Is he ignoring the UK
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moptops:
Might be something in that. As an Aussie, I know Brits well. I suspect his driving around Beverly Hills etc, in his gym gear would go over like a lead balloon there. For all intents and purposes he's almost a yank now isn't he? George was the only one who really remained very British (if you get my drift.)
George owned multiple homes outside the UK and never once toured the UK, so I'm not sure in what ways he was more British than Paul.
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Dear God, has this forum sunk to the level that we're going to fight each other because of a tour schedule that we don't have any control over? : For goodness' sake, let's get a grip, folks! We have a new album coming out, a remastered album and remastered Rockshow (in theaters!) to look forward to! Even if all of us can't afford to buy any of these things, they'll wind up on youtube the same week they're released, so no worries! On a more serious note, it's a bit disconcerting to read trash from a fellow American about British people that is blatantly generalizing and just plain disturbing. No rational person can rely purely on the internet and books for knowledge of an entire country's people, and to do so causes division and prejudice. There's no place for that on the forum, and there shouldn't be any place for that in society, period. I think we've seen the danger of that sort of thinking recently in my home state of Massachusetts, and I'm not in the mood to tolerate it anymore. Not after the marathon bombing. Not going to happen. To all my fellow Macca fans who can't enjoy him on his tours, I am sorry. I can't apologize for being able to see him as often as I do, I live on the east coast of the United States, and Paul seems to like it here. It's not my fault, nor the fault of any American. Blame Paul and his tour team, not us. No need to spread hate our way over something we don't dictate. I love you all, and hope that he and his team pull their heads out of their arses and realize that the globe spins ALL the way around, and there are other places that would love to have him tour there. Best of luck to you all, and here's hoping that you all get to be Out There soon!
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walliebaby:
Dear God, has this forum sunk to the level that we're going to fight each other because of a tour schedule that we don't have any control over? : For goodness' sake, let's get a grip, folks! We have a new album coming out, a remastered album and remastered Rockshow (in theaters!) to look forward to! Even if all of us can't afford to buy any of these things, they'll wind up on youtube the same week they're released, so no worries! On a more serious note, it's a bit disconcerting to read trash from a fellow American about British people that is blatantly generalizing and just plain disturbing. No rational person can rely purely on the internet and books for knowledge of an entire country's people, and to do so causes division and prejudice. There's no place for that on the forum, and there shouldn't be any place for that in society, period. I think we've seen the danger of that sort of thinking recently in my home state of Massachusetts, and I'm not in the mood to tolerate it anymore. Not after the marathon bombing. Not going to happen. To all my fellow Macca fans who can't enjoy him on his tours, I am sorry. I can't apologize for being able to see him as often as I do, I live on the east coast of the United States, and Paul seems to like it here. It's not my fault, nor the fault of any American. Blame Paul and his tour team, not us. No need to spread hate our way over something we don't dictate. I love you all, and hope that he and his team pull their heads out of their arses and realize that the globe spins ALL the way around, and there are other places that would love to have him tour there. Best of luck to you all, and here's hoping that you all get to be Out There soon!
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Can't y'all read English, I said SOME Brits not by any means ALL or even most Brits. I wasn't generalizing and sorry if that didn't come across. Why be bothered by plastic surgery, hair dye and hair styles, those are superficial things. Also it's great if somebody works out and does yoga seeking to be healthy and energetic and all that. If you appeared on stage many many times and were still appearing and in the media, you would be more concerned with physical appearance too. Paul has always seemed to enjoy being a big star (or usually) although being an artist and musician is doubtless vastly more important and meaningful to him than his "super star" status. I say that's fine to enjoy being a star, and famous. He might as well enjoy it since he's stuck with it. He takes the good with the bad, the upside with the down side of stardom and fame because he's basically optimistic. As an arts lover, it's laudable to the utmost to me that Paul McCartney has inspired many to appreciate the arts ,especially music, and inspired them to want to write songs and make music themselves. He has more than done his bit to foster, glorify, preserve and advance the magnificent English language and the music arts.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
Can't y'all read English, I said SOME Brits not by any means ALL or even most Brits. I wasn't generalizing and sorry if that didn't come across. Why be bothered by plastic surgery, hair dye and hair styles, those are superficial things. Also it's great if somebody works out and does yoga seeking to be healthy and energetic and all that. If you appeared on stage many many times and were still appearing and in the media, you would be more concerned with physical appearance too. Paul has always seemed to enjoy being a big star (or usually) although being an artist and musician is doubtless vastly more important and meaningful to him than his "super star" status. I say that's fine to enjoy being a star, and famous. He might as well enjoy it since he's stuck with it. He takes the good with the bad, the upside with the down side of stardom and fame because he's basically optimistic. As an arts lover, it's laudable to the utmost to me that Paul McCartney has inspired many to appreciate the arts ,especially music, and inspired them to want to write songs and make music themselves. He has more than done his bit to foster, glorify, preserve and advance the magnificent English language and the music arts.
We can read English fine--the problem is that we understand exactly what you said in the comments below. You basically said America and Latin America have better fans than every other countries. That's ridiculous and a silly thing to say. If you're trying to create dissension on the board, great job. Goal accomplished. :
SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
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No, I wasn't trying to, actually. It's been noted elsewhere, and often, that Paul especially enjoys performing in the States and in Latin America, because of the overwhelming loving response from the audiences. There's also a tremendous uproar over him everywhere he performs, I've noticed. So he should be well satisfied with this portion of his career
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SusyLuvsPaul:
No, I wasn't trying to, actually. It's been noted elsewhere, and often, that Paul especially enjoys performing in the States and in Latin America, because of the overwhelming loving response from the audiences. There's also a tremendous uproar over him everywhere he performs, I've noticed. So he should be well satisfied with this portion of his career
It's been noted by whom? What experts have posted that? Or are you talking about people on here who say "Whew! What a great crowd at the show last night!"? I don't know that this counts as the Gospel word on which fans are best. The notion of crowning certain countries as having the best fans is ludicrous as best, as how would someone even begin to quantify what a good fan is? More important, why would anyone want to unless their aim is to rub other people's noses in not being the "best fan"? Come on, don't we have enough problems, like finding money to buy the remasters, finding tickets to concerts, or our own daily issues?
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I am not an expert by any means and am only speculating, but maybe it has something to do with the amount of taxation when doing the shows in the UK? Maybe it costs more financially to do a big tour in the UK then in the states? Also maybe, (naively speaking again) that the bigger cities are closer together in the UK then in the States which are more spread out being a bigger country so it makes sense that you would have to have more tour dates to accommodate the market? once again, wild speculation.
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nowords:
after all the bad press last year regarding the performances at the queens party and the olympics do you think Paul is staying away from UK Shows
Hi Gary, Nice to see you posting! Hope this message finds you and your family well. A simple, yet interesting question, that has clearly stirred passion for some. My opinion, no, I do not think that Paul is staying away from UK shows. Paul is a very intelligent man who has been handling the press, good, bad, or indifferent, for a very long time. It is abundantly clear that Paul is a consummate professional, whose feathers are not easily ruffled by the press or anyone else. Paul has been announcing concert dates in clusters for quite a while now. I certainly do not know if Paul is planning any concerts in the UK during 2013, but if he is indeed planning to do so, I imagine we will not learn of those dates until we are closer to the calendar date of which the concerts are scheduled. I realize that many see Paul as performing more shows in the States than other areas, but the US covers a very large surface area. You, Gary, located in the UK, are only another 1,000 miles further than if I were to drive to California. I hope that Paul will return to the UK, performing there very soon, as it is quite clear that he has many fans there that LOVE him very much. If Paul did not have adoring fans in the UK, we would not be seeing the frustration that we now see as a result of the desire for Paul's return. Fingers crossed for the UK! Anita
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thetoot:
I think part of the criticism of Paul here in the U.K is that he comes across as a bit shallow, or a bit fake - and that he is past his best. This might seem completely ridiculous to people from other countries, but I think that a lot of the hostility has to do with his hair and his face-lift. Crazy as it sounds, Brits really really don't like facelifts and people dying their hair in an obvious way as it comes across as symbolic of some kind of fakery. Yes, it's a silly point of view, but take that, coupled with the almost over-glossy nature of what many people have seen from his live set and you can sort of understand the criticism. Remember, most Brits have no idea whatsoever about the amazing back catalogue he has and think that he only did something in The Beatles, so when he then goes out and seemingly only plays Beatles songs on live t.v, coupled with the other stuff, you have the roots of the criticism. He doesn't deserve it though and he is a national treasure.
I agree with a lot of what you say, except the facelift part! I have said this repeatedly, if Paul has had a facelift (and I seriously doubt it) he needs to sue his plastic surgeon!!
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Just a quick google search of population. United States: 313,914,040 - Jul 2012 Source: U.S. Census Bureau United Kingdom: 62,641,000 - 2011 Source: World Bank Now granted the year difference, US is almost 5 times the population (This of course doesn't take into account what part of the population in the US or UK are in fact Paul McCartney fans.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
From what I've seen in U.K. chatrooms and in movies, books and elsewhere, the Brits ( a lot of them, not all, by any means) seem unusually spiteful, jeering, petty-minded and envious at times. I've even heard and read several times that it isn't accepted or the thing to do to be successful in the U.K., you're not supposed to be, or not supposed to make a big show of it, anyway. While in the U.S., more people than not cheer on another's big success and are glad for them. Certainly the most famed celebs such as Elvis are wholeheartedly loved, just about universally beloved in the States, with few or no reservations. We're able to fully appreciate the most deserving stars. We're real good "fans." Somebody like Elvis seems to have the most devoted fans and Paul has fans like that in the U.S. too. Apparently the Latin countries are like that too, able to be "real fans" which is a big part of why Paul prefers to tour there, too and also especially in the U.S.
WTF?
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moptops:
Might be something in that. As an Aussie, I know Brits well. I suspect his driving around Beverly Hills etc, in his gym gear would go over like a lead balloon there. For all intents and purposes he's almost a yank now isn't he? George was the only one who really remained very British (if you get my drift.)
George owned multiple homes outside the UK and never once toured the UK, so I'm not sure in what ways he was more British than Paul.
I know that, he had a home in Australia too. But McCartney might as well live in the USA full time these days...follows the yankees ffs...
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Triplets Love Paul:
nowords:
after all the bad press last year regarding the performances at the queens party and the olympics do you think Paul is staying away from UK Shows
Hi Gary, Nice to see you posting! Hope this message finds you and your family well. A simple, yet interesting question, that has clearly stirred passion for some. My opinion, no, I do not think that Paul is staying away from UK shows. Paul is a very intelligent man who has been handling the press, good, bad, or indifferent, for a very long time. It is abundantly clear that Paul is a consummate professional, whose feathers are not easily ruffled by the press or anyone else. Paul has been announcing concert dates in clusters for quite a while now. I certainly do not know if Paul is planning any concerts in the UK during 2013, but if he is indeed planning to do so, I imagine we will not learn of those dates until we are closer to the calendar date of which the concerts are scheduled. I realize that many see Paul as performing more shows in the States than other areas, but the US covers a very large surface area. You, Gary, located in the UK, are only another 1,000 miles further than if I were to drive to California. I hope that Paul will return to the UK, performing there very soon, as it is quite clear that he has many fans there that LOVE him very much. If Paul did not have adoring fans in the UK, we would not be seeing the frustration that we now see as a result of the desire for Paul's return. Fingers crossed for the UK! Anita
Fingers crossed
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Nancy R:
thetoot:
I think part of the criticism of Paul here in the U.K is that he comes across as a bit shallow, or a bit fake - and that he is past his best. This might seem completely ridiculous to people from other countries, but I think that a lot of the hostility has to do with his hair and his face-lift. Crazy as it sounds, Brits really really don't like facelifts and people dying their hair in an obvious way as it comes across as symbolic of some kind of fakery. Yes, it's a silly point of view, but take that, coupled with the almost over-glossy nature of what many people have seen from his live set and you can sort of understand the criticism. Remember, most Brits have no idea whatsoever about the amazing back catalogue he has and think that he only did something in The Beatles, so when he then goes out and seemingly only plays Beatles songs on live t.v, coupled with the other stuff, you have the roots of the criticism. He doesn't deserve it though and he is a national treasure.
I agree with a lot of what you say, except the facelift part! I have said this repeatedly, if Paul has had a facelift (and I seriously doubt it) he needs to sue his plastic surgeon!!
I agree he did not have a facelift, he looks his age and I am not trying to be mean.
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Yeah, Paul got face lift around the same time they replaced him with that "New" Paul back in the 60's :
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I hope sincerly that Paul get back to play in UK soon, even when some people, who don't know him well, think he could be bothered with his own people...Paul never could be this way, he is a very busy man...he is beloved by the half of the planet, here in South America, in Australia, in Asia...we only have to be patient and he will come soon
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Well i've seen Paul play 4 times in the UK over the last three years so i would hardly say he ignores us, but admittedly all 4 have been in London, i do think the rest of the UK gets short shrift though. If i was Australian then i'd be pissed off, now there's a place he should be playing. I do think in general that people in the UK like men and women to look and act there age, hair dye and wearing clothes that are to young for you is seen as rather demeaning. Paul of course isn't an old 70 year old by any stretch, but i think it's a fine line, no pun intended, between looking old and frumpy and looking like you're clinging to your youth with too much desperation.
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Hmm, having been a Brit fan for the past 12 years or something I've never gotten around to seeing Macca live. I suspect that the UK will get the Christmas run in like in three of the last four years and I intend to go to one of the shows if indeed any occur at all. I'd sooner go to a Latin concert though, can't imagine any British show having the same atmosphere as those South American shows last year and I only got that sense of atmosphere from YT clips. I'd probably prefer to be in Mexico City or Montevideo than Sheffield or some such turd hole in Yorkshire as well but I guess the rest of the audience probably would too. I guess Latin/American audiences are alot more likely to give a friendily and positive reaction to any new material that may pop up in the set. If he debuted in the UK you can imagine a few coughs and mutterings of "get on with Jet" or somesuch. It is true, the British mentality is to keep the stiff upper lip and not to blow your own horn, and Paul's shows feature Paul blowing his own horn very, very loudly.
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*Perry*:
Hmm, having been a Brit fan for the past 12 years or something I've never gotten around to seeing Macca live. I'd probably prefer to be in Mexico City or Montevideo than Sheffield or some such turd hole in Yorkshire as well .
Ever been South of the border down Mexico way?