I'm out of here. Whoever wins tonight, may it be the best man. And if you haven't voted hurrrrrrrrrrry up!
Latest posts made by cremetangerine
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Obama definitely has some "dirt." However, it's all about a) how much you are willing to believe and b) how much of an impact it makes on your decision. I have heard all the things about Obama, as everyone has, and I even believe there's a possibility that some of it may be true. We are not in complete denial that Obama isn't a perfect saint. But we all have skeletons in the closet, don't we? I don't think the bad decisions he may or may not have made completely define how he is going to be as a president. Nothing that I have heard has convinced me that he is not the better candidate, even though the "dirt" has convinced me that he is human. So I don't necessarily think it's that we refuse to hear the truth/rumors. They just aren't a make or break for us. They are much more important to his non-supporters, which of course, makes sense. I personally see far more positive qualities than negative in Obama, although I don't deny the negative. I cannot predict accurately whether Obama will be a success or failure, I'm just trying to convey the perspective that I think many of his supporters have. Edit: That is, if he wins.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
SusyLuvsPaul:
that's odd, i've heard of obama posters being stolen around here but nothing about mccain palin signs being stolen or defaced. it's so ironic that creme tangerine was accused of the same thing her accuser did to her...i cant see where creme t. did it, if she did happen to, anyway her accuser did it much more than she did. Ironic.
I said that so Mikemc would see that sometimes context isn't necessary to infer meaning of a single statement. As he proved himself, if I say (and it is an example, if I actually need to say that) "black people are killers and thieves" there is no way I can say that I meant anything else by the context. It is what it is. I made a general statement about black people. And it is racist and ignorant. Mikemc responded exactly as one should regarding ridiculous statements like that. The point being, when you say something like "democrats are ____" you are making a general assumption about democrats as a whole, despite if you were previously talking about specific people. It's a generalization. General, general, general, just for the sake of sounding like a broken record.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
If you don't want to debate something, fine! Just don't chop up my posts and accuse me of things you know to be untrue.
You said them. How am I supposed to know they are untrue? I'm not pulling this out of thin air.
Mikemc:
As you can see from my previous post it's not a good thing to do. Don't ignore substance and refuse to discuss substance and attack me for my opinion.
I'm sorry, is there a rule here stating that if I am going to comment about one thing that I find particularly offensive (your insults) that I have to comment about something else just for sake of it? That doesn't make sense. Also, YOU PROVED MY POINT by using that quote! Really, how do you not see that? I made a ridiculous generalization about black people that cannot be interpreted any other way, despite the context. It was an example. And you were right, saying something like means that a person is racist and full of hatred. Exactly!
Mikemc:
It's obvious by now you didn't care that people on your side of the aisle celebrated a slow painful death from someone with cancer and an elderly woman with a head injury from a life threatening fall. So save your sanctimonious bulls**t for the wine and cheeze crowd.
I have no clue how that is so obvious, as I never said anything to the like, but I won't ask you to back that up for the sake of letting this die.
Mikemc:
"I could be wrong" is what I said, but you claim that I stated it as fact. Don't try to read my mind because you haven't a clue. I have a right to an opinion and I will express it whenever I choose to. If you don't like my opinion attack it by showing me and others how and why I'm wrong. Don't initiate personal insults at me while refusing to debate the substance.
Okay well since your accusation was an opinion and not a fact, whatever the heck difference that makes, I guess it's alright...? I would have loved for you to give more reason for why you would assume such a radical thing. That's why I initially asked for clarification.
Mikemc:
A friend of mine has an Obama/Biden poster on his lawn. I told him if that was a McCain/Palin poster he could very well find a flat tire or a broken window on his car when he comes out one morning. Or he could get a rock through his window in the middle of the night when he and the family is sleeping. He knew what I was talking about and agreed.
I guess your friend isn't from my side of town. Look, I don't have the time to sit here and do this all day, but I needed to let you know that your comments were personally offensive and I believe most democrats would find them offensive. I don't think the generalizations and the false assumptions are necessary to make a valid argument. You don't have to say something outright to imply something (like your last paragraph implying that democrats are more likely to vandalize than Republicans). I am not sitting here saying "you're such a typical Republican for being so pompous and disrespectful" because I don't make silly generalizations like that. Both parties have people who deceive, lie, scheme, etc., etc. And both have decent, honest people as well. We don't need to keep dividing ourselves by throwing below-the-waist punches at eachother.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
cremetangerine:
black people are killers and thieves
Why do you have to make such racist statements? You should get your hatred checked by a professional.
Awesome! Thank you so much for proving what I was saying. See how ridiculous it is? That worked out beautifully.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
BandontheRun:
SusyLuvsPaul:
he's had cancer several times, and it could come back, for one thing.
Are you serious? : OK, so there is nothing wrong with his health right now. However, he COULD fall ill. Obama could also be hit by a bus or develop lung cancer from his smoking. Yes folks, Obama smokes but you will never see that covered by the media as he does it behind closed doors.
Most people die when they are old. Just sayin'.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
cremetangerine:
Mikemc:
Grandma just died. I knew it. I told friends when Obama went to Hawaii to visit his ill grandmother that she was gonna die the day before the election to get the sympathy vote. Or at least announce her death on the eve of the election if she dies within two to three days of the election. I could be wrong. But I'm basing my opinion on the fact that the Obama campaign has used every trick in the book to get elected on November 4th, while using their dupes in the media to destroy anyone who might get in his way. They even take money from anyone, anywhere in the world, for any amount. The legal maximum means nothing. Manually disable the AVS software, keep each donation (transaction) under $200 and we won't have to open our books when the ridiculous laughable sum of $150 million comes in for a single month. Everyone will know it's fraud and the only way to prove it is to hand our records over to the FEC, but they can't make us. RIP grandma, you've been thrown under the bus for the last time.
Oh my god. Is this a joke? Are you serious? You are accusing Obama of somehow strategically conspiring to have his grandmother DIE at a convenient time for him? Are you going to elaborate on how he may have done this? I can't believe what I am reading.
Cremetangerine, maybe you should read my words because the issue is that you can't believe what you're thinking. I never accused Obama of conspiring to have his grandma die on any date or time. There's nothing to elaborate on. If Granma can survive getting thrown under a moving bus she should have been able to survive anything. On my post you made no mention of what really matters in this election where Obama and his supporters are committing all kinds of fraud to get him elected. So I highlighted in blue my comments that you missed in your reply. Care to comment? Today in Philadelphia Black Panthers with police nightsticks were blocking whites from gaining entrance to vote. There were no police on scene because it's considered "voter intimidation" to have a police presence in some voting districts. The police had to be called in to take them away. Care to comment?
Why do you think there is no basis to what I say because I don't choose to debate about things that are completely irrelevant to why I posted in the first place? No, I don't care to comment about the Black Panthers. What does that have to with my comment? Further, you including the disclaimer "I could be wrong" does not mean that you didn't make an accusation. It means that you just don't want to back it up if ever called on it. Anyone reading that can see what you implied, and if you want to deny that, fine, but again, anyone reading it can see what you meant. It looks to me like you just don't want to take responsibility for what you say. Which is fine; people can see that.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
cremetangerine:
Mikemc:
That's your typical left wing hatred. They are all mentally deranged and they celebrate the deaths of people on the right while hoping their deaths were slow and painful. ... But the Democrats are so vile and devoid of any morals. They would steal candy from a child.
MikeMC, do you really think that lowly of democrats? You think every single person in the democratic party has no morals whatsoever? I just want to make sure I'm reading this right because I rarely see anyone be so rude and closed-minded publicly. I guess it's just the optimist in me. And by the way, maybe you should take a step and look at the way YOU are representing your party. Throwing insults, far-fetched accusations, suggesting (no, declaring) that anyone who disagrees with you completely lacks morality... I am a democrat and frankly I thank God you are on the other side so I don't have to be embarrassed by this type of childish behavior.
Once again, cremetangerine, you're having a problem with reading comprehension. It's also very sad when you have to chop up my post so as to avoid responding about the hatred coming from your side of the aisle. The only way you can represent your party is to ignore facts you don't like to hear and take posts out of context to avoid topics you know all to well about but don't want to acknowledge. I gonna reply to your edited version of my post even though I'm replying to incorrect information because of your not so clever editing. I never said every single member of the Democratic Party has no morals. I never thought that way and you know it. I don't expect you to apologize to me, but you should issue a general apology to all members of this board who might find value in your opinions. Without such an apology how can you expect anyone to trust you? My words that you edited included how the radical left at the Daily Kos and Huff Post celebrated the death of Tony snow from cancer. The only remorse they felt was that they don't think he suffered enough. They celebrated his death. Why did you edit that part out of my quotes? They rejoiced when Nancy Reagan fell and hit her head. They loved it. Again, why did you delete that from my post? You took all my words out of context, but in doing so you proved my thesis. I don't think most Democrats are deranged. I don't think most Democrats celebrated the death of Tony Snow or the head injury to Nancy Reagan when she fell. It's the left wing who have hijacked a once respected party. My issue is that not enough mainstream Democrats or liberals condemn that kind of hatred. When it is brought up here no one responds either. Instead, sentences of my post are cherry picked out of full paragraphs and quoted, or I should say- misquoted, on a response and used to misrepresent what I said. I wouldn't do that to you. Why did you do that to me? Do feel at all embarrassed? Is that kind behavior a representation of how the Democratic Party operates? The part about Dems stealing candy from a child was in regards to how Dems commit election fraud out in the open and laugh about it. Obama disables software on his website to violate all kinds of contribution laws laws. I don't see any Dems expressing anger at their own party for doing anything they can to get elected. Jesse Jackson said that tens of thousands of peop0le of color were prevented from voting in Florida in 2000 by Florida State Police, some with a gun pointed in their face. The only problem Jesse had was that he couldn't produce a single person to parade around as an oppressed citizen. The voter intimidation committed by the Black Panthers today is well documented by news people and poll workers. As far as relevance is concerned Jackson no longer has any. He's gone the way of the National Organization for Women. We never hear about them anymore because they lost all credibility after watching Clinton violate woman all throughout his presidency and not do anything about it. They lay together in the trash bin of history.
There, I quoted your WHOLE post, feel better? I guess you missed the point. I wasn't calling you out on the issues. If I don't want to debate them here I don't have to. That doesn't mean I don't care about them, or that I approve or condemn anything. It means I don't want to talk about them with you. I take no issue with you expressing your opinion whether I agree with it or not, and that was not problem. Saying that I am just diverting the issues, is, in fact, diverting the issue. That?s not what my post was about. My problem is with the insults you repeatedly throw at Democrats. I don?t have the time nor the interest to debate here, but as I read through the thread yesterday I was absolutely disgusted at the comments you were making and the fact that very few were calling you out. It doesn?t matter what the context is. When you say ?democrats this? and ?democrats that? you are making a generalization that ALL democrats are that way. How can it be read any other way? If you don?t mean ?democrats? in general than you need to be more specific. Adjectives are useful in these types of situations. If I am talking about two black men who committed murder and robbery and then I say ?black people are killers and thieves? ? would you assume I was referring to the two black men, since that was the context? No, I made a general statement that stands alone in its meaning. You can?t excuse what you say by saying I ignored the context. I read the context and your statements were still just as offensive, they still mean the same thing, and even though you think you have excuses, the single statements I picked out speak for themselves. They are quotes; you did say them. "democrats are so vile and devoid of any morals" I mean really Mikemc, does that need context? If you didn't mean it that way, you should state it a different way or be more clear in what you mean.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
That's your typical left wing hatred. They are all mentally deranged and they celebrate the deaths of people on the right while hoping their deaths were slow and painful. ... But the Democrats are so vile and devoid of any morals. They would steal candy from a child.
MikeMC, do you really think that lowly of democrats? You think every single person in the democratic party has no morals whatsoever? I just want to make sure I'm reading this right because I rarely see anyone be so rude and closed-minded publicly. I guess it's just the optimist in me. And by the way, maybe you should take a step and look at the way YOU are representing your party. Throwing insults, far-fetched accusations, suggesting (no, declaring) that anyone who disagrees with you completely lacks morality... I am a democrat and frankly I thank God you are on the other side so I don't have to be embarrassed by this type of childish behavior.
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RE: The ..2012.... Political thread
Mikemc:
Grandma just died. I knew it. I told friends when Obama went to Hawaii to visit his ill grandmother that she was gonna die the day before the election to get the sympathy vote. Or at least announce her death on the eve of the election if she dies within two to three days of the election. I could be wrong. But I'm basing my opinion on the fact that the Obama campaign has used every trick in the book to get elected on November 4th, while using their dupes in the media to destroy anyone who might get in his way. They even take money from anyone, anywhere in the world, for any amount. The legal maximum means nothing. Manually disable the AVS software, keep each donation (transaction) under $200 and we won't have to open our books when the ridiculous laughable sum of $150 million comes in for a single month. Everyone will know it's fraud and the only way to prove it is to hand our records over to the FEC, but they can't make us. RIP grandma, you've been thrown under the bus for the last time.
Oh my god. Is this a joke? Are you serious? You are accusing Obama of somehow strategically conspiring to have his grandmother DIE at a convenient time for him? Are you going to elaborate on how he may have done this? I can't believe what I am reading.