The ..2012.... Political thread
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BandontheRun:
Arnold Shwarzenegger etc... do not openly admit to rampid drug use and are not in the higest office in the land. You bash Bush for whatever, but are you now conding drug use by US Presidents that hold the highest office in the land? You condemn Bush for drug use which was not advertised or condoned... can you do the same for Obama? Is his drug history just "OK" and you suck it up as an Obamafile?
Okay, so it's okay to use drugs so long as you don't admit it - even when there's film of you doing it. Was I bashing Bush? No, I was making a statement and pointing out a few double-standards while we were at it. Where did I condone anything? Please pay attention.
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Now you can see how we got stuck with bush for 8 years. People like on this board votlng. You all should be thankful that the grown-ups are going to be making the decisions for you.
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it's well known george w. bush snorted coke, smoked weed and drank a whole lot in his younger days...that doesn't prohibit one from the presidency any more. it was considered alright for bushytail since he quit it and sobered up for good, he even stopped social drinking,it's said. and everybody knew obama's partying was way in the past. lots of people are kind of wild sometimes when they're young.
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SusyLuvsPaul:
it's well known george w. bush snorted coke, smoked weed and drank a whole lot in his younger days...that doesn't prohibit one from the presidency any more. it was considered alright for bushytail since he quit it and sobered up for good, he even stopped social drinking,it's said. and everybody knew obama's partying was way in the past. lots of people are kind of wild sometimes when they're young.
Wow! He must have been a real fun guy back then! Ha!
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Please stop with the insults, name-calling and personal attacks!! Everyone is entitled to share their opinions here without being held to a litmus test. We need to remember why we are on this board in the first place...the fact that we all share a love and enjoyment for Paul and his music. If you cannot play nice, you need to move away from this particular thread. Thank you Dawn
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Mod Post At the request of several members involved we have made an extensive removal of posts that were personally insulting and off-topic. Whilst many of those removed were from members trying to bring calm and reason to the situation we deemed it appropriate to remove all the posts associated. Please return to topic, keep the debate on the subject and avoid making personal accusations and insults. Thank you Martin
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mustangsally10:
We have some sickos on this board....poor Paul. I feel sorry for him to have these expressions of hate on his board. I would bet that being the open minded intelligent person he is and knowing his environmental and liberal interests that he would be a Obama supporter. It's very sad to see demonstrations of mental imbalance on this board.
Correct......I am sure Paul would be disgusted at the some of the childish comments on here. I know he dosnt talk much about polictics, but i believe myself he has some socialst leanings....his constant support of the NHS and post officies. His up bringing.....his rummoured dislike of thatcher........he wanted the US to get rid of bush ....hes always stayed in this country, and paid his taxes without moaning or becoming a tax exile ( unlike lewis hamilton , who did a runner less than 12 months after starting to make his money ) ect. I know i have said this before , but i will not be coming on here MUCH in the future . I will stay on the Weller one and talk to the adults, and people of musical taste. Thanks for all your hard work Vivien I sometimes wish Paul would open his mouth more, instead of being ever so careful
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Bill:
I get your point. Your point is that you want to keep arguing false equivalences to support your case. The point that you're ignoring is that we're talking about democracy, not hit parades.
But not every example I gave was regarding the hit parade (i.e. I don't recall the hard rockin' Abolitionists making Billboard). And even if all my examples were about the hit parade, when you stated "goodness = popularity," that was stated as a universal statement that applies to all goodness. At least that's what it implies. But if my mentioning of the hit parade was a false analogy, and we're only talking about democracy, then that means only sometimes does goodness = popularity, and sometimes it does not, which goes against your original statement. Which is it?
Bill:
If Obama ceases to be good he will cease to be popular. Bush was good for a few days and his popularity was at a record high. He's had time to screw up since then and now he's the most unpopular president on record. That's how it works. Performance = popularity.
So, if this is how it works (where performance = popularity), then, following that, I guess I need to reformulate my opinion of such people like Jesus and Socrates. I mean, talk about being unpopular in their day; I'm guessing it must have been because both were just lacking goodness and failed to perform. That explains it! And I know this one wasn't to me, but...
Bill:
This is the country that elected George W Bush because they'd rather have a beer with him than listen to Al Gore talk about fiscal policy.
Coincidentally enough, also the country that elected Barack H. Obama because they'd rather cling to trite about "hope, change" and other pie in the sky slogans than listen to John McCain talk about fiscal policy, terrorism or something grown up.
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Well, Macca congratulated the American people for voting for Barack so that sholuld put an end to all the plain evil that has been placed on this thread. As usual the cavalry arrived late (again) and the Mods have done the right thing and deleted the offensive posts. Really people, we all have our politiical allegiances and we can get hot under the collar but some of the stuff was too insulting. Some of the posts stopped short of using the evil word but you got the feeling that's what they wanted to say. This is not the site for that sort of behaviour, especially when you consider Paul's feelings on the subject and his constant unwavering support for brothers and sisters together, love and peace, freedom and democracy. He will not have been impressed if he has checked out the site. Nice thing about this here t'internet, you can get it anywhere on God's earth now. I mean Obama hasn't even got his feet wet yet and you're dismissing him. Like I said if he has ballsed up in 4 years time then vote him out but until then shut up and get on with making sure that the US gets through this financial crisis and prepares itself for the environmental armgeddon that's looming. Remember nearly all politicians (99.999999%) are useless egomaniacs who are in it for themselves and their mates, for contracts and directorships when they leave politics, few actually care about the people. They only care about the people when it comes to an election and they need votes.....which they generally buy with tax cuts etc. A lot of people are quite happy to whore their vote for a few extra notes in their wallets. If you were insulting Thatcher then I could understand it, she spent years dismantling all the good things the UK stood for and should be rounded upon at every opportunity. Moggy Stay put mate....your posts are too important.. The people in question are small minded bigots and an insult to a great country like the US and should be ignored in future......or perhaps banned (hint hint MODS!!).
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Hi david top of the morning to you. I hope all is well.
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Thanks David ....but what about all my flags ? There are two men parked outside my house now wearing sunglasses. One is reading a newspaper , with holes cut in it You mention thatcher ......i know a lot of people will celebrate her death. I despise the woman , but i would never sink so low ( she is someones mother for example) I hope i am more mature also to sink to her depths . I do think some people on here have reached rock bottom. We both have mentioned Maccas beliefs. I know we have our own opinions, and beliefs, but we have to remember on which forum we are on. I have had a go at him in the past for some of the no marks hes appeared with ....BUT for example i am not a veggie, but i would NEVER dream of shouting my mouth off about meat on here. I think the words i am looking for are maturity and respect......two things i havnt seen much of on here from one side.
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Matthew_Montoya:
Bill:
I get your point. Your point is that you want to keep arguing false equivalences to support your case. The point that you're ignoring is that we're talking about democracy, not hit parades.
But not every example I gave was regarding the hit parade (i.e. I don't recall the hard rockin' Abolitionists making Billboard). And even if all my examples were about the hit parade, when you stated "goodness = popularity," that was stated as a universal statement that applies to all goodness. At least that's what it implies. But if my mentioning of the hit parade was a false analogy, and we're only talking about democracy, then that means only sometimes does goodness = popularity, and sometimes it does not, which goes against your original statement. Which is it?
Bill:
If Obama ceases to be good he will cease to be popular. Bush was good for a few days and his popularity was at a record high. He's had time to screw up since then and now he's the most unpopular president on record. That's how it works. Performance = popularity.
So, if this is how it works (where performance = popularity), then, following that, I guess I need to reformulate my opinion of such people like Jesus and Socrates. I mean, talk about being unpopular in their day; I'm guessing it must have been because both were just lacking goodness and failed to perform. That explains it!
Oh, come off it Matt! You're not that thick are you? I posted my comment on a thread called "The 2008 US Presidential Race" not "The universal philosophy of popularity versus merit." Later, in response to your semantic quibbling, I dumbed it down for you. If you still can't work out that what I am talking about is politics and democracy, then there's nothing I can do for you. In any democracy, the candidates who please the people the most, are naturally the most popular and therefore win elections. It's not rocket science. With respect mate, stop trying to spin your way out of it.
Matthew_Montoya:
And I know this one wasn't to me, but...
Bill:
This is the country that elected George W Bush because they'd rather have a beer with him than listen to Al Gore talk about fiscal policy.
Coincidentally enough, also the country that elected Barack H. Obama because they'd rather cling to trite about "hope, change" and other pie in the sky slogans than listen to John McCain talk about fiscal policy, terrorism or something grown up.
You're joking, right? The only thing John McCain said about fiscal policy is that he didn't know as much about economics as he perhaps should. Then he said the fundamentals of the economy were strong a day before it tanked. People listened to McCain talk about fiscal policy and realised he was talking nonsense and changing his position by the day. Obama stuck to his story because his assessment of the economy's health was right from the beginning. That's why he won. Would you like some sugar for those grapes?
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Dorothy I am tip top me dear......are you swell? You seem to have done your best to stay out of this debate (if indeed you can call it that.......gladitorial combat was more peaceful and loving than this).......you are what I've always thought you are, a wise, wise woman. Hope whoever you support you'll get behind your new leader for the sake of your great country. We are all affected by what happens in the US and have all been gratefull for all it's has done for us. Our two nations may fall out once in a while but hopefully we'll always remain pals. Tad like you and I my darling.....
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Moggy Hello! Those men sitting outside your house aren't CIA or MI5 they are council workmen having yet another teabreak....or they could be coppers hiding away from doing their duty and stuffing their faces with Starbucks latte's and blueberry muffins.... .........or perhaps they could be dogging......No David, stop polluting this venerable site with your nasty little thoughts..... Thatcher can do what she wants, she'll get her just desserts for her pillaging of whole communities during her reign when she gets upstairs. Those spoor sods whose towns and villages are still suffering 20 years later....riddled with drugs and crime and unemployment. But hey, why should tory supporters worry about those unfortunate souls, they're alright. You can see them now in their ivy covered ivory castles repslendent with towers now can't you?.... drawbridge firmly up. I found it ironic when we had the marchers traipsing down the motorways towards London in support of the Countryside Alliance, they were constantly looking for support from the ordinary people. Where were they when the miners were getting a kicking from the boys in blue? getting their livelihoods taken away.....those tories were standing 10 yards behind Thatcher urging the police on... . It would be wrong to say I don't wish anyone death.....paedophiles for example I can easily make an exception for them. If I could go back through a time machine and kill Adolf and Stalin lying in their cribs I wouldn't think twice, just to save millions of people it would be worth it. As for some people on here well......they have let the site down, let themselves down and disappointed me. I know we have different opinions but the posts on this thread have gone too far. I think certain individuals, if they haven't been banned already, should come on here and apologise or get kicked off the site. As for you not being a veggie?......I am shocked. I had visions of you (steady!!....nothing like that!) with your chops round a nice Quorn burger for your tea. I saw you as very much a gold loyalty card holder for Linda's gorgeous food. IIt would not be going too far to say I am disappointed. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER MR MOGG!!......become a veggie now!.......it's the only way forward, it's good for your health. Try Buddhism too.....love, peace, yoga, meditation and tantric sex.......Stings no dummy.... Is the other Paul a veggie?
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david mitchelson:
Moggy Hello! Those men sitting outside your house aren't CIA or MI5 they are council workmen having yet another teabreak....or they could be coppers hiding away from doing their duty and stuffing their faces with Starbucks latte's and blueberry muffins.... .........or perhaps they could be dogging......No David, stop polluting this venerable site with your nasty little thoughts..... Thatcher can do what she wants, she'll get her just desserts for her pillaging of whole communities during her reign when she gets upstairs. Those spoor sods whose towns and villages are still suffering 20 years later....riddled with drugs and crime and unemployment. But hey, why should tory supporters worry about those unfortunate souls, they're alright. You can see them now in their ivy covered ivory castles repslendent with towers now can't you?.... drawbridge firmly up. I found it ironic when we had the marchers traipsing down the motorways towards London in support of the Countryside Alliance, they were constantly looking for support from the ordinary people. Where were they when the miners were getting a kicking from the boys in blue? getting their livelihoods taken away.....those tories were standing 10 yards behind Thatcher urging the police on... . It would be wrong to say I don't wish anyone death.....paedophiles for example I can easily make an exception for them. If I could go back through a time machine and kill Adolf and Stalin lying in their cribs I wouldn't think twice, just to save millions of people it would be worth it. As for some people on here well......they have let the site down, let themselves down and disappointed me. I know we have different opinions but the posts on this thread have gone too far. I think certain individuals, if they haven't been banned already, should come on here and apologise or get kicked off the site. As for you not being a veggie?......I am shocked. I had visions of you (steady!!....nothing like that!) with your chops round a nice Quorn burger for your tea. I saw you as very much a gold loyalty card holder for Linda's gorgeous food. IIt would not be going too far to say I am disappointed. GET YOUR ACT TOGETHER MR MOGG!!......become a veggie now!.......it's the only way forward, it's good for your health. Try Buddhism too.....love, peace, yoga, meditation and tantric sex.......Stings no dummy.... Is the other Paul a veggie?
..... they did have spades to lean on I agree with ( and have thought ) everything you say above ( except for one which i will come to ) Yeah those pervs who get pleasure out of killing a fox would not shead many tears over the miners or steelworkers ( see story about The Eton Rifles ) I would love to be a veggie ...i really would. I do enjoy Lindas food. Paul Weller WAS a veggie at one time , but i think hes reverted back. My one disagreement with you If this dosnt put you off Sting .......nothing will
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Moggy Ha ha.... .......where did you find that photo of me and the wife? That was taken when we were both young, lithe and sexy. Now we are just a couple of old crumblies, with a***s the size of new hampshire and we barely speak to each other. It's only a matter of time before I'm on the market again. She's gotta see through me eventually. Trouble then will be who in their right mind would take me on......I'm past my sell-by date......I couldn't even pull teeth never mind a woman. Who am kidding, I couldn't even pull George Michael on Hampstead Heath..... She cut me to the quick the other day by saying I wasn't even funny.......how to hurt me. I pride myself on being humorous, jocular and all things Ha Ha.....she just seems to find me laughable.... ......would you Adam and Eve it! Having said that......looking at the pic of Stink and his bird....if I look that good in my 50's I'll be a very happy man. At the moment I resemble Jabba. Old Trudie doll ain't an eyesore either. Question.......why am I sounding like something out of Get Carter in this post......bird, doll....?????..... Second Question......why is there some dozy Irish twonk driving a tractor with a giant leaf blower on the back blowing the leaves off the grass verges in this here country estate? What is the point of a leaf blower? It's bloody autumn, we're surrounded by thousands of trees here and there's more wind outside than at a Heinz convention. They've already blown back whilst I've been writing..... : I really need to get a life. Anyone out there got one going spare?
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Whilst many of those removed were from members trying to bring calm and reason to the situation we deemed it appropriate to remove all the posts associated.
Which was totally unecessary.....which seems to be the norm around here isn't it..... :
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In other words the Mods couldn't be ars*d to go through the lot and delete each offending post individually so they lazily deleted the whole lot. Nice!
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No, it means that peaceful posts referencing a quarrel that has since been deleted are not only redundant but they also give people involved an excuse to make it flare up again. Then there will be all the ones who come late and say, "What did I miss?" which makes another pretext to open the old wounds again.
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Bill:
No, it means that peaceful posts referencing a quarrel that has since been deleted are not only redundant but they also give people involved an excuse to make it flare up again. Then there will be all the ones who come late and say, "What did I miss?" which makes another pretext to open the old wounds again.
What did I miss? (j/k)