LENNON/McCARTNEY....McCARTNEY/LENNON
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Hendrix Ibsen:
Is it a difficult thing for McCartney to switch the credits? I don't know anything about things like this. But he wrote the song(s) and if he feels like it... I guess that's more important than anyone else's opinion about it.
Yoko wouldn't let him put McCartney/Lennon on "Yesterday" let alone just McCartney! (and I think that was pretty crappy of her!)
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Nancy R:
Hendrix Ibsen:
Is it a difficult thing for McCartney to switch the credits? I don't know anything about things like this. But he wrote the song(s) and if he feels like it... I guess that's more important than anyone else's opinion about it.
Yoko wouldn't let him put McCartney/Lennon on "Yesterday" let alone just McCartney! (and I think that was pretty crappy of her!)
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Nancy R:
I wonder how you would feel if you were one of the greatest songwriters of our time and you wrote a song by yourself that was covered by over 2000 other artists and it was credited with your songwriting partner's name first along with a photo of him instead of you!
I'd chuckle and wistfully remember a time when people knew who wrote the songs and what the album covers looked like.
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Nancy R:
jimmix:
Hendrix Ibsen:
Is it a difficult thing for McCartney to switch the credits? I don't know anything about things like this. But he wrote the song(s) and if he feels like it... I guess that's more important than anyone else's opinion about it.
I don't think McCartney has a problem with who gets top credit or first credit or top billing in a songwriting team. I mean his new songwriting partner is Kanye West and his last name begins with the letter "W."
Did Kanye get his name listed first?
Nope, second.
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Nancy R:
Hendrix Ibsen:
Is it a difficult thing for McCartney to switch the credits? I don't know anything about things like this. But he wrote the song(s) and if he feels like it... I guess that's more important than anyone else's opinion about it.
Yoko wouldn't let him put McCartney/Lennon on "Yesterday" let alone just McCartney! (and I think that was pretty crappy of her!)
A deal is a deal. Paul knows that.
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I love all of the comments in this thread!!!
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Nancy R:
moptops:
McCartney at his insecure worst yet again.
Come on! It was the photo of John that probably set him off the most. He has every right to be upset.
Not really....not at this point. Just about everyone....and I do mean everyone....knows that's a Paul McCartney song. That won't change; it won't. It will be part of history...the part about Paul waking up with the tune in his head...asking the others if they had heard it before so he could be sure it wasn't already a song/melody ....and calling it 'scrambled eggs' until he came up with the lyrics and the title. None of that will change. It just won't. Paul can give it a rest........
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jimmix:
Nancy R:
Hendrix Ibsen:
Is it a difficult thing for McCartney to switch the credits? I don't know anything about things like this. But he wrote the song(s) and if he feels like it... I guess that's more important than anyone else's opinion about it.
Yoko wouldn't let him put McCartney/Lennon on "Yesterday" let alone just McCartney! (and I think that was pretty crappy of her!)
A deal is a deal. Paul knows that.
On that same note, Paul should have never agreed to remove his name from the song Give peace a chance. It was originally Lennon McCartney credited and then Paul agreed to take his name off of it a few years ago. Maybe he did that in hopes Yoko would be more flexible with the naming of Beatles songs going forward but it seems to have backfired fof Paul.
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I understand Paul's frustrations, but at this point I think its too late to do anything. They made an agreement in the sixties and changing it now would just look petty. Also, Paul should realize that his name is associated with John's songs. I forget who did it but I believe there was research done in terms of the cumulative credits between John and Paul over the entire Beatles catalog. And John came out ahead by about 10 songs. So in that sense, Paul benefits from having joint credits. I like to think of it in this way. Even though they might have wrote some songs separately, they were at least inspired in some way by the other person. In this way the joint credit makes sense.
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I just posted this in the Esquire thread...relates to both. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10207316731221599&id=1384963804
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oobu24:
I just posted this in the Esquire thread...relates to both. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10207316731221599&id=1384963804
How do you read the whole article? I clicked on it and was able to read part, but then just got black page when I clicked on the arrow to continue. ETA: I figured it out, but the other part is too blurry to read!
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Nancy R:
oobu24:
I just posted this in the Esquire thread...relates to both. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10207316731221599&id=1384963804
How do you read the whole article? I clicked on it and was able to read part, but then just got black page when I clicked on the arrow to continue.
Click on the first image & then I just kept clicking on the right arrow & the pages changed. HTH
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After reading that Bill Harry article I must say I don't know how Paul can be so civil in his dealings with Yoko at least in public. The sh*t she has thrown at him. The Salieri to Mozart jibe really takes the cake coming from a talentless, screeching banshee like her. She seems to continually thwart Paul in any reasonable request. I don't understand how Paul could of let Northern Songs slip through his fingers by being so considerate of her. When she didn't agree to the 20 million pounds price he should of just cut her out and gone on alone and purchased them. Surely he had the 20 million or could of easily borrowed it. I thought Paul had pretty savvy business sense or got good advice. Something about that whole saga of the ownership of the ATV/Northern Songs catalogue including how Jackson got them still has me puzzled. It just doesn't gel.
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^ I agree that he should have just bought it himself.
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Anyone with a Mc name should always go first.
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oobu24:
Nancy R:
oobu24:
I just posted this in the Esquire thread...relates to both. https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=10207316731221599&id=1384963804
How do you read the whole article? I clicked on it and was able to read part, but then just got black page when I clicked on the arrow to continue.
Click on the first image & then I just kept clicking on the right arrow & the pages changed. HTH
Thanks! I got it!
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oobu24:
^ I agree that he should have just bought it himself.
Me too!
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JoeySmith:
I understand Paul's frustrations, but at this point I think its too late to do anything. They made an agreement in the sixties and changing it now would just look petty. Also, Paul should realize that his name is associated with John's songs. I forget who did it but I believe there was research done in terms of the cumulative credits between John and Paul over the entire Beatles catalog. And John came out ahead by about 10 songs. So in that sense, Paul benefits from having joint credits. I like to think of it in this way. Even though they might have wrote some songs separately, they were at least inspired in some way by the other person. In this way the joint credit makes sense.
Totally. As well as being inspired by each other, they had a bit of a competition going on which brought out the best in each of them.
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Apollo C. Vermouth:
After reading that Bill Harry article I must say I don't know how Paul can be so civil in his dealings with Yoko at least in public. The sh*t she has thrown at him. The Salieri to Mozart jibe really takes the cake coming from a talentless, screeching banshee like her. She seems to continually thwart Paul in any reasonable request. I don't understand how Paul could of let Northern Songs slip through his fingers by being so considerate of her. When she didn't agree to the 20 million pounds price he should of just cut her out and gone on alone and purchased them. Surely he had the 20 million or could of easily borrowed it. I thought Paul had pretty savvy business sense or got good advice. Something about that whole saga of the ownership of the ATV/Northern Songs catalogue including how Jackson got them still has me puzzled. It just doesn't gel.
Does anyone know what the value of the catalogue is today? 20 million pounds in 1984?? That's nothing. From a pure investment perspective, it was a horrible decision, never mind losing control of your songs. Since Paul had made a lot of money by investing in music property throughout the 70s (by taking the advice of his father-in-law), my guess is he was worried of the "backlash" he might have received by doing it alone. That's the only explanation I could think of.
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JoeySmith:
Apollo C. Vermouth:
After reading that Bill Harry article I must say I don't know how Paul can be so civil in his dealings with Yoko at least in public. The sh*t she has thrown at him. The Salieri to Mozart jibe really takes the cake coming from a talentless, screeching banshee like her. She seems to continually thwart Paul in any reasonable request. I don't understand how Paul could of let Northern Songs slip through his fingers by being so considerate of her. When she didn't agree to the 20 million pounds price he should of just cut her out and gone on alone and purchased them. Surely he had the 20 million or could of easily borrowed it. I thought Paul had pretty savvy business sense or got good advice. Something about that whole saga of the ownership of the ATV/Northern Songs catalogue including how Jackson got them still has me puzzled. It just doesn't gel.
Does anyone know what the value of the catalogue is today? 20 million pounds in 1984?? That's nothing. From a pure investment perspective, it was a horrible decision, never mind losing control of your songs. Since Paul had made a lot of money by investing in music property throughout the 70s (by taking the advice of his father-in-law), my guess is he was worried of the "backlash" he might have received by doing it alone. That's the only explanation I could think of.
I thought what happened was because of Yoko delaying, that's when Michael Jackson scooped it up.