Set List critique
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audi:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love...
Agreed. "All My Loving" had to go.
RockyRaccoon68:
Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said...
The falsetto part at the end was getting pretty rough. It was a wise decision. [..]
I don't think those 10 seconds which Abe Jr. covered anyway, are harder than the whole of 'Jet' ;). He won't skip 'Listen To What The Man Said' (first time since 1976) over 'Jet' (EVERY tour since 1976) in Europe.
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RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now. [..]
You gotta see it in perspective: every single gig in Japan in 2013 got 'Eight Days A Week'. Before that, every gig in 2002 already got 'Hello, Goodbye'. While other rotation opener 'Magical Mystery Tour' wasn't played there since 1993, when it was mid-set. Easy choice. He will swap around, especially for those 4 gigs in a row in Tokyo.
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I'd be inclined to agree that Listen to What the Man Said will return for Europe.
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nobodytoldme:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now. [..]
You gotta see it in perspective: every single gig in Japan in 2013 got 'Eight Days A Week'. Before that, every gig in 2002 already got 'Hello, Goodbye'. While other rotation opener 'Magical Mystery Tour' wasn't played there since 1993, when it was mid-set. Easy choice. He will swap around, especially for those 4 gigs in a row in Tokyo.
With that in mind you would expect him to open with EDAW for the europe shows as MMT has been done countless times, wonder if HFTF will stick around too?!
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jonh81:
nobodytoldme:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now. [..]
You gotta see it in perspective: every single gig in Japan in 2013 got 'Eight Days A Week'. Before that, every gig in 2002 already got 'Hello, Goodbye'. While other rotation opener 'Magical Mystery Tour' wasn't played there since 1993, when it was mid-set. Easy choice. He will swap around, especially for those 4 gigs in a row in Tokyo.
With that in mind you would expect him to open with EDAW for the europe shows as MMT has been done countless times, wonder if HFTF will stick around too?!
Yes, I'm not worrying about that. There's no way he's going back to 'Magical Mystery Tour' for the cities/countries he opened with that only 5 years ago, with having a for us brand new opener ready to roll. Most of the time you would think McCartney is doing every randomly, but there is a certain line in his setlist decisions, hahaha. Same with 'Jet'/'Listen To What The Man Said'. 'Hope For The Future' could be the other 'Hope' (of deliverance) of this tour though ... I think the only true "swap" for this leg is 'Can't Buy Me Love' for 'All My Loving'. And that couldn't be a better one. One many of us proposed many times in the last few months/years. 15 songs on the set he didn't tour Europe extensively with yet. Good score.
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nobodytoldme:
jonh81:
nobodytoldme:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now. [..]
You gotta see it in perspective: every single gig in Japan in 2013 got 'Eight Days A Week'. Before that, every gig in 2002 already got 'Hello, Goodbye'. While other rotation opener 'Magical Mystery Tour' wasn't played there since 1993, when it was mid-set. Easy choice. He will swap around, especially for those 4 gigs in a row in Tokyo.
With that in mind you would expect him to open with EDAW for the europe shows as MMT has been done countless times, wonder if HFTF will stick around too?!
Yes, I'm not worrying about that. There's no way he's going back to 'Magical Mystery Tour' for the cities/countries he opened with that only 5 years ago, with having a for us brand new opener ready to roll. Most of the time you would think McCartney is doing every randomly, but there is a certain line in his setlist decisions, hahaha. 'Hope For The Future' could be the other 'Hope' (of deliverance) of this tour ... I think the only true "swap" for this leg is 'Can't Buy Me Love' for 'All My Loving'. And that couldn't be a better one. One many of us literally proposed many times in the last few months/years. 15 songs on the set he didn't toured Europe extensively with yet. Good score.
Maybe he should do Hope of Deliverance instead of Hope for the future, agreed All my loving has had its day, but then you could say that about so many others currently being trotted out! Was lucky enough to see 2 shows in 2013 so the europe audience are definetly in for a treat with whats been changed in 3-4 yrs.
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RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
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It wouldn't take much.
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moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
Best post I've read on here in months!
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moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
It's amazing what a good song can do! I have always been a proponent of him changing the set list and adding rarities, but we all need to take a step back and ask ourselves if the average audience member would enjoy a certain song. Mrs. Vanderbilt has a crazy infectious beat and it was pulled off to perfection. I'd love him to diversify, but it has to be the right song. Here is a crazy suggestion, however, what if he played No More Lonely Nights in the style of the cover version on Art of McCartney. People would love that. To me, one problem with his shows is that the songs are too faithful to the originals. There is no variety, really.
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audi:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love...
Agreed. "All My Loving" had to go.
RockyRaccoon68:
Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said...
The falsetto part at the end was getting pretty rough. It was a wise decision.
RockyRaccoon68:
...Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now...
I wish one of his band-members would actually take the risk and talk to McCartney musician-to-musician, and tell the boss: "Bro...give this song a rest." Being McCartney sidemen has certainly afforded them career opportunities for their own, respective solo-careers, but they have GOT to be bored sh-tless doing the same songs gig after gig, tour after tour.
Yes! Don't you think the guys go to the bar after a show some nights and are just like, "Damn, I am so tired of Let Me Roll It." Granted, these guys are kicking themselves that they have the job they do, but still, they are human and are no doubt getting tired of the same stuff every show. Of course, you have to play Hey Jude, Live and Let Die and Let It Be every time. Nobody is arguing that. But Let Me Roll It? That song had it's day six tours ago.
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No one in the world should complain about lady nights setlist
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For a working musician who continually tours, dropping in a new song and subbing another is not a huge ask. In fact, for Paul and the guys it"s not even a big ask. Geez, he reads the lyrics off the prompter anyway. Too rich to bother.
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I wondered about Let Me Roll It as well. What's the deal with that song? How come it's a staple for every single tour at least since 2002? I mean, I understand why he doesn't drop Hey Jude and stuff, but Let Me Roll It? As far as I know, it's not a big hit, not a fan favorite/'classic' and I don't think it's a particularly big concert song (in the concerts I've seen him, people hardly reacted to it). So why? How come it's played a lot more than crowd pleasers like 'Drive my Car', or superior, better known wing songs like 'Listen to What the Man Said', not to mention 'Silly Love Songs'?
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yaniv297:
I wondered about Let Me Roll It as well. What's the deal with that song? How come it's a staple for every single tour at least since 2002? I mean, I understand why he doesn't drop Hey Jude and stuff, but Let Me Roll It? As far as I know, it's not a big hit, not a fan favorite/'classic' and I don't think it's a particularly big concert song (in the concerts I've seen him, people hardly reacted to it). So why? How come it's played a lot more than crowd pleasers like 'Drive my Car', or superior, better known wing songs like 'Listen to What the Man Said', not to mention 'Silly Love Songs'?
Actually, Let Me Roll It has been in the set since 1993!
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moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
"And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years." I believe Mr. McCartney was shocked when he let the people of Kiev select a song for him to play there and they picked "Mrs. Vanderbilt".
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Maccafan82:
audi:
RockyRaccoon68:
Delighted about Can't Buy Me Love...
Agreed. "All My Loving" had to go.
RockyRaccoon68:
Baffled at the removal of Listen to What the Man Said...
The falsetto part at the end was getting pretty rough. It was a wise decision.
RockyRaccoon68:
...Gutted that Magical Mystery Tour is STILL kicking around, he has so many songs he could open with and he insists on rotating the same few songs for almost 15 years now...
I wish one of his band-members would actually take the risk and talk to McCartney musician-to-musician, and tell the boss: "Bro...give this song a rest." Being McCartney sidemen has certainly afforded them career opportunities for their own, respective solo-careers, but they have GOT to be bored sh-tless doing the same songs gig after gig, tour after tour.
Yes! Don't you think the guys go to the bar after a show some nights and are just like, "Damn, I am so tired of Let Me Roll It." Granted, these guys are kicking themselves that they have the job they do, but still, they are human and are no doubt getting tired of the same stuff every show. Of course, you have to play Hey Jude, Live and Let Die and Let It Be every time. Nobody is arguing that. But Let Me Roll It? That song had it's day six tours ago.
Exactly. Look at youtube clips of shows and IMO this band is going thru the motions on most of the show. They only seem "into it" when they are doing songs from "New" or a song that has not been constantly played on tours.
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Maccafan82:
moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
It's amazing what a good song can do! I have always been a proponent of him changing the set list and adding rarities, but we all need to take a step back and ask ourselves if the average audience member would enjoy a certain song. Mrs. Vanderbilt has a crazy infectious beat and it was pulled off to perfection. I'd love him to diversify, but it has to be the right song. Here is a crazy suggestion, however, what if he played No More Lonely Nights in the style of the cover version on Art of McCartney. People would love that. To me, one problem with his shows is that the songs are too faithful to the originals. There is no variety, really.
"By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. " Yep and a song like "Take It Away" that was a top 20 single was never played live. Makes you shake your head sometimes.
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moptops:
For a working musician who continually tours, dropping in a new song and subbing another is not a huge ask. In fact, for Paul and the guys it"s not even a big ask. Geez, he reads the lyrics off the prompter anyway. Too rich to bother.
Very true. Your talking about a rock icon and the touring band that has been together for close to 15 years, think they could practice a couple of different songs and add them to setlist pretty quickly.
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Maccafan82:
moptops:
RMartinez:
I think there is a major disconnect if anyone thinks performing Hope keeps Paul relevant.
Ponder this: instead of the dreary Hope For The Future, the band pulled out even just ONE of I've Had Enough, Take It Away, Getting Closer or Silly Love Songs (or songs of that type)...would this board explode with overwhelming delight, excitement and positive posts? You bet it would!!! By Paul's own admission Hope "flopped," but he inflicted it on an audience anyway. And yet...AND YET when he grudgingly debuted Mrs Vandebilt in 08 the crowd reaction left him so amazed, he kept it in the set for years.
It's amazing what a good song can do! I have always been a proponent of him changing the set list and adding rarities, but we all need to take a step back and ask ourselves if the average audience member would enjoy a certain song. Mrs. Vanderbilt has a crazy infectious beat and it was pulled off to perfection. I'd love him to diversify, but it has to be the right song. Here is a crazy suggestion, however, what if he played No More Lonely Nights in the style of the cover version on Art of McCartney. People would love that. To me, one problem with his shows is that the songs are too faithful to the originals. There is no variety, really.
"It's amazing what a good song can do! I have always been a proponent of him changing the set list and adding rarities, but we all need to take a step back and ask ourselves if the average audience member would enjoy a certain song. Mrs. Vanderbilt has a crazy infectious beat and it was pulled off to perfection. " If Mr. McCartney did upbeat song like "Take It Away" or "That Was Me" I think the average fan would enjoy it. Of course it would help if Mr. McCartney set up the song a little bit before playing it.