The 2012 and beyond Political Thread - Part 2
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Well looki here seems like the repubs have a twofer two criminals on the same ticket mittens who won't release tax returns because the information they contain is so damaging and now ryan who seems to be quilty of in your face insider trading http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/revealed-romney-campaigns-attempts-deny-paul-ryans-insider-trading-dont-add?page=0%2C1 The brain washed wingnut followers won't care they just robot their way to the polling booth and vote against their own interests
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mustangsally10:
Well looki here seems like the repubs have a twofer two criminals on the same ticket mittens who won't release tax returns because the information they contain is so damaging and now ryan who seems to be quilty of in your face insider trading http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/revealed-romney-campaigns-attempts-deny-paul-ryans-insider-trading-dont-add?page=0%2C1 The brain washed wingnut followers won't care they just robot their way to the polling booth and vote against their own interests
Congressional insider trading had been a dirty little secret for the longest time, and it is utterly despicable that both sides legally got away with it for so long. It gave me hope when the bill was introduced to outlaw this pracitce, but then, a couple of weeks ago, THIS happened: CNN exclusive: Congressional insider trading ban might not apply to families: http://www.cnn.com/2012/07/19/politics/stock-act-loophole/index.html
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Let me remind my conservative friends that we are entering our 28th consecutive month of private-sector job-growth. While unemployment remains at 8.254 (8.3%), we all know that number would be more like under 6%, had it not been for Republican governors slashing union jobs and other reckless, needless layoffs. Obama's first term is a rousing success -- when you consider the following: Republicans Filibuster Cybersecurity Bill With Anti-Abortion, Obamacare Amendments: http://www.slate.com/blogs/future_tense/2012/08/02/cybersecurity_act_republicans_filibuster_lieberman_bill_with_abortion_obamacare_amendments.html Filibuster blocks attempt to restore campaign transparency: http://www.vindy.com/news/2012/jul/19/filibuster-blocks-attempt-to-restore-cam/ Senate Tea-Publicans filibuster the Bring Jobs Home Act: http://tucsoncitizen.com/in-the-aggregate/2012/07/19/senate-tea-publicans-filibuster-the-bring-jobs-home-act/ (See where I'm going here?) :
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audi:
http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploadnic/tax-evasion-for-dummies300px1-jpg_50212_20120812-912.jpg
... And speaking of lying, it should come as no suprise to you that Obama completely and utterly lied about Paul Ryan's position on Welfare and Medicare...such a stupid lie....
And what would that lie be, pray tell? And be specific for once. I can't tell you how many times mustangsally10 and I have provided irrefutable facts and examples -- only to have them completely un-acknowledged by you and others who share your flawed perspective.
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...he should stick to the more lies which take up more of a challenge to rebut, such as 'where was Obama born' or 'does he really have the college degree he claims to have'...
Name ONE other President whose collegiate credientials had EVER been suspect...or had ever been an issue (besides the under-achieving Dubya). Name ONE. Obama's college record is another b.s. attempt of the righties' desire to de-legitimize this man's Presidency. And we all know why. Your side just can't stand, can't bear, can't accept, can't cope with the fact that one of "them" lives in our White House. JMHO.
Your 'irrefutable facts' comes from sources like media matters, daily kos, etc and you wonder why you I don't take these 'irrefutable facts' seriously?!?!?!? LOL...I can't wait to hear these outlet's spin on the Biden comments from earlier today...(he's a gross retard...I don't care how insensitive that sounds...it's a legit /astute observation which in stating, helps me from truly going off on what a f**ktard this guy really is) But to your question, on the very day (or following day) that Ryan was selected, Obama went on the attack and accused him of trying to undermine an emergency aid package Ryan signed in favor of (farm drought aid)...LOL...another freak-tard in action...fortunately the polls reflect the weariness of these actions...wait until the 'common sense-laden focus on the actual issue' debates come forth and Obama gets caught with his thumb up his arse...it will no longer be relatively even in the polls...all his 'take from the rich, give to the poor, but you won't have a job, but we'll give you some candy' crap will go by the wayside, just as his hold on the most important office in the world will go. What's Obama going to do when Paul Ryan presents him with actual video proof, saying 'yo you dumb clucky one - here is video evidence of me signing the aid package you said I tried to derail'???? But I'm pretty sure media matters, daily kos, etc etc etc won't even cover the Biden story or the Obama lie (or will put a very pretty spin on it in Obama's favor...LOL)[/list]
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Is this cool or what : Right on the Whitehouse website footage of the Gershwin Award concert at The Whitehouse to honor Paul McCartney. The Jonas Bros singing "Drive My Car" http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/inside-white-house/interactive-tour click on residence state floor then... click on East Room and the video is there
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rich n:
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http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploadnic/tax-evasion-for-dummies300px1-jpg_50212_20120812-912.jpg
... And speaking of lying, it should come as no suprise to you that Obama completely and utterly lied about Paul Ryan's position on Welfare and Medicare...such a stupid lie....
And what would that lie be, pray tell? And be specific for once. I can't tell you how many times mustangsally10 and I have provided irrefutable facts and examples -- only to have them completely un-acknowledged by you and others who share your flawed perspective.
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...he should stick to the more lies which take up more of a challenge to rebut, such as 'where was Obama born' or 'does he really have the college degree he claims to have'...
Name ONE other President whose collegiate credientials had EVER been suspect...or had ever been an issue (besides the under-achieving Dubya). Name ONE. Obama's college record is another b.s. attempt of the righties' desire to de-legitimize this man's Presidency. And we all know why. Your side just can't stand, can't bear, can't accept, can't cope with the fact that one of "them" lives in our White House. JMHO.
Your 'irrefutable facts' comes from sources like media matters, daily kos, etc and you wonder why you I don't take these 'irrefutable facts' seriously?!?!?!? LOL...I can't wait to hear these outlet's spin on the Biden comments from earlier today...(he's a gross retard...I don't care how insensitive that sounds...it's a legit /astute observation which in stating, helps me from truly going off on what a f**ktard this guy really is) But to your question, on the very day (or following day) that Ryan was selected, Obama went on the attack and accused him of trying to undermine an emergency aid package Ryan signed in favor of (farm drought aid)...LOL...another freak-tard in action...fortunately the polls reflect the weariness of these actions...wait until the 'common sense-laden focus on the actual issue' debates come forth and Obama gets caught with his thumb up his arse...it will no longer be relatively even in the polls...all his 'take from the rich, give to the poor, but you won't have a job, but we'll give you some candy' crap will go by the wayside, just as his hold on the most important office in the world will go. What's Obama going to do when Paul Ryan presents him with actual video proof, saying 'yo you dumb clucky one - here is video evidence of me signing the aid package you said I tried to derail'???? But I'm pretty sure media matters, daily kos, etc etc etc won't even cover the Biden story or the Obama lie (or will put a very pretty spin on it in Obama's favor...LOL)[/list]
Rich, you realize that the number of times you mention Media Matters and Daily Kos dwarfs the number of times that mustangsally and audi actually reference them, right? And if you can't do anything better than 'blah, blah, blah liberal trash' to deconstruct an argument, the source of the information is as irrelevant as your lame attempt at refuting it. And you keep referencing these "polls" that would be indicative of a supposed Obama-weariness on the part of the majority of voters, yet most polling -- be it mainstream, alternative-liberal, or otherwise -- indicates the exact opposite. Ignoring the amusing hypocrisy of demanding pointed facts only from 'Rich's List of Approved News Sources' yet making vague, baseless claims to advance your argument, the polling that shows Obama with an advantage over Romney at this point in time is validated by a staunch conservative such as yourself resorting to childish name-calling when discussing the opposition. audi calls Romney a hypocrite for his criticisms of Obama's private-sector inexperience despite his running mate's similarly lacking resume. You call Biden a retard and a f***tard because, well, you just don't like him. If you're going to be such a hateful, poor sport now, I can't imagine how insufferable you'll be on Election Day, regardless of the outcome.
Notice how certain folks never respond to you after you take 'em to that proverbial woodshed?
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Our elderly citizens deserve better than this. Pennsylvania Court Upholds Voter ID Law: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/08/pennsylvania-court-upholds-voter-id-law/
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This is incredibly shocking An independent study was done on mittens v.p. candidate ryan's (popular with republicans budget) Here's what the numbers add up to....
Paul Ryan?s latest budget doesn?t just fail to address job creation, it aggressively slows job growth. Against a current policy baseline, the budget cuts discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, sucking demand out of the economy when it most needs it and leading to job loss. Using a standard macroeconomic model that is consistent with that used by private- and public-sector forecasters, the shock to aggregate demand from near-term spending cuts would result in roughly 1.3 million jobs lost in 2013 and 2.8 million jobs lost in 2014, or 4.1 million jobs through 2014.
This is mind boggling I don't think most republicans even know what they are supporting But, it's not surprising because the consequences of their economic policies have just about destroyed the world economy. Wait there's more
Low-income households will also face higher taxes because Ryan would allow certain tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit to fall from their current levels. Redistributing money away from people who spend more of each marginal dollar of disposable income (low- and moderate-income households) to those with much higher savings rates (high-income households) is broadly recognized as leading to a decline in aggregate demand.
This is stunning what they are proposing They would destroy what is left of the world economy and we would go back to the stone ages http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/ This is the most dangerous time and the wingnutters are the most dangerous people
Add in Ryan's proposed cuts in Medicaid and we're talking another 862,000 lost jobs. That's a total of almost 5 million jobs lost. In two years.
Why do they hate their own country : : :
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21st Century Paul:
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21st Century Paul:
Andy_Shofar:
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Andy_Shofar:
August 9, 2012 The Postmodern President Keeping it simple postmodernism is a: "... literary theory that rejects objective reality and insists instead that everything is a matter of interpretation and relative "truth." At any rate he's running the first postmodern Presidential campaign, now organized almost exclusively around allegations about his opponent that bear no relation to the observable universe." http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443537404577577193632921170.html like it or not ... it's an interesting read (and worth a few moments)
Hey, that's Relativism not Postmodernism, and it's older than Aristotle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativism Though well, they're pretty similar, it's kind of Relativism revisited. Like "No-one is right, you have my opinion and I have mine and both are valid. It's all a matter of opinion, there's no right or wrong" That's it. Or even to deny Truth can exist or anything can be true (and they believe that to be true, I guess )
Well ... if you are only commenting on the snippet that I posted ... the whole article is still worth a read.
I don't read virtually any political stuff or article, I think it's a waste of time. I'd rather listen to the Spice Girls.
but if you have no interest in following politics, then how can anyone take your opinion serious? Just asking..
Exactly because of that. I actually don't take seriously the opinion of anyone who takes the mass media seriously. But if they the take the mass media seriously then they won't take me seriously, of course. The more mass media a person uses the worst informed he is.
Speaking of The Spice Girls - I don't really care for them musically. However, I would prefer listening to them for 30 minutes rather than listening to a President Obama speech of the same length. And don't get me wrong - it's not because of a personal lack of respect of the President. It's really because he's been on the media too much (way too much - over the past 4 years). He says the same sort of things all the time. He's become boring. So we agree the Spice Girls singing wins ...
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rich n:
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http://www.opednews.com/populum/uploadnic/tax-evasion-for-dummies300px1-jpg_50212_20120812-912.jpg
... And speaking of lying, it should come as no suprise to you that Obama completely and utterly lied about Paul Ryan's position on Welfare and Medicare...such a stupid lie....
And what would that lie be, pray tell? And be specific for once. I can't tell you how many times mustangsally10 and I have provided irrefutable facts and examples -- only to have them completely un-acknowledged by you and others who share your flawed perspective.
rich n:
...he should stick to the more lies which take up more of a challenge to rebut, such as 'where was Obama born' or 'does he really have the college degree he claims to have'...
Name ONE other President whose collegiate credientials had EVER been suspect...or had ever been an issue (besides the under-achieving Dubya). Name ONE. Obama's college record is another b.s. attempt of the righties' desire to de-legitimize this man's Presidency. And we all know why. Your side just can't stand, can't bear, can't accept, can't cope with the fact that one of "them" lives in our White House. JMHO.
Your 'irrefutable facts' comes from sources like media matters, daily kos, etc and you wonder why you I don't take these 'irrefutable facts' seriously?!?!?!? LOL...I can't wait to hear these outlet's spin on the Biden comments from earlier today...(he's a gross retard...I don't care how insensitive that sounds...it's a legit /astute observation which in stating, helps me from truly going off on what a f**ktard this guy really is) But to your question, on the very day (or following day) that Ryan was selected, Obama went on the attack and accused him of trying to undermine an emergency aid package Ryan signed in favor of (farm drought aid)...LOL...another freak-tard in action...fortunately the polls reflect the weariness of these actions...wait until the 'common sense-laden focus on the actual issue' debates come forth and Obama gets caught with his thumb up his arse...it will no longer be relatively even in the polls...all his 'take from the rich, give to the poor, but you won't have a job, but we'll give you some candy' crap will go by the wayside, just as his hold on the most important office in the world will go. What's Obama going to do when Paul Ryan presents him with actual video proof, saying 'yo you dumb clucky one - here is video evidence of me signing the aid package you said I tried to derail'???? But I'm pretty sure media matters, daily kos, etc etc etc won't even cover the Biden story or the Obama lie (or will put a very pretty spin on it in Obama's favor...LOL)[/list]
Rich, you realize that the number of times you mention Media Matters and Daily Kos dwarfs the number of times that mustangsally and audi actually reference them, right? And if you can't do anything better than 'blah, blah, blah liberal trash' to deconstruct an argument, the source of the information is as irrelevant as your lame attempt at refuting it. And you keep referencing these "polls" that would be indicative of a supposed Obama-weariness on the part of the majority of voters, yet most polling -- be it mainstream, alternative-liberal, or otherwise -- indicates the exact opposite. Ignoring the amusing hypocrisy of demanding pointed facts only from 'Rich's List of Approved News Sources' yet making vague, baseless claims to advance your argument, the polling that shows Obama with an advantage over Romney at this point in time is validated by a staunch conservative such as yourself resorting to childish name-calling when discussing the opposition. audi calls Romney a hypocrite for his criticisms of Obama's private-sector inexperience despite his running mate's similarly lacking resume. You call Biden a retard and a f***tard because, well, you just don't like him. If you're going to be such a hateful, poor sport now, I can't imagine how insufferable you'll be on Election Day, regardless of the outcome.
Notice how certain folks never respond to you after you take 'em to that proverbial woodshed?
I predict a link to an article on an unrelated issue in your future, audi, as well as some serious dance moves that could be featured on So You Think You Can Dance, as there's going to be some serious side-stepping of the issues you raised in the next few posts.
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mustangsally10:
This is incredibly shocking An independent study was done on mittens v.p. candidate ryan's (popular with republicans budget) Here's what the numbers add up to....
Paul Ryan?s latest budget doesn?t just fail to address job creation, it aggressively slows job growth. Against a current policy baseline, the budget cuts discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, sucking demand out of the economy when it most needs it and leading to job loss. Using a standard macroeconomic model that is consistent with that used by private- and public-sector forecasters, the shock to aggregate demand from near-term spending cuts would result in roughly 1.3 million jobs lost in 2013 and 2.8 million jobs lost in 2014, or 4.1 million jobs through 2014.
This is mind boggling I don't think most republicans even know what they are supporting But, it's not surprising because the consequences of their economic policies have just about destroyed the world economy. Wait there's more
Low-income households will also face higher taxes because Ryan would allow certain tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit to fall from their current levels. Redistributing money away from people who spend more of each marginal dollar of disposable income (low- and moderate-income households) to those with much higher savings rates (high-income households) is broadly recognized as leading to a decline in aggregate demand.
This is stunning what they are proposing They would destroy what is left of the world economy and we would go back to the stone ages http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/ This is the most dangerous time and the wingnutters are the most dangerous people
Add in Ryan's proposed cuts in Medicaid and we're talking another 862,000 lost jobs. That's a total of almost 5 million jobs lost. In two years.
Why do they hate their own country : : :
This post sounded like a mix between an Obama ad run on MSNBC and an infomercial.
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
This is incredibly shocking An independent study was done on mittens v.p. candidate ryan's (popular with republicans budget) Here's what the numbers add up to....
Paul Ryan?s latest budget doesn?t just fail to address job creation, it aggressively slows job growth. Against a current policy baseline, the budget cuts discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, sucking demand out of the economy when it most needs it and leading to job loss. Using a standard macroeconomic model that is consistent with that used by private- and public-sector forecasters, the shock to aggregate demand from near-term spending cuts would result in roughly 1.3 million jobs lost in 2013 and 2.8 million jobs lost in 2014, or 4.1 million jobs through 2014.
This is mind boggling I don't think most republicans even know what they are supporting But, it's not surprising because the consequences of their economic policies have just about destroyed the world economy. Wait there's more
Low-income households will also face higher taxes because Ryan would allow certain tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit to fall from their current levels. Redistributing money away from people who spend more of each marginal dollar of disposable income (low- and moderate-income households) to those with much higher savings rates (high-income households) is broadly recognized as leading to a decline in aggregate demand.
This is stunning what they are proposing They would destroy what is left of the world economy and we would go back to the stone ages http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/ This is the most dangerous time and the wingnutters are the most dangerous people
Add in Ryan's proposed cuts in Medicaid and we're talking another 862,000 lost jobs. That's a total of almost 5 million jobs lost. In two years.
Why do they hate their own country : : :
This post sounded like a mix between an Obama ad run on MSNBC and an infomercial.
So that's all you got out of those staggering projections? Nothin' else?
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Say what you will about Paul Ryan ... but consider this ... Paul Ryan Takes Apart Obamacare in 6 Minutes
And he does so without a teleprompter And I seem to recollect that Democrats proudly asked in 2008, "Who would you rather have as President Sara Palin or Joe Biden?" I now ask the same question - who would you rather have as President: Joe Biden or Paul Ryan : -
At the moment, yes.
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
mustangsally10:
This is incredibly shocking An independent study was done on mittens v.p. candidate ryan's (popular with republicans budget) Here's what the numbers add up to....
Paul Ryan?s latest budget doesn?t just fail to address job creation, it aggressively slows job growth. Against a current policy baseline, the budget cuts discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, sucking demand out of the economy when it most needs it and leading to job loss. Using a standard macroeconomic model that is consistent with that used by private- and public-sector forecasters, the shock to aggregate demand from near-term spending cuts would result in roughly 1.3 million jobs lost in 2013 and 2.8 million jobs lost in 2014, or 4.1 million jobs through 2014.
This is mind boggling I don't think most republicans even know what they are supporting But, it's not surprising because the consequences of their economic policies have just about destroyed the world economy. Wait there's more
Low-income households will also face higher taxes because Ryan would allow certain tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit to fall from their current levels. Redistributing money away from people who spend more of each marginal dollar of disposable income (low- and moderate-income households) to those with much higher savings rates (high-income households) is broadly recognized as leading to a decline in aggregate demand.
This is stunning what they are proposing They would destroy what is left of the world economy and we would go back to the stone ages http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/ This is the most dangerous time and the wingnutters are the most dangerous people
Add in Ryan's proposed cuts in Medicaid and we're talking another 862,000 lost jobs. That's a total of almost 5 million jobs lost. In two years.
Why do they hate their own country : : :
This post sounded like a mix between an Obama ad run on MSNBC and an infomercial.
So that's all you got out of those staggering projections? Nothin' else?
There you have it That's what a brain washed mentality look like They can't absorb facts Just keep marching to their robot drummer.
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Jumping to conclusions are we. Where did I state I didn't believe what it said? Just making a comment on how you presented the article. Chill out. Not everyone's an extremist like yourself.
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AbbeyRoadCrosser:
Jumping to conclusions are we. Where did I state I didn't believe what it said? Just making a comment on how you presented the article. Chill out. Not everyone's an extremist like yourself.
You don't have to be an extremist to be Very concerned about that info... It's chilling information indeed.
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mustangsally10:
This is incredibly shocking An independent study was done on mittens v.p. candidate ryan's (popular with republicans budget) Here's what the numbers add up to....
Paul Ryan?s latest budget doesn?t just fail to address job creation, it aggressively slows job growth. Against a current policy baseline, the budget cuts discretionary programs by about $120 billion over the next two years and mandatory programs by $284 billion, sucking demand out of the economy when it most needs it and leading to job loss. Using a standard macroeconomic model that is consistent with that used by private- and public-sector forecasters, the shock to aggregate demand from near-term spending cuts would result in roughly 1.3 million jobs lost in 2013 and 2.8 million jobs lost in 2014, or 4.1 million jobs through 2014.
This is mind boggling I don't think most republicans even know what they are supporting But, it's not surprising because the consequences of their economic policies have just about destroyed the world economy. Wait there's more
Low-income households will also face higher taxes because Ryan would allow certain tax credits like the Earned Income Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, and the American Opportunity Tax Credit to fall from their current levels. Redistributing money away from people who spend more of each marginal dollar of disposable income (low- and moderate-income households) to those with much higher savings rates (high-income households) is broadly recognized as leading to a decline in aggregate demand.
This is stunning what they are proposing They would destroy what is left of the world economy and we would go back to the stone ages http://www.epi.org/blog/paul-ryan-budget-discretionary-cuts-cost-jobs/ This is the most dangerous time and the wingnutters are the most dangerous people
Add in Ryan's proposed cuts in Medicaid and we're talking another 862,000 lost jobs. That's a total of almost 5 million jobs lost. In two years.
Why do they hate their own country : : :
worth repeating
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Andy_Shofar:
Say what you will about Paul Ryan ... but consider this ... Paul Ryan Takes Apart Obamacare in 6 Minutes
And he does so without a teleprompter And I seem to recollect that Democrats proudly asked in 2008, "Who would you rather have as President Sara Palin or Joe Biden?" I now ask the same question - who would you rather have as President: Joe Biden or Paul Ryan :The video cuts off just as the President was about to give his rebuttal. And, by the way, I don't believe that Republicans want to "save Medicare." It is my belief that they want to systemically obliterate it. They never wanted it in the first place. I am hopeful that in my lifetime, the U.S. will have universal healthcare -- just like every other advanced nation.