The ..2012.... Political thread
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Great story I ran across today: Good story to pass around: Today on my way to lunch I passed a homeless guy with a sign that read "Vote Obama, I need the money." I laughed. Once in the restaurant my server had on a "Obama 08" tie, again I laughed as he had given away his political preference--just imagine the coincidence. When the bill came I decided not to tip the server and explained to him that I was exploring the Obama redistribution of wealth concept. He stood there in disbelief while I told him that I was going to redistribute his tip to someone who I deemed more in need--the homeless guy outside. The server angrily stormed from my sight. I went outside, gave the homeless guy $10 and told him to thank the server inside as I've decided he could use the money more. The homeless guy was grateful. At the end of my rather unscientific redistribution experiment I realized the homeless guy was grateful for the money he did not earn, but the waiter was pretty angry that I gave away the money he did earn even though the actual recipient needed money more. I guess redistribution of wealth is an easier thing to swallow in concept than in practical application.
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How many people here have participated in Early Voted, Have already cast their ballot and/or have already made up their mind who to vote for. love doris.
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doris mendlovitz:
How many people here have participated in Early Voted, Have already cast their ballot and/or have already made up their mind who to vote for. love doris.
Hi Doris I have already voted by absentee (and checked to see that it was processed) and in my state about 2 million have early voted. I am now helping to get out the vote. Peace
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Most of the early voters are for Obama
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[quote="BandontheRun"]
Fan Since 1964:
Many, if not most, Americans live paycheck to paycheck and McCain's healthcare incentive of $5,000 falls vastly short of the $12,000 average cost of health insurance. How do the Americans who don't have the additional $7,000 get health insurance? [\quote] I think I understand. The government should be responsible for providing healthcare because people are living beyond their means living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can't afford to buy what they need.
Hi BotR, You missed the point! Americans, because of George W. Bush's colossal policy failures, are forced to live from paycheck to paycheck just to put food on the table, put gas in the car so they can drive to the store to get the food and if they have the high costs of prescriptions factored in the average American is forced to choose between food and medicine and paying their exhorbatent utility bills. McCain proposed yesterday (October 28, 200 to pay Medicare lump sum payments for quality care and not for each procedure and to have Americans in the higher tax brackets pay more for their prescription drugs. I bet that surprises many of his supporters because on one hand he talks about not punishing success and then he wants the wealthy to pay more for their prescriptions. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth out of despiration and making it up as he goes along. Under Obama's plan Medicare would be able to negotiate its cost of drugs with pharmaceutical companies like the Veterens Administration (VA) does. A survey was done by Consumers Union (the publisher of "Consumer Reports") in Florida's Broward County using six drugs and the VA's average cost per drug is $22.06. The average cost per drug to Medicare Part D is $48.38. Healthcare costs have to be brought under control and Obama has a plan for doing so. As for McCain, a different day brings a different hypothetical out of despiration. As Obama says, nothing is certain and nothing should be taken for granted. Don't stay home from the polls because you think Obama is a shoe-in to win. Get out and vote because when Democrats stay home history shows it favors the Republicans and this country can not afford four more years of the same Republican policies under John McCain that got us into this mess. We don't need a guy like McCain who voted with G.W. Bush 90% of the time with pride but now he's trying to backpeddle and distance himself from Bush to get elected. Another thing I heard yesterday really angered me. It was reported that the companies of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs that benefitted from the $800 billion economic bailout stockpiled $70 billion for staff bonus payments, which allows for 10% of the original amount ($700 billion) of the Government bail-out package before "pork' bumped the amount up to $800 billion for staff bonuses. Another loophole in the attempt to get us out of Bush's mess. Plus, we weren't spending $12 billion/month in 2008 for George Bush's mistake known as the Iraq War. Wall Street employees make an average of $60,000/year before bonuses which can put their actual salaries in the millions and low billions of dollars. The Average American, by the way, makes $34,000/year. Maybe we all should be made to scale back! It is time for the "Change" that Obama/Biden are offering to take this country in the right direction for all Americans!
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[quote="Fan Since 1964"]
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
Many, if not most, Americans live paycheck to paycheck and McCain's healthcare incentive of $5,000 falls vastly short of the $12,000 average cost of health insurance. How do the Americans who don't have the additional $7,000 get health insurance? [\quote] I think I understand. The government should be responsible for providing healthcare because people are living beyond their means living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can't afford to buy what they need.
Hi BotR, You missed the point! Americans, because of George W. Bush's colossal policy failures, are forced to live from paycheck to paycheck just to put food on the table, put gas in the car so they can drive to the store to get the food and if they have the high costs of prescriptions factored in the average American is forced to choose between food and medicine and paying their exhorbatent utility bills. McCain proposed yesterday (October 28, 200 to pay Medicare lump sum payments for quality care and not for each procedure and to have Americans in the higher tax brackets pay more for their prescription drugs. I bet that surprises many of his supporters because on one hand he talks about not punishing success and then he wants the wealthy to pay more for their prescriptions. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth out of despiration and making it up as he goes along. Under Obama's plan Medicare would be able to negotiate its cost of drugs with pharmaceutical companies like the Veterens Administration (VA) does. A survey was done by Consumers Union (the publisher of "Consumer Reports") in Florida's Broward County using six drugs and the VA's average cost per drug is $22.06. The average cost per drug to Medicare Part D is $48.38. Healthcare costs have to be brought under control and Obama has a plan for doing so. As for McCain, a different day brings a different hypothetical out of despiration. As Obama says, nothing is certain and nothing should be taken for granted. Don't stay home from the polls because you think Obama is a shoe-in to win. Get out and vote because when Democrats stay home history shows it favors the Republicans and this country can not afford four more years of the same Republican policies under John McCain that got us into this mess. We don't need a guy like McCain who voted with G.W. Bush 90% of the time with pride but now he's trying to backpeddle and distance himself from Bush to get elected. Another thing I heard yesterday really angered me. It was reported that the companies of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs that benefitted from the $800 billion economic bailout stockpiled $70 billion for staff bonus payments, which allows for 10% of the original amount ($700 billion) of the Government bail-out package before "pork' bumped the amount up to $800 billion). Another loophole in the attempt to get us out of Bush's mess. Plus, we weren't spending $12 billion/month in 2008 for George Bush's mistake known as the Iraq War. It is time for the "Change" that Obama/Biden are offering to take this country in the right direction for all Americans!
I get the point about healthcare costs etc.., I just disagree that the reason anyone is living paycheck to paycheck is because of George Bush policies rather than their own spending behavior...
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[quote="BandontheRun"]
Fan Since 1964:
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
Many, if not most, Americans live paycheck to paycheck and McCain's healthcare incentive of $5,000 falls vastly short of the $12,000 average cost of health insurance. How do the Americans who don't have the additional $7,000 get health insurance? [\quote] I think I understand. The government should be responsible for providing healthcare because people are living beyond their means living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can't afford to buy what they need.
Hi BotR, You missed the point! Americans, because of George W. Bush's colossal policy failures, are forced to live from paycheck to paycheck just to put food on the table, put gas in the car so they can drive to the store to get the food and if they have the high costs of prescriptions factored in the average American is forced to choose between food and medicine and paying their exhorbatent utility bills. McCain proposed yesterday (October 28, 200 to pay Medicare lump sum payments for quality care and not for each procedure and to have Americans in the higher tax brackets pay more for their prescription drugs. I bet that surprises many of his supporters because on one hand he talks about not punishing success and then he wants the wealthy to pay more for their prescriptions. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth out of despiration and making it up as he goes along. Under Obama's plan Medicare would be able to negotiate its cost of drugs with pharmaceutical companies like the Veterens Administration (VA) does. A survey was done by Consumers Union (the publisher of "Consumer Reports") in Florida's Broward County using six drugs and the VA's average cost per drug is $22.06. The average cost per drug to Medicare Part D is $48.38. Healthcare costs have to be brought under control and Obama has a plan for doing so. As for McCain, a different day brings a different hypothetical out of despiration. As Obama says, nothing is certain and nothing should be taken for granted. Don't stay home from the polls because you think Obama is a shoe-in to win. Get out and vote because when Democrats stay home history shows it favors the Republicans and this country can not afford four more years of the same Republican policies under John McCain that got us into this mess. We don't need a guy like McCain who voted with G.W. Bush 90% of the time with pride but now he's trying to backpeddle and distance himself from Bush to get elected. Another thing I heard yesterday really angered me. It was reported that the companies of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs that benefitted from the $800 billion economic bailout stockpiled $70 billion for staff bonus payments, which allows for 10% of the original amount ($700 billion) of the Government bail-out package before "pork' bumped the amount up to $800 billion). Another loophole in the attempt to get us out of Bush's mess. Plus, we weren't spending $12 billion/month in 2008 for George Bush's mistake known as the Iraq War. It is time for the "Change" that Obama/Biden are offering to take this country in the right direction for all Americans!
I get the point about healthcare costs etc.., I just disagree that the reason anyone is living paycheck to paycheck is because of George Bush policies rather than their own spending behavior...
Americans spending behavior is presently being dictated by the terrible economic conditions resulting from Bush's failed economic policies. Bush doesn't legislate until his back is against the wall and the result is a bailout package that taxpayers, who are not being reimbursed for their losses, have to pay for. Add in foreclosures when the Government is in negotiations to financially aid the auto industry and facilitate a possible GM-Chrysler merger when last year the Bush Administration told some airlines who asked for assistence because of the high cost of fuel to fend for themselves resulting in more mergers and airline failures. Bush picks and chooses even though in his 2004 election bid he promised to keep the cost of oil under control - a promise he failed to keep! I hope that helps. * By the way, I amended my original post when you were already responding to it to include the paragraph before the last one to include salary data between Wall Street brokers and the Average American to further illustrate my point. Take care.
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[quote="Fan Since 1964"]
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
Many, if not most, Americans live paycheck to paycheck and McCain's healthcare incentive of $5,000 falls vastly short of the $12,000 average cost of health insurance. How do the Americans who don't have the additional $7,000 get health insurance? [\quote] I think I understand. The government should be responsible for providing healthcare because people are living beyond their means living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can't afford to buy what they need.
Hi BotR, You missed the point! Americans, because of George W. Bush's colossal policy failures, are forced to live from paycheck to paycheck just to put food on the table, put gas in the car so they can drive to the store to get the food and if they have the high costs of prescriptions factored in the average American is forced to choose between food and medicine and paying their exhorbatent utility bills. McCain proposed yesterday (October 28, 200 to pay Medicare lump sum payments for quality care and not for each procedure and to have Americans in the higher tax brackets pay more for their prescription drugs. I bet that surprises many of his supporters because on one hand he talks about not punishing success and then he wants the wealthy to pay more for their prescriptions. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth out of despiration and making it up as he goes along. Under Obama's plan Medicare would be able to negotiate its cost of drugs with pharmaceutical companies like the Veterens Administration (VA) does. A survey was done by Consumers Union (the publisher of "Consumer Reports") in Florida's Broward County using six drugs and the VA's average cost per drug is $22.06. The average cost per drug to Medicare Part D is $48.38. Healthcare costs have to be brought under control and Obama has a plan for doing so. As for McCain, a different day brings a different hypothetical out of despiration. As Obama says, nothing is certain and nothing should be taken for granted. Don't stay home from the polls because you think Obama is a shoe-in to win. Get out and vote because when Democrats stay home history shows it favors the Republicans and this country can not afford four more years of the same Republican policies under John McCain that got us into this mess. We don't need a guy like McCain who voted with G.W. Bush 90% of the time with pride but now he's trying to backpeddle and distance himself from Bush to get elected. Another thing I heard yesterday really angered me. It was reported that the companies of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs that benefitted from the $800 billion economic bailout stockpiled $70 billion for staff bonus payments, which allows for 10% of the original amount ($700 billion) of the Government bail-out package before "pork' bumped the amount up to $800 billion). Another loophole in the attempt to get us out of Bush's mess. Plus, we weren't spending $12 billion/month in 2008 for George Bush's mistake known as the Iraq War. It is time for the "Change" that Obama/Biden are offering to take this country in the right direction for all Americans!
I get the point about healthcare costs etc.., I just disagree that the reason anyone is living paycheck to paycheck is because of George Bush policies rather than their own spending behavior...
Americans spending behavior is presently being dictated by the terrible economic conditions resulting from Bush's failed economic policies. Bush doesn't legislate until his back is against the wall and the result is a bailout package that taxpayers, who are not being reimbursed for their losses, have to pay for. Add in foreclosures when the Government is in negotiations to financially aid the auto industry and facilitate a possible GM-Chrysler merger when last year the Bush Administration told some airlines who asked for assistence because of the high cost of fuel to fend for themselves resulting in more mergers and airline failures. Bush picks and chooses even though in his 2004 election bid he promised to keep the cost of oil under control - a promise he failed to keep! I hope that helps. * By the way, I amended my original post when you were already responding to it to include the paragraph before the last one to include salary data between Wall Street brokers and the Average American to further illustrate my point. Take care.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the causes of the terrible economic conditions. I also don't believe in caps on anyone's pay. While I may not agree with someone's pay, I don't believe the government should intervene with some kind of control relative to what they deem as "fair" I'm also against any and all bail-outs which Obama is completely for and also wants to up that regulation to actually have control. When the government has control, it is no longer Capitalism. You start moving upwards towards socialism and in the extreme, you get communism. I hate using words like socialism since it's overused political rhetoric that turns people off to anything you say much in the same way when someone says "voted with Bush 95%, can't afford 8 more years etc" However, regardless of what you call it, it is more government control and regulation which is what I am against.
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[quote="BandontheRun"]
Fan Since 1964:
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
BandontheRun:
Fan Since 1964:
Many, if not most, Americans live paycheck to paycheck and McCain's healthcare incentive of $5,000 falls vastly short of the $12,000 average cost of health insurance. How do the Americans who don't have the additional $7,000 get health insurance? [\quote]I think I understand. The government should be responsible for providing healthcare because people are living beyond their means living paycheck to paycheck and therefore can't afford to buy what they need.
Hi BotR, You missed the point! Americans, because of George W. Bush's colossal policy failures, are forced to live from paycheck to paycheck just to put food on the table, put gas in the car so they can drive to the store to get the food and if they have the high costs of prescriptions factored in the average American is forced to choose between food and medicine and paying their exhorbatent utility bills. McCain proposed yesterday (October 28, 200 to pay Medicare lump sum payments for quality care and not for each procedure and to have Americans in the higher tax brackets pay more for their prescription drugs. I bet that surprises many of his supporters because on one hand he talks about not punishing success and then he wants the wealthy to pay more for their prescriptions. McCain is talking out of both sides of his mouth out of despiration and making it up as he goes along. Under Obama's plan Medicare would be able to negotiate its cost of drugs with pharmaceutical companies like the Veterens Administration (VA) does. A survey was done by Consumers Union (the publisher of "Consumer Reports") in Florida's Broward County using six drugs and the VA's average cost per drug is $22.06. The average cost per drug to Medicare Part D is $48.38. Healthcare costs have to be brought under control and Obama has a plan for doing so. As for McCain, a different day brings a different hypothetical out of despiration. As Obama says, nothing is certain and nothing should be taken for granted. Don't stay home from the polls because you think Obama is a shoe-in to win. Get out and vote because when Democrats stay home history shows it favors the Republicans and this country can not afford four more years of the same Republican policies under John McCain that got us into this mess. We don't need a guy like McCain who voted with G.W. Bush 90% of the time with pride but now he's trying to backpeddle and distance himself from Bush to get elected. Another thing I heard yesterday really angered me. It was reported that the companies of Merrill Lynch, Morgan Stanley and Goldman Sachs that benefitted from the $800 billion economic bailout stockpiled $70 billion for staff bonus payments, which allows for 10% of the original amount ($700 billion) of the Government bail-out package before "pork' bumped the amount up to $800 billion). Another loophole in the attempt to get us out of Bush's mess. Plus, we weren't spending $12 billion/month in 2008 for George Bush's mistake known as the Iraq War. It is time for the "Change" that Obama/Biden are offering to take this country in the right direction for all Americans!
I get the point about healthcare costs etc.., I just disagree that the reason anyone is living paycheck to paycheck is because of George Bush policies rather than their own spending behavior...
Americans spending behavior is presently being dictated by the terrible economic conditions resulting from Bush's failed economic policies. Bush doesn't legislate until his back is against the wall and the result is a bailout package that taxpayers, who are not being reimbursed for their losses, have to pay for. Add in foreclosures when the Government is in negotiations to financially aid the auto industry and facilitate a possible GM-Chrysler merger when last year the Bush Administration told some airlines who asked for assistence because of the high cost of fuel to fend for themselves resulting in more mergers and airline failures. Bush picks and chooses even though in his 2004 election bid he promised to keep the cost of oil under control - a promise he failed to keep! I hope that helps. * By the way, I amended my original post when you were already responding to it to include the paragraph before the last one to include salary data between Wall Street brokers and the Average American to further illustrate my point. Take care.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the causes of the terrible economic conditions. I also don't believe in caps on anyone's pay. While I may not agree with someone's pay, I don't believe the government should intervene with some kind of control relative to what they deem as "fair"I'm also against any and all bail-outs which Obama is completely for and also wants to up that regulation to actually have control. When the government has control, it is no longer Capitalism. You start moving upwards towards socialism and in the extreme, you get communism. I hate using words like socialism since it's overused political rhetoric that turns people off to anything you say much in the same way when someone says "voted with Bush 95%, can't afford 8 more years etc" However, regardless of what you call it, it is more government control and regulation which is what I am against.
Yes we will have to agree to disagree on that issue.By the way, John McCain also voted for the bailout package, and all the "earmarks" that went with it, even though he vowed to never vote for "earmarks". I don't see how in this economic climate of unemployment, high costs of goods and foreclosures that health insurance for ALL Americans constitutes "Socialism" "Socialism" is just a "buzz" word that everyone is getting caught up in for the sake of politics. If you buy into that then you are, in effect, saying that instead of doing the humane thing and having all Americans health insured the government should "Play God" and decide who lives and who dies based solely on income. That is just not acceptable to me. Nor are McCain's policies and despiration campaign tactics. My vote is for Obama/Biden.
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mustangsally10:
deKooningartist:
Actually Mustang Sally, you have a good heart and I too many years believed alot of the retoric that comes out of the liberal faction of the democratic party....the horrible evil rich people...the fat cats on wall street.... and so on. I don't envy people who are wealthy. I think it's great that they are a success! I admire people who have worked hard or even people who have inherited money from the hard work of their parents and are now doing some great humanitarian works. And even if they don't - so what? It's there life and they are living the life that their loved one wished for them. And I think that is wonderful! Social Security? I think it was a good idea but it has been totally mishandled. And by the way, you do work for your social security - it's taken out of your paycheck. I've paid alot into social security but whose to say it will be there if I really need it someday? Everything that you and I have paid into it is gone! Before FDR and social security how did people retire? Well, it was a different time but those that did saved up for it and they alone decided how it would be invested, not the government. I firmly believe that each individual should decide how the money that they have earned is spent....not a bunch of politicians. What are the qualifications to be a politician? There are none except being a U.S. citizen. Why in the world would I entrust my hard earned money to people with little or no financial experience? Anyway, those are just my thoughts
Actually, you are right, I do have some compassion. But you are wrong in that I envy wealthy people. I actually am in a decent financial position I'm very lucky. SS is a good program and it will be there and better managed under an Obama administration. The guy is a fantastic manager see his campaign. You and I have talked before and I have come to the conculsion that you do not have any feeling for those who are less fortunate. Life is not fair in its distribution of abilities and gifts. This distribution of wealth that you republicans are using now is just a talking point. A smoke and mirrors to disguise your greed and hate. The distribution of wealth has occurred under the republicans(do your homework) where there has been a major disparity of wealth concentrated in the top most wealthy-this is a fact. http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/08/paul_krugman_wa.html
Let's see....I have applauded your passion (different post). I have stated that you have a kind heart ...and what do I get????
mustangsally10:
I have come to the conculsion that you do not have any feeling for those who are less fortunate. ...This distribution of wealth that you republicans are using now is just a talking point. A smoke and mirrors to disguise your greed and hate.
So it's just me, huh? Have you not read other's statements here? Not everyone agrees with Obama/Biden's tax policies. Newsflash...Not everyone here agrees with you. I am not the only one. I have on more than one occassion explained why when you overtax people how it acutally hurts the very people it is suppose to help. Rather than slinging insults at someone with a different viewpoint, why not try to understand where they are coming from? Your own candidate even supports this, does he not? Is that not what a debate is about??? You also assume I am a republican? If you read my posts as you state you have, then you will remember what I have stated before in reference to my political preferences, my thoughts on education and child healthcare, and how instead of encouraging dependacy helping adults in a bad situation to obtain a better life for themselves. But I have no problem siding with the same political party as Martin Luther King who was a Republican. Nor do I have any problem siding with the same political party as did my mother's cousin when he worked as a civil rights attorney for the JFK administration. You say I am unkind? Here's a reminder of your statement directed to me....
mustangsally10:
I have come to the conculsion that you do not have any feeling for those who are less fortunate. ...This distribution of wealth that you republicans are using now is just a talking point. A smoke and mirrors to disguise your greed and hate.
Questions to you... Who do I hate by the way???? Just curious!!!!
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I prefer to learn to fish myself than to have the government provide the fish for me. Vote McCain!
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Here's the wikipedia definition of Socialists, you can just change that to "Obama Supporters" and it means the same thing.... hmmm Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
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Without question, Obama has set the bar at new height with a truly staggering sum of cash. And that is why as we approach this November, it is worth reminding ourselves what Barack Obama said last November. One year ago, he made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing and to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated within those limits. The courageous among Obama's own supporters concede this decision was really made for one reason, simply because it was to Obama's financial advantage. For this last week, Sen. Obama will be rolling in dough. His commercials, his get-out-the-vote effort will, as the pundits have said, dwarf the McCain campaign's final push. But in fairness, you have to admit, he is getting there in part on a broken promise. ops:
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BandontheRun:
Without question, Obama has set the bar at new height with a truly staggering sum of cash. And that is why as we approach this November, it is worth reminding ourselves what Barack Obama said last November. One year ago, he made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing and to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated within those limits. The courageous among Obama's own supporters concede this decision was really made for one reason, simply because it was to Obama's financial advantage. For this last week, Sen. Obama will be rolling in dough. His commercials, his get-out-the-vote effort will, as the pundits have said, dwarf the McCain campaign's final push. But in fairness, you have to admit, he is getting there in part on a broken promise. ops:
Ummm...seems to me that by McCain accepting public financing he is going the Socialist way and Obama is going the capitalistic way Bet that makes your head explode. I think we all know that McSame would not have operated in the limits and he isn't. Obama for the most part has a people supported campaign. His average donation is $86. I have donated and volunteered for the campaign and it's one of the most efficient organizations in which I have been involved.
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REad your voter's guide and look up Gloria La Riva/Eugene Puryear. They are running under the Socialist Liberation Party and it sounds exactly like what is coming out of move.org and the Obama Campaign. Obama flip-flops on campaign finance? Originally he stated he believed all candidates should be on the same playing field and excepting only public finance was the only fair way to go. Then he changed his mind. That is one of the main issues that turned me off to Obama. I believed that he truly was going to be a different type of politician, at least that is what he presented in the early stages of his campaign. But after doing research on his previous campaigns, I was sad to see that he is far from anything new. He's been running for President per his own remarks now for the past 22 months - he stated this at a rally this week. He's only been a U.S. Senator for 24 months. Basically you can only go on what has transpired during his campaign. McCain has disclosed all of his contributors under $200.00. Obama refuses to disclose his list and I wonder why? If you have nothing to hide, then why not disclose it? If it's so efficiently run as stated in the previous post, then it shouldn't be a problem for them.
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BandontheRun:
Here's the wikipedia definition of Socialists, you can just change that to "Obama Supporters" and it means the same thing.... hmmm Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth among a small segment of society that controls capital and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism
I consider myself a socialist, and the main point to me is to look after people less fortunate than yourself......the elderly, the sick, the poor....the disabled . Of course it will never work ( people are to greedy ) .....but its a fine proud tradition, and the closer we can get to it the better. I in no way at all think that i should get the same money as my boss, and a roadsweepr the same as a Doctor........but things could be a whole lot better , and fairer......but this is where greed and capitalism comes in.......sod the rest......im alright jack......thatcher
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deKooningartist:
REad your voter's guide and look up Gloria La Riva/Eugene Puryear. They are running under the Socialist Liberation Party and it sounds exactly like what is coming out of move.org and the Obama Campaign. Obama flip-flops on campaign finance? Originally he stated he believed all candidates should be on the same playing field and excepting only public finance was the only fair way to go. Then he changed his mind. That is one of the main issues that turned me off to Obama. I believed that he truly was going to be a different type of politician, at least that is what he presented in the early stages of his campaign. But after doing research on his previous campaigns, I was sad to see that he is far from anything new. He's been running for President per his own remarks now for the past 22 months - he stated this at a rally this week. He's only been a U.S. Senator for 24 months. Basically you can only go on what has transpired during his campaign. McCain has disclosed all of his contributors under $200.00. Obama refuses to disclose his list and I wonder why? If you have nothing to hide, then why not disclose it? If it's so efficiently run as stated in the previous post, then it shouldn't be a problem for them.
One thing you really can't argue against is that Obama has had lots to hide with his Palestinian and terrorist ties, Tony Rezko (he was sentenced yesterday, wonder why you don't hear about it in the media?), Reverend Wright, that 2001 interview which the Obama campaign is angry that it was dug up etc etc.. all within a few years Where McCain has laid out his long life, faults and all and has integrity where Obama has waffled on everything including his original promises at the beginning of his campaign. Is this the kind of leadership we need? Obama flip flop list: -Pull troops out of Iraq and end this war-wait no, send them to Afganistan -Public Financing- wait no, private undisclosed is better -No drilling offshore- wait no, we can do that too -I will lower gas prices- wait no, looks like they're low again -I can't denounce J. Wright- wait, no OK I denounce him .....
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Obama flip flop list: -Pull troops out of Iraq and end this war-wait no, send them to Afganistan -Public Financing- wait no, private undisclosed is better -No drilling offshore- wait no, we can do that too -I will lower gas prices- wait no, looks like they're low again -I can't denounce J. Wright- wait, no OK I denounce him .....
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The magical sound of the bottom of a barrel being scraped.