2017 Setlist Speculation Thread
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Bruce M.:
B J Conlee:
For everyone here that are both Beatle and Paul McCartney fans, the new Sirius "All Beatles" channel (channel eighteen) is absolutely terrific. Discussions and descriptions are over in the "Yesterday Section" of this Site. What I love is the diversity of the playlist. Obviously they play the Beatle hits but they are playing great deep cuts, rare cuts, Solo songs from all 4, live cuts etc. I have to admit that for radio they are playing far beyond the hits and it has surprised me. I was just entering and parking at Walmart to pick up some needed things and all of a sudden, Sirius played one of my all time "deep" Beatle tracks. In fact it was unreleased (except for a Billy J Kramer cover) until Live at the BBC. The song is "I'll Be On My Way" an early Macca song that he and John gave away. Hearing this song just made me realize how great of an addition it would be to Paul's Setlist sandwiched right between In Spite of All the Danger and Love Me Do. It would not only be a surprise for the audience but it is a song that again Paul can easily sing (along with his Band). As I have recently said, the ease and ability to sing it is crucial at this time of Paul's Career. This is the lack of imagination that is shown with this setlist. Give the real fans something to look forward to with this 2nd leg of the One on One tour. It fits perfectly with the acoustic portion of the show and Paul can easily sing it. Why is he fooling around trying to do 4-5 Seconds when he sings it badly. As you know, I'm not one who would be pushing Paul to do another Beatle song but in this case I would love it since it has never been sung live before. And I can hear "first timers' saying as they are leave the arena...I don't remember that song but I love it. It is such a happy, classic Macca melody. I defy any real fan who can read the lyric below without singing it. The Sun is fading Away That's the end of the Day As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way Just one kiss and I'll go Don't hide the tears that don't show As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way To where the winds don't blow And golden rivers flow This way will I go They were right, I was wrong True love didn't last long As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on My Way, hey
I've always thought this was a pretty wretched song, and the Junelight/moonlight lyrics are as cringeworthy as the Beatles ever got.
To each their own - lol. As for lyrics, the Beatles have done more cringe worthy than that one lyric. Singing #9 for an entire song, "1,2,3,4,5,6,7 all good children go to heaven" , the repetitive "Why don't we do it in the road" and the entire "I Am The Walrus" are worse IMO.
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B J Conlee:
Yankeefan, I hear you about "On the Wings of a Nightingale"...great song and it would be yet another terrific possible addition (and a song he could sing) for the "true" fans. We're getting right back to the "challenging his audience" idea vs. playing the crowdpleasers. I'm just going to wait till the Miami show. If the setlist stays the same, my decision will be made for me. Do you have Sirius and have you heard the new Beatles 24/7 channel.
No, have thought about getting Sirius but never did it. This new station may finally get me to try it.
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Bruce M.:
B J Conlee:
For everyone here that are both Beatle and Paul McCartney fans, the new Sirius "All Beatles" channel (channel eighteen) is absolutely terrific. Discussions and descriptions are over in the "Yesterday Section" of this Site. What I love is the diversity of the playlist. Obviously they play the Beatle hits but they are playing great deep cuts, rare cuts, Solo songs from all 4, live cuts etc. I have to admit that for radio they are playing far beyond the hits and it has surprised me. I was just entering and parking at Walmart to pick up some needed things and all of a sudden, Sirius played one of my all time "deep" Beatle tracks. In fact it was unreleased (except for a Billy J Kramer cover) until Live at the BBC. The song is "I'll Be On My Way" an early Macca song that he and John gave away. Hearing this song just made me realize how great of an addition it would be to Paul's Setlist sandwiched right between In Spite of All the Danger and Love Me Do. It would not only be a surprise for the audience but it is a song that again Paul can easily sing (along with his Band). As I have recently said, the ease and ability to sing it is crucial at this time of Paul's Career. This is the lack of imagination that is shown with this setlist. Give the real fans something to look forward to with this 2nd leg of the One on One tour. It fits perfectly with the acoustic portion of the show and Paul can easily sing it. Why is he fooling around trying to do 4-5 Seconds when he sings it badly. As you know, I'm not one who would be pushing Paul to do another Beatle song but in this case I would love it since it has never been sung live before. And I can hear "first timers' saying as they are leave the arena...I don't remember that song but I love it. It is such a happy, classic Macca melody. I defy any real fan who can read the lyric below without singing it. The Sun is fading Away That's the end of the Day As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way Just one kiss and I'll go Don't hide the tears that don't show As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way To where the winds don't blow And golden rivers flow This way will I go They were right, I was wrong True love didn't last long As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on My Way, hey
I've always thought this was a pretty wretched song, and the Junelight/moonlight lyrics are as cringeworthy as the Beatles ever got.
_______________________________________________________ Bruce, We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Over the years we have mostly agreed on Paul's songs and music whether it is Beatle Paul, Wings or his Solo stuff. In fact, we are often on the same page whether it is songs from Chaos, MAF, Flaming Pie or Revolver for that matter. But music is subjective so while a specific song might be magical to one, it can be the opposite to another. I understand that and respect your opinion. I just happen to love this song. Now if it was overplayed I would obviously get tired of it rather quickly. But it is the happy melody especially that I like. The first time I heard it, I immediately thought it was a Buddy Holly song. Then researching I found it to be a very early Macca song. As far as the lyrics, yes they can be viewed as sappy and cheesy. But I also look at the age when Paul wrote the song and the innocence/naivety of "first love" that was behind it. After all, Paul was as a teenager and we were all pretty naive in retrospect. I know that I was. Paul has always been a melody guy first (maybe the greatest over the last 50 years) so I don't take the lyrics in many of his songs (especially early ones) so literal. I happen to like all the eras of Paul's writing. This happens to be teenage Paul but the melodies (not lyrics) are still fantastic. I'll Be on My Way reminds me a lot of I'll Follow the Sun which I also love. I also liked World Without Love, the song he gave away to Peter and Gordon. Sappy lyrics yes ("Please lock me away") but it became a #1 US hit under the pseudo writer's name of Bernard Webb. People loved it not knowing that it was written by Paul McCartney. Again, it was the genius of the melody. Now we have Sgt. Pepper being revisited and the critics will start railing against "When I'm 64". Another song that I really like. One thing that I love about Paul's writing is that he is all over the place and so diverse. At a time when Paul and John were the most famous people in the world and it was all about "Youth", Paul writes a song about becoming a grandparent. Genius as far as I am concerned.
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B J Conlee:
Bruce M.:
B J Conlee:
For everyone here that are both Beatle and Paul McCartney fans, the new Sirius "All Beatles" channel (channel eighteen) is absolutely terrific. Discussions and descriptions are over in the "Yesterday Section" of this Site. What I love is the diversity of the playlist. Obviously they play the Beatle hits but they are playing great deep cuts, rare cuts, Solo songs from all 4, live cuts etc. I have to admit that for radio they are playing far beyond the hits and it has surprised me. I was just entering and parking at Walmart to pick up some needed things and all of a sudden, Sirius played one of my all time "deep" Beatle tracks. In fact it was unreleased (except for a Billy J Kramer cover) until Live at the BBC. The song is "I'll Be On My Way" an early Macca song that he and John gave away. Hearing this song just made me realize how great of an addition it would be to Paul's Setlist sandwiched right between In Spite of All the Danger and Love Me Do. It would not only be a surprise for the audience but it is a song that again Paul can easily sing (along with his Band). As I have recently said, the ease and ability to sing it is crucial at this time of Paul's Career. This is the lack of imagination that is shown with this setlist. Give the real fans something to look forward to with this 2nd leg of the One on One tour. It fits perfectly with the acoustic portion of the show and Paul can easily sing it. Why is he fooling around trying to do 4-5 Seconds when he sings it badly. As you know, I'm not one who would be pushing Paul to do another Beatle song but in this case I would love it since it has never been sung live before. And I can hear "first timers' saying as they are leave the arena...I don't remember that song but I love it. It is such a happy, classic Macca melody. I defy any real fan who can read the lyric below without singing it. The Sun is fading Away That's the end of the Day As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way Just one kiss and I'll go Don't hide the tears that don't show As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on my Way To where the winds don't blow And golden rivers flow This way will I go They were right, I was wrong True love didn't last long As the June light turns to moonlight I'll be on My Way, hey
I've always thought this was a pretty wretched song, and the Junelight/moonlight lyrics are as cringeworthy as the Beatles ever got.
_______________________________________________________ Bruce, We will have to agree to disagree on this one. Over the years we have mostly agreed on Paul's songs and music whether it is Beatle Paul, Wings or his Solo stuff. In fact, we are often on the same page whether it is songs from Chaos, MAF, Flaming Pie or Revolver for that matter. But music is subjective so while a specific song might be magical to one, it can be the opposite to another. I understand that and respect your opinion. I just happen to love this song. Now if it was overplayed I would obviously get tired of it rather quickly. But it is the happy melody especially that I like. The first time I heard it, I immediately thought it was a Buddy Holly song. Then researching I found it to be a very early Macca song. As far as the lyrics, yes they can be viewed as sappy and cheesy. But I also look at the age when Paul wrote the song and the innocence/naivety of "first love" that was behind it. After all, Paul was as a teenager and we were all pretty naive in retrospect. I know that I was. Paul has always been a melody guy first (maybe the greatest over the last 50 years) so I don't take the lyrics in many of his songs (especially early ones) so literal. I happen to like all the eras of Paul's writing. This happens to be teenage Paul but the melodies (not lyrics) are still fantastic. I'll Be on My Way reminds me a lot of I'll Follow the Sun which I also love. I also liked World Without Love, the song he gave away to Peter and Gordon. Sappy lyrics yes ("Please lock me away") but it became a #1 US hit under the pseudo writer's name of Bernard Webb. People loved it not knowing that it was written by Paul McCartney. Again, it was the genius of the melody. Now we have Sgt. Pepper being revisited and the critics will start railing against "When I'm 64". Another song that I really like. One thing that I love about Paul's writing is that he is all over the place and so diverse. At a time when Paul and John were the most famous people in the world and it was all about "Youth", Paul writes a song about becoming a grandparent. Genius as far as I am concerned.
I would add to your last comment that at age 23, he wrote "Yesterday" which is about being older and reflecting back.
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He was actually still 22 when he wrote and recorded Yesterday!
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BJ, it was Woman that Paul wrote under the pseudonym of Bernard Webb and the song only made it to #14. World Without Love was written by Paul but attributed to Lennon & McCartney and made it to #1.
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Nancy R:
He was actually still 22 when he wrote and recorded Yesterday!
Even more impressive - lol
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Maybe he'll sing Heather! LMAO. :
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Nancy R:
BJ, it was Woman that Paul wrote under the pseudonym of Bernard Webb and the song only made it to #14. World Without Love was written by Paul but attributed to Lennon & McCartney and made it to #1.
_________________________________________________________ Nancy, You got me again. You're right...it was Woman. I knew it was one of his Peter and Gordon songs where he listed the writer as Bernard Webb to prove he could still have a hit record without the L&M trademark. Yes, it "only" went to #14. Actually, I always thought that "Woman" needed another verse. World Without Love is a much better song in my opinion. I could be wrong but I think "World Without Love" did hit #1 on the US charts. And when it hit #1, I think the Beatles had the other 4 songs in the Top 5. In retrospect, the Beatles did have a lot of silly lyrics in their early hits (e.g. Love Me Do) but the US had just lost a beloved, young President and there was a kind of magic to the innocence and happiness that their songs created. The US needed it at the time. The genius of the Fabs' songwriting became clear as they transitioned into their more mature "middle" era with Rubber Soul.
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People's reactions to songs (mine included) are personal and not entirely rational, so for those who love "I'll Be On My Way," go in peace and enjoy. I still think it's drivel. But a lot of people shake their heads at me when I say I love "Feet in the Clouds," so your mileage may definitely vary.
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Bruce M.:
People's reactions to songs (mine included) are personal and not entirely rational, so for those who love "I'll Be On My Way," go in peace and enjoy. I still think it's drivel. But a lot of people shake their heads at me when I say I love "Feet in the Clouds," so your mileage may definitely vary.
Totally agree...I like Temporary Secretary.
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Bruce M.:
People's reactions to songs (mine included) are personal and not entirely rational, so for those who love "I'll Be On My Way," go in peace and enjoy. I still think it's drivel. But a lot of people shake their heads at me when I say I love "Feet in the Clouds," so your mileage may definitely vary.
_______________________________________________________ Very fair Bruce. I like "Feet in the Clouds" and also love Vintage Clothes and That Was Me. Why didn't Paul ever do all 3 songs in a row at one of his shows is beyond me. Getting back to the subject of this thread, Paul never made the transition back in 2002 or 2005 to give his live shows more balance to his overall career. Maybe Paul (and others in his team) are right...you have to play Beatles and Wings' hits to get the people (at least in the US) to pay those prices to fill the stadiums/arenas. I will give him all the credit for giving the casual and first timers their money's worth. The Beatles always had that blue collar worth ethic. As Yankeefan and I have repeatedly said...it is a shame he has so "shortchanged" the bulk of his music career by going that route so much. In retrospect, it would have just taken in my opiniont a small adjustment (e.g. 3-4 songs each year/tour) with putting in great songs he never played from Tug of War, Flaming Pie, Chaos, MAF etc. By the way, I never liked the Billy J. Kramer version of "I'll Be on My Way"...too schmaltzy. It took the Beatles to do their own version with that Macca melodic "bounce" that turned me on to the song but as you say...music is personal. Just a little note...Ali (I forget his last name) one of the singers from UB40 heard "I'll Be on My way" and he said the Band loved it and they felt they had to record it for one of their albums. Of course it is "reggae" style and much better than Billy J. Kramer's version in my opinion. Bruce, do you have Sirius Radio and have you heard the new Beatles channel. Think you would like it.
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Newcomer to the boards, so apologies if this may have been mentioned prior. What of the thought on opening with Sgt Pepper's, but instead of saying it was twenty years, say 'it was fifty years ago today'. Would that be a possibility, or changes of that variety wouldn't occur? But, alas, the second song would feel odd not being with a little help. So perhaps, keeping with hard days night? Another thought I'll leave here- Glass Onion. In a world where vocals would not be in question, who thinks that could be brought in as a overall Beatles tribute of sorts. I'm 36 who is just rediscovering the Beatles album vault. Started by watching Macca's Tokyo show (s). Then started with Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery, White Album & Abbey simultaneously. Anyways, when I came to Glass Onion, it came across as a cool reward for listening to the others. This has only taken place since the start of May when I was fortunate enough to get a ticket for the Tampa show. Apologies on the long rant in a setlist speculation. Thanks for reading
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B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, it was Woman that Paul wrote under the pseudonym of Bernard Webb and the song only made it to #14. World Without Love was written by Paul but attributed to Lennon & McCartney and made it to #1.
_________________________________________________________ Nancy, You got me again. You're right...it was Woman. I knew it was one of his Peter and Gordon songs where he listed the writer as Bernard Webb to prove he could still have a hit record without the L&M trademark. Yes, it "only" went to #14. Actually, I always thought that "Woman" needed another verse. World Without Love is a much better song in my opinion. I could be wrong but I think "World Without Love" did hit #1 on the US charts. And when it hit #1, I think the Beatles had the other 4 songs in the Top 5. In retrospect, the Beatles did have a lot of silly lyrics in their early hits (e.g. Love Me Do) but the US had just lost a beloved, young President and there was a kind of magic to the innocence and happiness that their songs created. The US needed it at the time. The genius of the Fabs' songwriting became clear as they transitioned into their more mature "middle" era with Rubber Soul.
By the time World Without Love (released end of February) made it to #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in June, 1964, the Beatles were not in the top 5. That happened in April. http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1964-06-27 http://www.billboard.com/articles/chartbeat/513480/april-4-1964-the-beatles-make-hot-100-history
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This shows the #1 songs each week in 1964: http://www.billboard.com/archive/charts/1964/hot-100
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Nancy R:
B J Conlee:
Nancy R:
BJ, it was Woman that Paul wrote under the pseudonym of Bernard Webb and the song only made it to #14. World Without Love was written by Paul but attributed to Lennon & McCartney and made it to #1.
_________________________________________________________ Nancy, You got me again. You're right...it was Woman. I knew it was one of his Peter and Gordon songs where he listed the writer as Bernard Webb to prove he could still have a hit record without the L&M trademark. Yes, it "only" went to #14. Actually, I always thought that "Woman" needed another verse. World Without Love is a much better song in my opinion. I could be wrong but I think "World Without Love" did hit #1 on the US charts. And when it hit #1, I think the Beatles had the other 4 songs in the Top 5. In retrospect, the Beatles did have a lot of silly lyrics in their early hits (e.g. Love Me Do) but the US had just lost a beloved, young President and there was a kind of magic to the innocence and happiness that their songs created. The US needed it at the time. The genius of the Fabs' songwriting became clear as they transitioned into their more mature "middle" era with Rubber Soul.
By the time World Without Love (released end of February) made it to #1 on Billboard's Hot 100 in June, 1964, the Beatles were not in the top 5. That happened in April. http://www.billboard.com/charts/hot-100/1964-06-27 http://www.billboard.com/articles/chartbeat/513480/april-4-1964-the-beatles-make-hot-100-history
_____________________________________________ Nancy, good work as usual. Yes I wasn't sure and you confirmed it. I'm pretty sure I read where there was a week (maybe even two) in early 64 where the Beatles did have the top 5 songs in Billboard's Top 40 of Pop Hits. I also remember the Bee Gee's duplicating that record around the time of Saturday Night Fever. I remember that when the Bee Gee's had the top 5 songs they were talking about the fact that only the Beatles had done that before.
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BJ, not sure that happened with The Bee Gees. They had some #1s, but not 5 at the same time, same week. http://www.billboard.com/artist/281091/bee-gees/chart?f=379 They had 3, not 5. http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/7710297/hot-100-chainsmokers-three-songs-top-ten-ed-sheeran-number-one
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beard_on_the_run:
Newcomer to the boards, so apologies if this may have been mentioned prior. What of the thought on opening with Sgt Pepper's, but instead of saying it was twenty years, say 'it was fifty years ago today'. Would that be a possibility, or changes of that variety wouldn't occur? But, alas, the second song would feel odd not being with a little help. So perhaps, keeping with hard days night? Another thought I'll leave here- Glass Onion. In a world where vocals would not be in question, who thinks that could be brought in as a overall Beatles tribute of sorts. I'm 36 who is just rediscovering the Beatles album vault. Started by watching Macca's Tokyo show (s). Then started with Sgt Pepper, Magical Mystery, White Album & Abbey simultaneously. Anyways, when I came to Glass Onion, it came across as a cool reward for listening to the others. This has only taken place since the start of May when I was fortunate enough to get a ticket for the Tampa show. Apologies on the long rant in a setlist speculation. Thanks for reading
As someone who would much rather see him open with a song from his solo career, your idea would be fun. The problem like you said would be the followup up song and not sure if "Hard Days" Night" would work. Maybe another song from Sgt Pepper like "Getting Better".
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B J Conlee:
Bruce M.:
People's reactions to songs (mine included) are personal and not entirely rational, so for those who love "I'll Be On My Way," go in peace and enjoy. I still think it's drivel. But a lot of people shake their heads at me when I say I love "Feet in the Clouds," so your mileage may definitely vary.
_______________________________________________________ Very fair Bruce. I like "Feet in the Clouds" and also love Vintage Clothes and That Was Me. Why didn't Paul ever do all 3 songs in a row at one of his shows is beyond me. Getting back to the subject of this thread, Paul never made the transition back in 2002 or 2005 to give his live shows more balance to his overall career. Maybe Paul (and others in his team) are right...you have to play Beatles and Wings' hits to get the people (at least in the US) to pay those prices to fill the stadiums/arenas. I will give him all the credit for giving the casual and first timers their money's worth. The Beatles always had that blue collar worth ethic. As Yankeefan and I have repeatedly said...it is a shame he has so "shortchanged" the bulk of his music career by going that route so much. In retrospect, it would have just taken in my opiniont a small adjustment (e.g. 3-4 songs each year/tour) with putting in great songs he never played from Tug of War, Flaming Pie, Chaos, MAF etc. By the way, I never liked the Billy J. Kramer version of "I'll Be on My Way"...too schmaltzy. It took the Beatles to do their own version with that Macca melodic "bounce" that turned me on to the song but as you say...music is personal. Just a little note...Ali (I forget his last name) one of the singers from UB40 heard "I'll Be on My way" and he said the Band loved it and they felt they had to record it for one of their albums. Of course it is "reggae" style and much better than Billy J. Kramer's version in my opinion. Bruce, do you have Sirius Radio and have you heard the new Beatles channel. Think you would like it.
Yes, he has shortchanged the people who love his entire career in concert. Like you said, it would not have taken much and still please the first timers. He normally plays about 36 songs in a show, give the solo fans like us 8 songs. That leaves 28 Beatle/Wings songs which should give the first timers plenty of memories. Take those 8 songs and every tour change at least 3-4 with songs you never played live before, it would have been awesome!!Finally, count me in as someone who would have loved to hear him play those three MAF songs in a row !!
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I wonder if Paul will say anything about Roger Moore, who passed away today at age 89, when he plays Live And Let Die next.