KOTB charting
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audi:
walliebaby:
audi:
left hand man:
Seems to me on Paul McCartneys official website, the man reaching the top of any chart should be celebrated, especially when it's one of the majors like Billboard! Jazz artist all over the freaking world work their entire lives to reach that position!
It's certainly worth noting that Paul is now in good company with brilliant jazz artists like Herbie Hancock. The top position of Billboard's Jazz Chart is worth celebrating, as was Electric Argument's No. 1 position on Billboard's Indie Albums Chart. Not quite getting why there's all this attitude just because it didn't hit No. 1 on the Pop Albums Chart. As if a Top 5 album were a dismal failure or something.
I'll talk for myself on this one--the original comments were about how Paul hadn't had a number 1 in a long time, and because of this we should all be ecstatic. Some folks then pointed out that he had indeed, several times, with his past several albums. That's around when there were posts about how because we weren't going crazy with joy and exclamation points, we were being negative. ...
Makes sense to me. Some of the others' comments were obnoxious, but your position is solid, all the way.
obnoxious to you maybe, not to the people writing them, if you took the time to read all LHM posts not only on this thread (others to) regarding KOTB it was all super, fantastic, brilliant, (maybe not those exact words "for susy's benefit) until recently there was no substance to his opinion, if you ask me LHM knows exactly what he's doing here and more the fool you for falling for it.
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audi:
left hand man:
Seems to me on Paul McCartneys official website, the man reaching the top of any chart should be celebrated, especially when it's one of the majors like Billboard! Jazz artist all over the freaking world work their entire lives to reach that position!
It's certainly worth noting that Paul is now in good company with brilliant jazz artists like Herbie Hancock. The top position of Billboard's Jazz Chart is worth celebrating, as was Electric Argument's No. 1 position on Billboard's Indie Albums Chart. Not quite getting why there's all this attitude just because it didn't hit No. 1 on the Pop Albums Chart. As if a Top 5 album were a dismal failure or something.
first and foremost McCartney is and always will be a mainstream artist, his classical, ballet, jazz & fireman works are all side projects which no one apart from McCartney fans bother about, NO one on this side of the pond said KOTB would get to No1 yet before the album came out many on your side were saying it would get to No1, maybe we're just more realistic over here in the UK. McCartney would rather be up there with the artist in the mainstream charts any day of the week, that's where the money is and your kidding yourself on if you think otherwise
All credit to him and more importantly the fans for getting KOTB into the top 10 in quite a few charts throughout the world, that shows he still has a massive fan base, he should start remembering we're fans, not because of his ballet, classical or the more recent Jazz album, we're fans because of his mainstream work with The Beatles, Wings and his mainstream solo career.. And before someone says i like this and that, yes he's earned the right to do these side projects (that's all they are-side projects) yet by doing these projects, he's forgotten all about the fans who would rather he done a pop/rock album, how many years is that we've waited now?
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Bruce M.:
walliebaby:
Michelley:
Widely hailed by critics as one of the best albums in Paul McCartney?s solo career, ?Memory Almost Full? sold 160, 541 copies across all retail outlets in the U.S. in its debut week, landing the record at #3 on Billboard Top 200 chart.
My how times have changed. Nowadays, 160,541 would be considered a big seller and more than enough for a No. 1. A few weeks ago, Leonard Cohen's new album was at No. 3 and sold only 34,o00 copies.
And yes, Walliebaby, digital sales are part of the total but the rise in digital sales still hasn't made up for the massive drop in CD sales for most artists. So, considering that, and considering that KOTB is a jazz album (which are almost never in the top 10 of the main Billboard chart), I'd say Paul's done pretty well with KOTB.
Agreed. I've mentioned a few times that I'm surprised that it's done so well, and am happy for Paul that it has. As you pointed out, if KOTB had been released a few weeks ago, or even a few weeks from now, it might easily have hit #1.
Reality isn't nearly so simple. Adele's "21" sold 291,000+ this week -- a drop of 59% from her 700,000+ sales the week before. Some artists still move massive numbers of albums. Paul hasn't been one of them for some time. That's just reality.
Some artists are going to continue to move albums off the shelves. I hope that even Paul's most ardent defenders on the forum will know that Paul hasn't been one of these powerhouses of sales for a while, as much as we all would like him to be. I was responding more to the comment about Leonard Cohen's 34,000 sales figure putting him at #3, and stating that in that case, Paul could have been a #1 for KOTB. As I've said numerous times here in this thread, I'm surprised (almost shocked) that KOTB has been doing so well on the charts, more for the fact that I'm not thinking that THIS is the album out of Paul's recent ones that should be charting so well. As Audi pointed out, MAF opened to a #3 spot, but then, if I recall correctly, plummeted pretty quickly. I like that album a lot, much more than KOTB, and yet KOTB has exceeded all of the expectations I had for it in terms of sales...
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audi:
walliebaby:
audi:
Also, EA shouldn't even be a factor in this argument, as it was not promoted at the same level -- not to mention that it was a released under a pseudonym.
Agreed. I'm more impressed that EA made it to #1 for that reason than I am with KOTB's #1.
Me, too.
Me three
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walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
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hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
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hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
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hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
And downloads are so easily lost...call me old school, but I also like to have a physical copy of my music. Some artists, though, are only releasing digital copies of their albums.
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hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
I don't see the day when they will disappear completely, like vinyl, less amounts will still be made for people who prefer there music to be in physical form
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Macsback:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
I don't see the day when they will disappear completely, like vinyl, less amounts will still be made for people who prefer there music to be in physical form
That's kind of what I alluded to in a post yesterday, my lurve. Great minds think alike.
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walliebaby:
hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
And downloads are so easily lost...call me old school, but I also like to have a physical copy of my music. Some artists, though, are only releasing digital copies of their albums.
like many other people i wouldn't pay for a digital release, no chance, never ever ever..
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walliebaby:
Macsback:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
I don't see the day when they will disappear completely, like vinyl, less amounts will still be made for people who prefer there music to be in physical form
That's kind of what I alluded to in a post yesterday, my lurve. Great minds think alike.
together we are one
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Macsback:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
And downloads are so easily lost...call me old school, but I also like to have a physical copy of my music. Some artists, though, are only releasing digital copies of their albums.
like many other people i wouldn't pay for a digital release, no chance, never ever ever..
I've bought four digital albums so far, two because they weren't being released physically, and two because they were out-of-print. It's good enough for me when I can't get the physical copies, but that's about it. First choice will always be physical copies.
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walliebaby:
Macsback:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
walliebaby:
hengirl:
I feel it's done as well as it could have done to be honest,indeed maybe even a little bit better than expected i suppose you have to wonder how much longer pyhiscal sales have left in this day and age though.
Very true. I see a day, coming soon, when CD's will be bought as collectibles, just like vinyl, but not as cool as vinyl.
I honestly dread that day too,and as you say it's not far off either where CD's will become collectables utter madness i much prefer having something to hold in my hand and place in the cd player for my money,downloads seem so impersonal to me.
And downloads are so easily lost...call me old school, but I also like to have a physical copy of my music. Some artists, though, are only releasing digital copies of their albums.
like many other people i wouldn't pay for a digital release, no chance, never ever ever..
I've bought four digital albums so far, two because they weren't being released physically, and two because they were out-of-print. It's good enough for me when I can't get the physical copies, but that's about it. First choice will always be physical copies.
i would get them from other sites
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The problem with digital downloading...what happens when your computer finally dies or you get a new one? You lose your music?
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Kathryn O:
The problem with digital downloading...what happens when your computer finally dies or you get a new one? You lose your music?
Unless you back it up somehow, yes. I'd rather just get the CD instead of downloading, using memory space, backing it up, etc.
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Kathryn O:
The problem with digital downloading...what happens when your computer finally dies or you get a new one? You lose your music?
anything i get off the nets goes onto disc asap
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Macsback:
Kathryn O:
The problem with digital downloading...what happens when your computer finally dies or you get a new one? You lose your music?
anything i get off the nets goes onto disc asap
ditto.
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I feel like we've strayed far away from the KOTB charting topic.
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Almost my entire music collection is digital, I don't even own a CD player
Well technically that's a lie - I have a CD player in my car.