. And if somebody misses lots of chances and still scores 33 goals...I'd say that guy is pretty damn good. Also, about the English League. Lots of great strikers have gone there and done nothing. The defenses are as phyisical as they get in England. Do you remember a little guy called Shevchenko, aka best forward in the world 3-4 seasons ago? He has done nothing for Chelsea, and he scored and scored and scored in Italy. Salva Ballesta, Pichichi in Spain, did nothing with Bolton. My point is, Fernando Torres is a lot better than Bojan atm. In 5 years, who knows. But right now, there is no debate. He is a world class player. If breaking the record of most goals scored in his first season for a player in the Premiership (record held by Van Nistelrooy until now), and and winning the Eurocup with your national team, scoring the winning goal in the final is not enough to be better than Bojan...then just lol, Bojan better be the best freaking forward in the history of soccer, starting now.
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NANDO, NANDO!!!!....... Just the best striker in the world!......Chelski wanted him for £40 m....get stuffed......£140 million more like.....and then we still wouldn't sell him. Well done Spain.
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Atletico de Madrid wouldn't want Torres for 40 milions neither Real Madrid... I said, that scoring more goals this year doesn't mean he is a best scorer. It depends a lot of things, how your team plays, where in your team you play, how your league is... Yes, Torres had a lot of space from where he is started to run to the goal line (and other times in the final). That's what I mean, in counterattacks, you know Torres is always used to scored against Barça (and play his best match of the year) cause Barça played with the defense in the midfield not back in the area, and that's when Torres is good. (BTW, Deco had just signed for Chelsea according to both Chelsea and Barça's official web, 10 milions is the transfer) Torres never scored 20 goals of more in the Spanish League, ever... it's very different. this is a better video of the players celebration out of the dressing room
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Xavi named "best player of the tournament" http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=729378.html And this is the "team of the tournament" http://www.euro2008.uefa.com/news/kind=1/newsid=729372.html UEFA EURO 2008? Team of the Tournament Goalkeepers: Gianluigi Buffon (Italy), Iker Casillas (Spain), Edwin van der Sar (Netherlands). Defenders: Bosingwa (Portugal), Philipp Lahm (Germany), Carlos Marchena (Spain), Pepe (Portugal), Carles Puyol (Spain), Yuri Zhirkov (Russia). Midfielders: Hamit Altıntop (Turkey), Luka Modrić (Croatia), Marcos Senna (Spain), Xavi Hernández (Spain), Konstantin Zyryanov (Russia), Michael Ballack (Germany), Cesc Fàbregas (Spain), Andrés Iniesta (Spain), Lukas Podolski (Germany), Wesley Sneijder (Netherlands). Forwards: Andrei Arshavin (Russia), Roman Pavlyuchenko (Russia), Fernando Torres (Spain), David Villa (Spain).
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21st Century Paul:
Atletico de Madrid wouldn't want Torres for 40 milions neither Real Madrid... I said, that scoring more goals this year doesn't mean he is a best scorer. It depends a lot of things, how your team plays, where in your team you play, how your league is... Yes, Torres had a lot of space from where he is started to run to the goal line (and other times in the final). That's what I mean, in counterattacks, you know Torres is always used to scored against Barça (and play his best match of the year) cause Barça played with the defense in the midfield not back in the area, and that's when Torres is good. (BTW, Deco had just signed for Chelsea according to both Chelsea and Barça's official web, 10 milions is the transfer) Torres never scored 20 goals of more in the Spanish League, ever... it's very different. this is a better video of the players celebration out of the dressing room
Dude, if you're bad at scoring, it does not matter where you play or how you play. If you suck, you suck. If you are a good scorer, you are good. And about Torres not scoring 20 goals or more in the Spanish League ever...you're right, he scored 19 lol.
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congrats to Spain! they deserved to win, it is great they won!
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I can't believe no one has mentioned the best part of Monday's celebrations "Con el 23, un humilde servidor, que ha hecho de speaker para presentar a este equipazo: Pepe..." ... ¡REINA! On the airplane riding home... (0:40 of the video)
Presenting each player one-by-one in order by shirt number (Plaza de Colón)... ?¡Camarero!? "¿Que?" What a showman! A natural for television! -
Well, I didn't mentioned that, cause I thought no-one here were gonna understand what he says (especially the presentation of the players), actually I sometimes don't understand him either... surreally good this is incredible watch out Brazil and Argentina for the next World Cup, now we get the same sensation before starting "it's only a Euro Cup and not and World Cup", I think Spain is a better team than Brazil and Argentina anyway. There's some kind of agreement they have played the best football since Brazil in 1970. For Beckenbauer the best moment was the same as my fav, the fab pass of Fabregas to Guiza. Hey this guy Beckenbauer thinks like me about football very often... It's good to see Reina, someone as "mad" as me (or even more!)...
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This week is the referendum for Laporta staying or not as Barça's president. Maybe a surprise signing for the day before, it uses to happen...
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21st Century Paul:
This week is the referendum for Laporta staying or not as Barça's president. Maybe a surprise signing for the day before, it uses to happen...
Not a surprise, but Dani Alves had his farewell press conference in Sevilla and then arrived in Barcelona to take a medical before making the move official. Despite Sandro Rosell announcing his wanting to run for president, Laporta should win the vote of confidence. I'm hoping anyway. Rosell would be good replacement in 2010, however.
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21st Century Paul:
watch out Brazil and Argentina for the next World Cup, now we get the same sensation before starting "it's only a Euro Cup and not and World Cup", I think Spain is a better team than Brazil and Argentina anyway. There's some kind of agreement they have played the best football since Brazil in 1970.
I would have high hopes for World Cup 2010 if not for one thing... Vicente Del Bosque. : When was the last time Del Bosque coached a team? I fear this guy will ruin the team by changing the style and bringing back Raul and Guti and a few others who really have no business being on the team. I can't believe the RFEF never offered Aragones a new contract until it was too late. Enjoy this EURO title now because it will be back to quarterfinal misery in two years' time. As for the best football, Brazil 1982 is the best I've seen since I've been following football (late 70s). I wouldn't put Spain 2008 up that high. Argentina 2006 were better as well.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
This week is the referendum for Laporta staying or not as Barça's president. Maybe a surprise signing for the day before, it uses to happen...
Not a surprise, but Dani Alves had his farewell press conference in Sevilla and then arrived in Barcelona to take a medical before making the move official. Despite Sandro Rosell announcing his wanting to run for president, Laporta should win the vote of confidence. I'm hoping anyway. Rosell would be good replacement in 2010, however.
No, I don't mean Alves, I mean a signing of someone more famous, kind of like Henry signing, to forget the past and "give hope to the future".... again.
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unclesox:
21st Century Paul:
watch out Brazil and Argentina for the next World Cup, now we get the same sensation before starting "it's only a Euro Cup and not and World Cup", I think Spain is a better team than Brazil and Argentina anyway. There's some kind of agreement they have played the best football since Brazil in 1970.
I would have high hopes for World Cup 2010 if not for one thing... Vicente Del Bosque. : When was the last time Del Bosque coached a team? I fear this guy will ruin the team by changing the style and bringing back Raul and Guti and a few others who really have no business being on the team. I can't believe the RFEF never offered Aragones a new contract until it was too late. Enjoy this EURO title now because it will be back to quarterfinal misery in two years' time. As for the best football, Brazil 1982 is the best I've seen since I've been following football (late 70s). I wouldn't put Spain 2008 up that high. Argentina 2006 were better as well.
Well, you know what I think about RFEF president, the worst ever. Yes, they say very good things about Brazil in 1982, I was 4 so I can't remind.. and I haven't seen anything (unlike Brazil 1970). hey, But I don't think Argentina in 2006 was better at all... according to Beckenbauer Spain's football has been "the best of this decade" too.... well obviously is subjective... Quarterfinals misery? well, at least we have something good to remind. I still think coaches doesn't matter much really... for instance in Germany it was Ballack and the players who changed the system... and that happens very often...