Set List critique
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Vintage Clothes, That Was Me, or Feet in the Clouds would be good additions too. And once again...he could be selling the cds right there!
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My Salamander:
It's very frustrating for the hardcore fans who shell out hard-earned $ year after year to get a set list grown stale...
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I also would take out "Save Us" and put "Jet" back where it belongs as follow-up to the opener. Save Us sounds flat and uninspired (including the album version) - just kind of lays there like a Coke left out on the counter for a week.
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My Salamander:
I also would take out "Save Us" and put "Jet" back where it belongs as follow-up to the opener. Save Us sounds flat and uninspired (including the album version) - just kind of lays there like a Coke left out on the counter for a week.
I like "Save Us" in the second slot...people are still on their feet after the familar Beatles opening number and wham..here comes a *new, *solo song before they have time to think about it. I love Jet but he has been doing it for ages, and if we are asking Paul to shake up the set list, putting his newer material upfront like that works well, I think.
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thenightfish:
My Salamander:
I also would take out "Save Us" and put "Jet" back where it belongs as follow-up to the opener. Save Us sounds flat and uninspired (including the album version) - just kind of lays there like a Coke left out on the counter for a week.
I like "Save Us" in the second slot...people are still on their feet after the familar Beatles opening number and wham..here comes a *new, *solo song before they have time to think about it. I love Jet but he has been doing it for ages, and if we are asking Paul to shake up the set list, putting his newer material upfront like that works well, I think.
absolutly! We can't get all more variation and songs performed nearly every tour. Jet is a real good rocker but there are other and Save us is one of the newer one. Setlist of yankeefan7 is the right direction for a better balanced and still full of beatle songs setlist. In my opinion it's also time to go for the tributes and helter skelter. So glad to see u here could be a nice addition for that. What's u opinion for road as opener? My wife and me thought about it and we believe it could works if its arranged like venus&mars/rockshow 1976. The stage need to be nearly dark at the begining of the show...
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I love "Road," but I'd rather see that as an opener to a Fireman concert.
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I have not liked the casual way he comes out on stage anymore - just coming out with the band waving. Bring back the big build up !! Paul singing Venus/Mars in darkness,76 tour The video leading up to the countdown...omg that was so awesome & the hofner in darkness was great. I miss those openings,I wish he'd go back to something like that
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bentleysmama:
I have not liked the casual way he comes out on stage anymore - just coming out with the band waving. Bring back the big build up !! Paul singing Venus/Mars in darkness,76 tour The video leading up to the countdown...omg that was so awesome & the hofner in darkness was great. I miss those openings,I wish he'd go back to something like that
Yes, totally dark stadium for Venus & Mars. Not like 2010..he doesn't have your attention.
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mr.flamingpie:
yankeefan7:
favoritething:
Yes, in the Rolling Stone interview he does address the "controversy" of his setlist, and what it includes (I've edited the Q&A a bit). After talking about a Bill Haley concert that was mostly someone else, and a Little Richard album where he was only on one track, the conversation turns to: Q: Do you ever feel like ... just tearing up the set list and playing whatever you like? A: Yeah, we occasionally do that, just for the fun of it. But it's not like I'm Phish, you know. Certainly, there's a load of people in the audience that would want us to do that, but I have to be a bit conscious that there's a load of people that wouldn't.... I don't want to cheat those people. So we mix it up occasionally, but mainly we hope we're pleasing the various facets in the audience. People say, "But why do you care, man?" Someone like Bob Dylan doesn't necessarily care ? he'll just do what he wants, and that's cool. I say, "Yeah, but I have these memories that haunt me of these concerts that I went to and these records that I bought." I don't want those people in my audience thinking, "Hey, we came for big hits, and you played a bunch of s**t." This is his mindset, and we might as well accept it or just not go to his shows. I'm sorry, it's always a good time, even though my eyes do glaze over a bit when "Band On The Run" starts AGAIN, or the "Hey Jude" singalong starts, but hey, the vast majority of the audience loves it, so that's his barometer. He couldn't do the kind of setlist WE would want except maybe in a "Chaos and Creation at Abbey Road" kind of setting.... or if his career came to the point where only WE are buying the tickets (yeah, like that's gonna happen!).
The problem is that Mr. McCartney does not understand his "diehard" fans. We understand he needs to play the hits but isn't 20 Beatle songs enough instead of 24 -25 out of 37 songs. Add 3-5 Wings songs and you are still giving fans close to 2 hrs of hits. All we are asking is the remaining 12 songs that it reflects your entire solo career and if it is something you have never done live even better. I am sure Mr. McCartney is skilled enough to arrange a set list so the Beatle fans do not have to put up with more than two dreaded solo songs in a row - lol. At this point, Mr. McCartney is plugging "New". Mix it up and do "Appreciate", "I Can Bet" and "Early Days" every other night instead of "Queenie Eye", "New" and "Save Us". Play songs you have never done live before like "Take It Away" from TOW which was a top 20 single. "Little Willow" from FP would be a great addition to acoustic part of show. "Promise To You Girl" from CHAOS would be neat and it has nice little guitar riff. I think "Dance Til We're High" is a great song form EA and has not been done on tour. Revisit MAF album and perform "House of Wax" or "That Was Me". FITD was a great album no song has been done live from it in 25 yrs. Would be real cool to hear "Figure OF Eight" or "My Brave Face" again as an example. DR has great rocker called "About You" that was not done, would be great in concert IMO. The above paragraph is all that it would take for me to see Mr. McCartney again live. I know he will not do it but it is a shame because people like myself think he has had a wonderful career writing great songs. It is a shame that thousands of people will never hear this great music but if Mr. McCartney does not want to challenge his audience and himself a little bit I guess it is time to "Let It Be' - LOL !!
I absolutly think like this two comments. The "bulky" setlist scheme (incl. all his comments between the songs) since 2002 (of nearly 2/3 standard fab4 and wings songs) is like a wastage of pauls creativity. It's really a sad fact, that we have to pay for soundcheck to get songs like sun is shining or ram on. I really wish that Paul reflects comments particularly from this thread. We're his strongest fans and we only ask for only some of his solo juwels, songs like quoted or like the world tonight, put it there, ever present past... and a little bit more variations.
Well, sure, all of US would love it if he did that. But I think he's had too many experiences of playing an unfamiliar song and seeing people stream up the aisles to the bathrooms and the concessions. He clearly does not want people to tell their friends, "Oh, he did a lot of weird songs I'd never heard before." He'd much rather hear them tell their friends, "It was like a party! I knew almost every song, and everyone was swaying and singing along the whole time." I mean, really, this is Paul McCartney, the guy who gazed up at the Cavern ceiling meaningfully while singing "Till There Was You" (with John clowning in the background). He has a long, long history of being a people-pleaser in live concerts, and he's not about to change now. He says very clearly in the interview that he gains energy from the audience, and he'll only get that energy from them if he's playing songs that everyone knows and reacts to.
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How many of those same people really knew "Mrs. Vandebilt" before 2008? It has become a highlight of the show. It's worth it to blow the dust off the neglected gems.
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audi:
How many of those same people really knew "Mrs. Vandebilt" before 2008? It has become a highlight of the show. It's worth it to blow the dust off the neglected gems.
Yes, but selectively. And millions of people knew the "Band On The Run" album inside out. "That Was Me" is a catchy song, but if he played it, people would all go "huh?" He COULD possibly pull out "With A Little Luck," maybe, or one or two others, but much as I adore "Take It Away," it would probably be a dud (unless maybe he brought in live horns, which he apparently will never do again, curse him!).
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favoritething:
mr.flamingpie:
yankeefan7:
favoritething:
Yes, in the Rolling Stone interview he does address the "controversy" of his setlist, and what it includes (I've edited the Q&A a bit). After talking about a Bill Haley concert that was mostly someone else, and a Little Richard album where he was only on one track, the conversation turns to: Q: Do you ever feel like ... just tearing up the set list and playing whatever you like? A: Yeah, we occasionally do that, just for the fun of it. But it's not like I'm Phish, you know. Certainly, there's a load of people in the audience that would want us to do that, but I have to be a bit conscious that there's a load of people that wouldn't.... I don't want to cheat those people. So we mix it up occasionally, but mainly we hope we're pleasing the various facets in the audience. People say, "But why do you care, man?" Someone like Bob Dylan doesn't necessarily care ? he'll just do what he wants, and that's cool. I say, "Yeah, but I have these memories that haunt me of these concerts that I went to and these records that I bought." I don't want those people in my audience thinking, "Hey, we came for big hits, and you played a bunch of s**t." This is his mindset, and we might as well accept it or just not go to his shows. I'm sorry, it's always a good time, even though my eyes do glaze over a bit when "Band On The Run" starts AGAIN, or the "Hey Jude" singalong starts, but hey, the vast majority of the audience loves it, so that's his barometer. He couldn't do the kind of setlist WE would want except maybe in a "Chaos and Creation at Abbey Road" kind of setting.... or if his career came to the point where only WE are buying the tickets (yeah, like that's gonna happen!).
The problem is that Mr. McCartney does not understand his "diehard" fans. We understand he needs to play the hits but isn't 20 Beatle songs enough instead of 24 -25 out of 37 songs. Add 3-5 Wings songs and you are still giving fans close to 2 hrs of hits. All we are asking is the remaining 12 songs that it reflects your entire solo career and if it is something you have never done live even better. I am sure Mr. McCartney is skilled enough to arrange a set list so the Beatle fans do not have to put up with more than two dreaded solo songs in a row - lol. At this point, Mr. McCartney is plugging "New". Mix it up and do "Appreciate", "I Can Bet" and "Early Days" every other night instead of "Queenie Eye", "New" and "Save Us". Play songs you have never done live before like "Take It Away" from TOW which was a top 20 single. "Little Willow" from FP would be a great addition to acoustic part of show. "Promise To You Girl" from CHAOS would be neat and it has nice little guitar riff. I think "Dance Til We're High" is a great song form EA and has not been done on tour. Revisit MAF album and perform "House of Wax" or "That Was Me". FITD was a great album no song has been done live from it in 25 yrs. Would be real cool to hear "Figure OF Eight" or "My Brave Face" again as an example. DR has great rocker called "About You" that was not done, would be great in concert IMO. The above paragraph is all that it would take for me to see Mr. McCartney again live. I know he will not do it but it is a shame because people like myself think he has had a wonderful career writing great songs. It is a shame that thousands of people will never hear this great music but if Mr. McCartney does not want to challenge his audience and himself a little bit I guess it is time to "Let It Be' - LOL !!
I absolutly think like this two comments. The "bulky" setlist scheme (incl. all his comments between the songs) since 2002 (of nearly 2/3 standard fab4 and wings songs) is like a wastage of pauls creativity. It's really a sad fact, that we have to pay for soundcheck to get songs like sun is shining or ram on. I really wish that Paul reflects comments particularly from this thread. We're his strongest fans and we only ask for only some of his solo juwels, songs like quoted or like the world tonight, put it there, ever present past... and a little bit more variations.
Well, sure, all of US would love it if he did that. But I think he's had too many experiences of playing an unfamiliar song and seeing people stream up the aisles to the bathrooms and the concessions. He clearly does not want people to tell their friends, "Oh, he did a lot of weird songs I'd never heard before." He'd much rather hear them tell their friends, "It was like a party! I knew almost every song, and everyone was swaying and singing along the whole time." I mean, really, this is Paul McCartney, the guy who gazed up at the Cavern ceiling meaningfully while singing "Till There Was You" (with John clowning in the background). He has a long, long history of being a people-pleaser in live concerts, and he's not about to change now. He says very clearly in the interview that he gains energy from the audience, and he'll only get that energy from them if he's playing songs that everyone knows and reacts to.
That was not the case in 1976. He was a modern, edgy current artist promoting his own material, throwing in five Beatle songs as a tip of the hat to his past. It could be argued 1976 was the only time he has toured the USA as Paul McCartney the SOLO ARTIST. 1989-1990 was a "come back" tour which started the Beatles-heavy set lists, and he has not looked back. And what's wrong with that? I guess hardcore fans can maybe decide to start voting with their pocket book, by no longer attending concerts or buying new CDs. But at this point, I don't see him doing a "solo artist" tour. It is mainly a celebration of Beatles hits and even Beatles misses.
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"Rockshow" could segue into "Take It Away" just as easily as "Jet." 'Twould totally work.
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audi:
"Rockshow" could segue into "Take It Away" just as easily as "Jet." 'Twould totally work.
Maybe. Except it's never going to happen!
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Sadly, I believe that if hardcore fans just stayed home, he would still have a very profitable tour. In different venues online, I see people all the time who say they're devoted fans who clearly don't know anything beyond what he plays live already. OK, maybe "Take It Away" would work in the "Flaming Pie" spot in the set.
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I'll take it.
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And hey, R Martinez, you're right, he was absolutely an edgy, current artist in 1976, but then he let that reputation slip away over the next several years (with some of the single choices), to the point where his audience was no longer composed mainly of people who want to be challenged on a nightly basis, just entertained.
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"SNAP!"
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A little encouragement:
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audi:
A little encouragement:
Haha, yes, but choose your venue well! He'd bring down the house with "Pipes Of Peace" in the UK, but not in Lubbock!