The ..2012.... Political thread
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And it's ironic that the political party of supposed "family values" is the leader in political sex scandals. Not to mention that they have more politicians on their second and third marriages. Say what you want about the Clintons -- but they are still together, and Bill Clinton, since leaving office, has done more for humankind via community service than the entire GOP combined. It's rare that scumbags like John Edwards are on our side of the fence. Men who serve their wives divorce papers while the women are in the hospital dying of cancer is usually Newt Gingrich's job. And I guess you're aware of the latest Republican sex scandal? The married representative who texted shirtless pics of himself to a lady he corresponded on Craigslist? And, getting back to the defense of marriage: Many of the Republican sex scandals are gay-related. (scratching my head over that one) Family values, my ass.
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mustangsally10:
richn ...this is for you
you are an honorary ditto head And What are the great accomplishments of the republican party in modern times? I'm having fun watching you guys try to get out of thisHere's a couple ... Supports the Defense of Marriage Act ? and a Constitutional amendment...
You consider that an accomplisment? I thought it was an act of hate, myself. Not to mention that it was a helluva brilliant strategy to get even the most buck-toothed hillbillies to voting booths to ensure Bush's first (almost honest) election in 2004.
Why's that??? - it allows states to decide amongst themselves whether to consider same sex marriage is legal...and it should be that way because federal gov't should not have any part of that...every other aspect of marriage is handled at state level. Fwiw, I am not opposed to same sex marriage. MA is a same sex marriage state and I voted for it.
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audi:
And it's ironic that the political party of supposed "family values" is the leader in political sex scandals. Not to mention that they have more politicians on their second and third marriages. Say what you want about the Clintons -- but they are still together, and Bill Clinton, since leaving office, has done more for humankind via community service than the entire GOP combined. It's rare that scumbags like John Edwards are on our side of the fence. Men who serve their wives divorce papers while the women are in the hospital dying of cancer is usually Newt Gingrich's job. And I guess you're aware of the latest Republican sex scandal? The married representative who texted shirtless pics of himself to a lady he corresponded on Craigslist? And, getting back to the defense of marriage: Many of the Republican sex scandals are gay-related. (scratching my head over that one) Family values, my ass.
Btw, you do know it was Bill Clinton who actually signed that DOMA, right But it was the republican majority congress who voted in favor of it 85-14 vote and HOR voted in favor of it 342-67
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rich n:
audi:
rich n:
mustangsally10:
richn ...this is for you
you are an honorary ditto head And What are the great accomplishments of the republican party in modern times? I'm having fun watching you guys try to get out of thisHere's a couple ... Supports the Defense of Marriage Act ? and a Constitutional amendment...
You consider that an accomplisment? I thought it was an act of hate, myself. Not to mention that it was a helluva brilliant strategy to get even the most buck-toothed hillbillies to voting booths to ensure Bush's first (almost honest) election in 2004.
Why's that??? - it allows states to decide amongst themselves whether to consider same sex marriage is legal...and it should be that way because federal gov't should not have any part of that...every other aspect of marriage is handled at state level. Fwiw, I am not opposed to same sex marriage. MA is a same sex marriage state and I voted for it.
I'll concede -- marginally -- but the name of the legislation is an insult to gay Americans. And we both know that it wasn't really about allowing states to decide. It was about galvanizing a political base.
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republicans have always been the biggest supporters of democratic compromise...
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mustangsally10:
Yoo Hoo! Egypt is Free Folks, this is what is looks like to have a grownup in the White House Bringing democracy to the middle east without invading and killing off the population Obama did no such thing.....the Egyptian people did. Another great democratic achievement! along with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc, etc, etc, uh, "social security, medicare and medicaid" aren't "democratic" achievements.....they are "democrat" achievements.....pity that still confuses democrats Why aren't the repubs bragging about their so called achievements They're probably grown up and don't need to Live stream from Cairo here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41528247#41528247 Bravo Egypt!
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rich n:
jaipur:
Answers were posted a number of times. With *two* supposed graduate degrees, you seem to be too stupid to read them.
If it doesn't come from one particular source, it doens't count (in his mind). And if you notice whatever 'evidence' he pumps out is sourced from that very same 'group' (funny he used the term 'ditto head' when he is the only one exhibiting 'sameness' with that evil crap he spews)...but to answer his question, their contribution is on going in fighting off the idiocy of the Dems...Here in MA, Scott Brown was a great victory if for no other reason that to finally put a crack in the communist gov't we have here in MA
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[quote="mustangsally10"]Obama's Cairo speech here:
There is no doubt that the Egyptian's heard what Obama said about supporting the people's wishes for democracy. That is the message he wanted to convey...that is why he went to Cairo. This revolution was not a surprise to the White House....what a blow to al Qaeda. That's the way to do it Obama & Clinton awesome [/quote Actually they saw what was done in Tunsia. And by all accounts, the revolution caught the WH off guard. Oh that's right....I forgot you can't read. -
jaipur:
mustangsally10:
Yoo Hoo! Egypt is Free Folks, this is what is looks like to have a grownup in the White House Bringing democracy to the middle east without invading and killing off the population Obama did no such thing.....the Egyptian people did. You're right...The Egyptian people had probably never heard of a Democrat called Obama? Another great democratic achievement! along with Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, etc, etc, etc, uh, "social security, medicare and medicaid" aren't "democratic" achievements.....they are "democrat" achievements.....pity that still confuses democrats Yes,that's understandable. Why aren't the repubs bragging about their so called achievements They're probably grown up and don't need to NOT! Live stream from Cairo here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/41528247#41528247 Bravo Egypt!
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Most of those so called 'accomplishments' are either making the MIC stronger. Blocking programs that could help people, Insulting and marginalizing to some (marriage). And the tax cuts were the ones that made the rich richer. Anyone who thinks those are accomplishments is a real tea bagger and I hope they get Palin to be their candidate. gonna be fun when the national inquirer finishes up with their investigation of Boehner the next sex scandal.
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mustangsally10:
Most of those so called 'accomplishments' are either making the MIC stronger. Blocking programs that could help people, Insulting and marginalizing to some (marriage). And the tax cuts were the ones that made the rich richer. Anyone who thinks those are accomplishments is a real tea bagger and I hope they get Palin to be their candidate. gonna be fun when the national inquirer finishes up with their investigation of Boehner the next sex scandal.
You still have not mentioned anything the Dems have accomplished (other than what I mentioned)...pretty much 'nuuuthin' except play of good game of 'play on your emotions' (the boogie man is going to get you if you don't do this or you don't do that)
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[quote="SurSteven Obama did no such thing.....the Egyptian people did. You're right...The Egyptian people had probably never heard of a Democrat called Obama? During the past 18 days, not one Egyptian mentioned Obama on camera. The victory belongs to the Egyptian people uh, "social security, medicare and medicaid" aren't "democratic" achievements.....they are "democrat" achievements.....pity that still confuses democrats Yes,that's understandable. Ah, another illiterate on the board....... Why aren't the repubs bragging about their so called achievements They're probably grown up and don't need to NOT! I do find it amusing that your hero sally trots out her environmental speel and yet with her "two graduate degrees", can't even acknowledge that the national parks in this country were instituted by a republican president; that a republican president signed into law protection of the environment and a mechanism to protect endangered species. btw, this is how grown ups act, so do be a good little girl and take your barbie doll to bed with you...someday you'll be a grown up....obviously not today
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Of course, the Egyptian revolution belongs to the Egyptians, and mainly the young Egyptians as they were the ones to organize and persist using new technology. This revolution has been brewing for 30 years but, there is doubt that this would have occurred under bush and of course did not, even though the technology was in place. The Israeli's are very nervous about this change and bush is an uber Israel backer. It's quite possible that bush would have backed his buddy Mubarak as his and bush sr's support are of long standing. Perhaps he would have left it to Mubarak as to how much military restrain to use rather than condemning any violence. And perhaps there would not have been the threat of withholding aid. But Obama went to Cairo and spoke to the people telling them that he would support the people against an autocratic regime laying the seeds to encourage their revolt, implying that the US would not get in their way. They took the risk and the rest is history. I think the revolutionary's decided that this was their best time and of course it was.
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mustangsally10:
Most of those so called 'accomplishments' are either making the MIC stronger. Blocking programs that could help people, Insulting and marginalizing to some (marriage). And the tax cuts were the ones that made the rich richer. Anyone who thinks those are accomplishments is a real tea bagger and I hope they get Palin to be their candidate. gonna be fun when the national inquirer finishes up with their investigation of Boehner the next sex scandal.
You may be blind and can't read, but....
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mustangsally10:
Of course, the Egyptian revolution belongs to the Egyptians, and mainly the young Egyptians as they were the ones to organize and persist using new technology. This revolution has been brewing for 30 years but, there is doubt that this would have occurred under bush and of course did not, even though the technology was in place. The Israeli's are very nervous about this change and bush is an uber Israel backer. It's quite possible that bush would have backed his buddy Mubarak as his and bush sr's support are of long standing. Perhaps he would have left it to Mubarak as to how much military restrain to use rather than condemning any violence. And perhaps there would not have been the threat of withholding aid. But Obama went to Cairo and spoke to the people telling them that he would support the people against an autocratic regime laying the seeds to encourage their revolt, implying that the US would not get in their way. They took the risk and the rest is history. I think the revolutionary's decided that this was their best time and of course it was.
Link to Cairo speech here:
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jaipur:
btw, this is how grown ups act, so do be a good little girl and take your barbie doll to bed with you...someday you'll be a grown up....obviously not today
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Happy Birthday Abraham Lincoln I think Lincoln would be a democrat if he lived in our time. His quote:
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Abraham Lincoln
1)Lincoln firmly defended the principle of natural equality that was invoked as the basis for the much later Civil Rights Revolution. Unlike the states' rights conservatives of his day and ours, the author of the Emancipation Proclamation did not have philosophical objections to federal enforcement of civil rights. 2)re immigration :Lincoln's dismissal of prejudice against Irish and German Catholics naturally leads to dismissal of all arguments about immigration based in bigotry. 3)on economics:
My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff." In short, Lincoln was in favor of a strong federal government that actively promoted American infrastructure and manufacturing.
Lincoln led the federal government to lavish subsidies on the railroads, which as a result nearly doubled American track miles between 1860 and 1870. Would Lincoln join today's Republicans in calling for more tax cuts as the answer to every problem? President Lincoln signed the bills creating the IRS and the first U.S. income tax. Lincoln was not a religious man: Can anyone believe that a contemporary Republican politician who refused to join a Christian church, who was described by friends as "an avowed and open infidel," who had written a book mocking the miracles in the Bible, who described evangelical voters as "priest-ridden," and was a "warm advocate" of evolutionary theory, could be nominated for president by today's Republican Party?
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mustangsally10:
Happy Birthday Abraham Lincoln I think Lincoln would be a democrat if he lived in our time. His quote:
Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. Abraham Lincoln
1)Lincoln firmly defended the principle of natural equality that was invoked as the basis for the much later Civil Rights Revolution. Unlike the states' rights conservatives of his day and ours, the author of the Emancipation Proclamation did not have philosophical objections to federal enforcement of civil rights. 2)re immigration :Lincoln's dismissal of prejudice against Irish and German Catholics naturally leads to dismissal of all arguments about immigration based in bigotry. 3)on economics:
My politics are short and sweet, like the old woman's dance. I am in favor of a national bank ... in favor of the internal improvements system and a high protective tariff." In short, Lincoln was in favor of a strong federal government that actively promoted American infrastructure and manufacturing.
Lincoln led the federal government to lavish subsidies on the railroads, which as a result nearly doubled American track miles between 1860 and 1870. Would Lincoln join today's Republicans in calling for more tax cuts as the answer to every problem? President Lincoln signed the bills creating the IRS and the first U.S. income tax. Lincoln was not a religious man: Can anyone believe that a contemporary Republican politician who refused to join a Christian church, who was described by friends as "an avowed and open infidel," who had written a book mocking the miracles in the Bible, who described evangelical voters as "priest-ridden," and was a "warm advocate" of evolutionary theory, could be nominated for president by today's Republican Party?
LOL - more baseless rhetoric on your part...Lincoln defined what being Republican is all about. He (for one) is responsible for the abolishment of slavery - despite your democratic's attempt to keep a hold on slavery by trying to implement the use of the (then) just recently invented cotton gin...Pratically the entire south was comprised of democrats at the time and fought tooth and nail (figuratively and literally) to keep a hold on slavery... You're attempt to steal credit for something I brought up yesterday is pretty weak ops:
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The focus was on the facts of Lincoln's policies and action being in line with the modern democrat party. Yes, the old dixie democrats became republicans as their policies are more in line with modern republicans and they are now the republican base in the south. The old racist, homophobic, states rights dixie democrats are now the largest part of the republican base and their policies remain the same.
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mustangsally10:
The focus was on the facts of Lincoln's policies and action being in line with the modern democrat party. Yes, the old dixie democrats became republicans as their policies are more in line with modern republicans and they are now the republican base in the south. The old racist, homophobic, states rights dixie democrats are now the largest part of the republican base and their policies remain the same.
So you'd like to wish...you can't shake that enigma simply throwing up a smoke screen on a Paul McCartney site - that belongs to you and your party. Throughout the 40's, 50's and 60's (when civil rights started coming to a head), it was republican reforms that led to women and blacks gaining more and more rights. The democrats have nothing except for 'playing on your emotions' on their side. Basically they sit on the sidelines and only come out to play when they see something they want to discredit - such as whether the progress they want (but don't do anything to help promote) isn't happening at a pace that pleases them...heck, if the dems would simply come up with some ideas, maybe the progress would move forward at a better pace. You guys complain that things stalled under GWB, but for goodness sake - things (domestically and internationally) been going backwards ever since (and I love the oft used excuse 'oh, Obama had a lot to clean up - see my rofl helicopter gif file above )...Your leaders include the likes of Michael Moore and Al Gore Oh yeah...and you had Teddy Kennedy until he died last year So in the words of 'you' - why don't you put up or shut up about how many great things the dems have done?