Paul, Come To Australia
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audi:
If he doesn't, Macca should at least come out and state what his beef with Australia is. Because it's starting to look like there is one.
I don't think he has a beef with Australia. I'm not sure why he is reluctant to tour here but I'm guessing money is the main obstacle. And that will also be the reason why a promoter here can't get a deal done. He wants a price and they want to pay less. Two sides to every story. Personally, I'm over it. If he comes, he comes. If not.....
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John and George were right.
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audi:
If he doesn't, Macca should at least come out and state what his beef with Australia is. Because it's starting to look like there is one.
Maybe because our beef is the best in the world?
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I find it inconceivable that Paul could not tour here and make money. We're not that far away! Surely. And he'd sell out all sorts of stadiums. Surely. I remain dumbfounded by it all.
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moptops:
audi:
If he doesn't, Macca should at least come out and state what his beef with Australia is. Because it's starting to look like there is one.
Maybe because our beef is the best in the world?
Ha!... moptops, do you happen to recall who the promoter was in the aborted tour at Colonial Stadium? (now I think that was the name of the stadium then, back in 2002?) My memory is jaded. I might be wrong with some of those facts. But we have had at least one dodgy promoter doing the rounds that might've put him off.
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toris:
I find it inconceivable that Paul could not tour here and make money. We're not that far away! Surely. And he'd sell out all sorts of stadiums. Surely. I remain dumbfounded by it all.
It'd simply be a case of he doesn't think the promoter offers are good enough and the promoters aren't willing to meet his asking price. Personally, I don't think he could sell out stadiums here anymore. He couldn't shift enough tickets for the 2002 show at the Dockland Stadium in Melbourne. If he played 15,000 seat arenas like the Rod Laver Arena, then yes he'd sell a few shows out. His presence in this country has been greatly diminished in the last 20 years (through no personal appearances and lack of airplay of his songs). He'd have a core group of Beatle/Wings fans but not in any great numbers. And that may also be a part of the no show problem.
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toris:
moptops:
audi:
If he doesn't, Macca should at least come out and state what his beef with Australia is. Because it's starting to look like there is one.
Maybe because our beef is the best in the world?
Ha!... moptops, do you happen to recall who the promoter was in the aborted tour at Colonial Stadium? (now I think that was the name of the stadium then, back in 2002?) My memory is jaded. I might be wrong with some of those facts. But we have had at least one dodgy promoter doing the rounds that might've put him off.
Bracks state government and Paul Dainty?
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moptops:
toris:
moptops:
audi:
If he doesn't, Macca should at least come out and state what his beef with Australia is. Because it's starting to look like there is one.
Maybe because our beef is the best in the world?
Ha!... moptops, do you happen to recall who the promoter was in the aborted tour at Colonial Stadium? (now I think that was the name of the stadium then, back in 2002?) My memory is jaded. I might be wrong with some of those facts. But we have had at least one dodgy promoter doing the rounds that might've put him off.
Bracks state government and Paul Dainty?
Can't remember the promoter..... but I do know that Rove's brother has a history of declaring bankruptcy and then remerging.... repeatedly.... that being said, I don't know if he was involved.... I'm just trying to put my fingers across any reason why Paul has such an aversion to coming back here again.... it just doesn't make sense. Looks like my two gigs at the best stadium in the world might have to do me.
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graystoke:
toris:
I find it inconceivable that Paul could not tour here and make money. We're not that far away! Surely. And he'd sell out all sorts of stadiums. Surely. I remain dumbfounded by it all.
It'd simply be a case of he doesn't think the promoter offers are good enough and the promoters aren't willing to meet his asking price. Personally, I don't think he could sell out stadiums here anymore. He couldn't shift enough tickets for the 2002 show at the Dockland Stadium in Melbourne. If he played 15,000 seat arenas like the Rod Laver Arena, then yes he'd sell a few shows out. His presence in this country has been greatly diminished in the last 20 years (through no personal appearances and lack of airplay of his songs). He'd have a core group of Beatle/Wings fans but not in any great numbers. And that may also be a part of the no show problem.
Yeah, that whole Docklands Stadium concert was nixed pretty quickly. I still remember it was promoted hugely by Foxtel (got the magazine somewhere).... was built up to be huge... I still don't understand why that didn't sell.... I'm not sure it was given a bigger enough chance..... it was all cancelled pretty quick... yes, he cited Bali.... which I thought didn't make sense.... Springsteen, Bon Jovi, U2 all do big business here.... I still think McCartney would be a huge drawcard. And the flippant Australian media might jump all over it for once. But you are right. He hasn't helped himself by steering so far away for so long.
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That being said, he is a Beatle. And that should be more than enough for the public to get off its arse and buy tickets in droves.
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For what its worth "Only One" was a top 10 in Australia and New Zealand it has been a long time since and could stir some curiosity and media attention down under
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graystoke:
toris:
I find it inconceivable that Paul could not tour here and make money. We're not that far away! Surely. And he'd sell out all sorts of stadiums. Surely. I remain dumbfounded by it all.
It'd simply be a case of he doesn't think the promoter offers are good enough and the promoters aren't willing to meet his asking price. Personally, I don't think he could sell out stadiums here anymore. He couldn't shift enough tickets for the 2002 show at the Dockland Stadium in Melbourne. If he played 15,000 seat arenas like the Rod Laver Arena, then yes he'd sell a few shows out. His presence in this country has been greatly diminished in the last 20 years (through no personal appearances and lack of airplay of his songs). He'd have a core group of Beatle/Wings fans but not in any great numbers. And that may also be a part of the no show problem.
I think New Mexico has the same issue. Yes, there are hard core Beatle/McCartney fans. But his lack of attention here has led, I am afraid, to a real indifference. And as you said, I think promoters here have made offers, but they just are not enough money. Why? Production costs are often cited. Why? Are the lights he uses so much better than the ones used here by Elton John, Billy Joel, Tom Petty, and the Rolling Stones? Are the speakers for the PA system so much better or of superior quality? The Eagles played our arena about 14 years ago to 11,000 people and grossed over $1 million for the show. I guess $1 million for two hours of playing music just is not enough for Sir Paul. Which baffles me. I do understand the argument of economics. Why play Albuquerque for $1 million when you can do the same show in Phoenix or Denver for $2 million? What I don't get is he will play Lubbock but not Albuquerque. You will never convince me Lubbock can support a McCartney show better than Albuquerque. Ever. But Australia and Albuquerque have to do without. If the sentiment is "I am a capitalist, so I must go to Japan but not Australia, Phoenix but not Albuquerque" then ok. I get it. But if the argument is "I am a world class rocker who plays for the people" then I do not understand. Which one is it? I think we know the answer.
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graystoke:
toris:
I find it inconceivable that Paul could not tour here and make money. We're not that far away! Surely. And he'd sell out all sorts of stadiums. Surely. I remain dumbfounded by it all.
It'd simply be a case of he doesn't think the promoter offers are good enough and the promoters aren't willing to meet his asking price. Personally, I don't think he could sell out stadiums here anymore. He couldn't shift enough tickets for the 2002 show at the Dockland Stadium in Melbourne. If he played 15,000 seat arenas like the Rod Laver Arena, then yes he'd sell a few shows out. His presence in this country has been greatly diminished in the last 20 years (through no personal appearances and lack of airplay of his songs). He'd have a core group of Beatle/Wings fans but not in any great numbers. And that may also be a part of the no show problem.
I have to disagree with you on that last statement. I really believe if Paul announced shows in Australia, they would sell out. The long absence would soon be forgotten once the dates have been announced...
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audi:
javilu:
moptops:
I can't even describe how I feel. Better lay off this board for a few days. Seriously.
Take a deep breath my friend, and come to Argentina where Paul is rumored to perform later this year
You do realize that this is a back-handed act of consolation, do you?
What does back handed mean? On the other hand I think it's not that hard to understand: Australian promoter shows the required amount, Paul goes. No money, no Paul. I don't get you people going "oh Paul hates Australia, yada yada". He runs a business and there is people that arranges the tours on his behalf. Those people have Paul go where promoters pay the fee. I don't think there's a hidden mystery on the Australia (and other countries) absence. Paul was to perform in Argentina in 2014 but promoter fail to come up with the required advanced cash so concert was moved to Uruguay. That's life.
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javilu:
audi:
javilu:
moptops:
I can't even describe how I feel. Better lay off this board for a few days. Seriously.
Take a deep breath my friend, and come to Argentina where Paul is rumored to perform later this year
You do realize that this is a back-handed act of consolation, do you?
What does back handed mean? On the other hand I think it's not that hard to understand: Australian promoter shows the required amount, Paul goes. No money, no Paul. I don't get you people going "oh Paul hates Australia, yada yada". He runs a business and there is people that arranges the tours on his behalf. Those people have Paul go where promoters pay the fee. I don't think there's a hidden mystery on the Australia (and other countries) absence. Paul was to perform in Argentina in 2014 but promoter fail to come up with the required advanced cash so concert was moved to Uruguay. That's life.
I could accept your explanation if NO ONE ever played in Australia. But other big acts, like the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen, perform there all the time. They make money. They sell tickets. There is no hidden mystery.
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Maybe those acts are just more popular in Australia than Paul? Whether people like it or not, North & South America have proven to be his biggest markets for the past few years/decade. He wants quick sell-outs and young enthusiastic audiences, so North & South America it is. I'm guessing Japan is like that as well, dunno. Not to mention that when people like the Stones and Springsteen tour Australia and NZ they stay for about a month to make it worth it. Paul can't do that. Spending 24 hours on an airplane each way and jumping all those time zones just for two weeks apparently isn't really worth it, especially if he can't sell out big stadiums. If Paul still did the "big tours" like most other artists he would probably make a stop down there, but not for just a couple of weeks.
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When Wings performed in Australia in 1975 it was for only two weeks...Nov. 1 - 14...covering 5 cities and 9 shows.
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To fly from London to Tokyo is about 12 hours. From London to Rio de Janeiro is about the same. From London to Sydney is about 21 hours. Could this be a factor? The amount of time it takes to get there?
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RMartinez:
To fly from London to Tokyo is about 12 hours. From London to Rio de Janeiro is about the same. From London to Sydney is about 21 hours. Could this be a factor? The amount of time it takes to get there?
Not if he had an Australian tour leg after playing Japan. I don't think travel is the issue.
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RMartinez:
I could accept your explanation if NO ONE ever played in Australia. But other big acts, like the Rolling Stones and Bruce Springsteen, perform there all the time. They make money. They sell tickets. There is no hidden mystery.
Spot on. That's why I conclude it comes down to Paul's asking price being higher than those acts, to the point where promoters here feel they can't make enough of a profit on the deal so they walk away.