The ..2012.... Political thread
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EADG:
keithmestl:
EADG:
- What in the world does BP have to do with privately run philanthopic foundations? I'm comparing the federal government to [fill in the name of your favorite charity, if you have one]. 2) Who said anything about individual rights? I'm all for them, and most conservatives I know believe very strongly in individual rights. But there is a difference between individual rights and government largesse, and where to balance those two is one of the main philosophical differences between liberals and conservatives. This true for both Democrats and Republicans -- it's just that there are more conservatives in the Republican party, proportionally, so the party tends to pursue conservatives social agendas. 3) I have an ideology of selfishness and greed? Believe me, of the many thousands of people i've met in my life -- in all walks of life -- i doubt that you would find one who would describe me as selfish or greedy. I would take that as an insult, except you don't even know me so once again you're making a statement with absolutely no basis in fact. Which is the real reason I won't argue with you.
EADG, you are an island of reason in the sea of sophistry that makes up most of this thread.
Thanks. i think you'll be seeing less of me on this thread. I'm pretty busy and this is beginning to feel like a waste of time. But i'm glad you appreciated my contributions.
That's a conclusion I reached a while ago, too. I still check in now and then for a chuckle, though. One can take some consolation in the fact that the majority of the political opinions on this forum are in the minority in the general population, and becoming more so.
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keithmestl:
EADG:
keithmestl:
EADG:
- What in the world does BP have to do with privately run philanthopic foundations? I'm comparing the federal government to [fill in the name of your favorite charity, if you have one]. 2) Who said anything about individual rights? I'm all for them, and most conservatives I know believe very strongly in individual rights. But there is a difference between individual rights and government largesse, and where to balance those two is one of the main philosophical differences between liberals and conservatives. This true for both Democrats and Republicans -- it's just that there are more conservatives in the Republican party, proportionally, so the party tends to pursue conservatives social agendas. 3) I have an ideology of selfishness and greed? Believe me, of the many thousands of people i've met in my life -- in all walks of life -- i doubt that you would find one who would describe me as selfish or greedy. I would take that as an insult, except you don't even know me so once again you're making a statement with absolutely no basis in fact. Which is the real reason I won't argue with you.
EADG, you are an island of reason in the sea of sophistry that makes up most of this thread.
Thanks. i think you'll be seeing less of me on this thread. I'm pretty busy and this is beginning to feel like a waste of time. But i'm glad you appreciated my contributions.
That's a conclusion I reached a while ago, too. I still check in now and then for a chuckle, though. One can take some consolation in the fact that the majority of the political opinions on this forum are in the minority in the general population, and becoming more so.
Some of it is bizarrely entertaining. The thing that I find odd is that the Beatles had that very positive message of "all you need is love" and so forth. I know it sounds naive, but when i was a teenager their music and that message was one of the few things that made me feel that people are all fundamentally good, the world is a great place and we can all contribute something positive to it. And I have continue to believe that to this day. So now I find that some of their most loyal fans are strident, narrowminded and borderline sociopathic. For example, did you see that for a while there was some guy named Audi who kept stating that white Republicans are "pig f__ers"? (By the way, i think that's grounds for cancelling his account. But there was so much of that sort of stuff going on that I guess the "peace in the neighborhood" rules are ignored.) Oh well. Not much to be done about that sort of behavior. Take care.
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[quote="beatlechick"][quote="jaipur"][quote="SurSteven"][quote="jaipur"][quote="SurSteven"][quote="jaipur"]The indians are restless on this reservation D The nonsense of deficits....there are "two" kinds, boys and girls...structural (that has existed for umpty dump years....known as social security, medicare) to which grandchildren and great grandchildren will pay) and budget deficits (unemployment). As long as Congress keeps jerking around regarding the Bush tax cuts, businesses CANNOT hire. Because when those cuts expire, companies will need the cash they are currently stashing to pay them This is not about democrats or republican philosophy....it's about where all of us (meaning myself, the wife and others I know) are....it is a little of both......us folks in the center wink So, if liberal philosophy is the leftwing philosophy...and republicanism is right hand philosophy...and democracy is the middle and mediating point of view that it always has been..........how does... halfway between the near right and the far right..........become the center? shock lol ...it's no wonder that working people are sadly laughing at you.... Working people didn't laugh at Bill Clinton or Tony Blair....both of whom governed from the center. It's no wonder people actually laugh at you instead as that simple fact never occurred to you. ) It is us folks in the center that swing elections. Not the extremes on either end. So, "you are" a Democrat! D No I am not a democrat or a republican. One more time and do try and read for comprehension Clinton and Blair governed from the center (neither democrat or republican, nor labor or conservative). ps...please take it easy on the indians...they gave a lot more to this country than you did! shock idea ? Yes, where would we be without casinos?? D How ignorant. When was the last time you talked to Native Americans and called them indians? When was the last time you read about their various rich history and culture? They don't lose sight of who they are, where they came from like Americans have. There's good old Beatlechick again, showing her hypocrisy. Paul insults a former President at the Whitehouse with a rude and unfunny remark...its "free speech" and acceptable to her (not because she believes in free speech but because she can use the "free speech" card to defend an insult against a politician she despises) I write a non insulting, non offensive post simply stating my personal feelings about Pauls remark and I am subjected to all sorts of name calling "red neck", "racist" etc.. and told to get off the message board. Where was Beatlechick with her defense of my free speech rights? Where was Beatlechick to tell the name callers that they were "ignorant"? Answer.........NOWHERE.......Until I tried to defend myself from the attacks (without resorting to the same name calling) But somehow free speech did not apply to me....why??? Because I dared to express my opinion that it was not right for Paul to insult ANY.....repeat..... ANY President (but she looked at that as some sort of defense of Bush, rather than class and graciousness which was ALWAYS my point) So when I defended myself Beatlechick finally spoke up....against me....and in support of the name callers. Now she rides back into the boards on her high horse morally condemning another forum members remarks against native americans. Somehow I don't think Beatlechick would have been so upset if Jaipur was "ignorantly" bashing President Bush (or myself for that matter) But such is the life of a self righteous hypocrite. Carry on.
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Tallyho -- I can't tell whether people like that don't understand their own hypocricy or if they figure that if they're completly shameless and aggressive enough, they'll wear down their opponents. Either way, they are destined to fail in the grander scheme of things.
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[quote="EADG"]Tallyho -- I can't tell whether people like that don't understand their own hypocricy or if they figure that if they're completly shameless and aggressive enough, they'll wear down their opponents. Either way, they are destined to fail in the grander scheme of things. It's selective outrage. typical of the hypocrite. They never look at the big picture they only look at how the picture fits into their own little world. They then use their own personal beliefs and feelings to decide what is right or wrong but they don't have the guts to say that is what they are doing. So they hide behind morally superior terms (in their eyes) like "free speech" or "decency" or "kindness" to defend their opinion. But then moments later when they see something they disagree with then that person is not extended the same "decency" or right to an opinion. Its OK to attack and name call. As in my Whitehouse example. Had Paul or any other artist being honored chose that venue to insult President Obama I would have been just as offended and upset. And I am sure in that case Beatlechick would be behind me 100% But in her little world it is acceptable behavior because she dislikes the target of the insult. Just like when I was the target .....here on the forum for expressing my opinion....It was OK in her hypocritical eyes because I dared have an opinion contrary to hers. But then when I chose to defend myself then she saw fit to tell me to get off the board. She knows perfectly well that is exactly what happened and I am absolutely right....but remember a hypocrite can never admit they are wrong So its deny deny deny....play victim....or team up with other hypocrites on the forum to attack. So it's not a matter of them "not getting it" They do get it. But its alot easier for them to pretend they dont.
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Tallyho:
EADG:
Tallyho -- I can't tell whether people like that don't understand their own hypocricy or if they figure that if they're completly shameless and aggressive enough, they'll wear down their opponents. Either way, they are destined to fail in the grander scheme of things.
It's selective outrage. typical of the hypocrite. They never look at the big picture they only look at how the picture fits into their own little world. They then use their own personal beliefs and feelings to decide what is right or wrong but they don't have the guts to say that is what they are doing. So they hide behind morally superior terms (in their eyes) like "free speech" or "decency" or "kindness" to defend their opinion. But then moments later when they see something they disagree with then that person is not extended the same "decency" or right to an opinion. Its OK to attack and name call. As in my Whitehouse example. Had Paul or any other artist being honored chose that venue to insult President Obama I would have been just as offended and upset. And I am sure in that case Beatlechick would be behind me 100% But in her little world it is acceptable behavior because she dislikes the target of the insult. Just like when I was the target .....here on the forum for expressing my opinion....It was OK in her hypocritical eyes because I dared have an opinion contrary to hers. But then when I chose to defend myself then she saw fit to tell me to get off the board. She knows perfectly well that is exactly what happened and I am absolutely right....but remember a hypocrite can never admit they are wrong So its deny deny deny....play victim....or team up with other hypocrites on the forum to attack. So it's not a matter of them "not getting it" They do get it. But its alot easier for them to pretend they dont.
So they go through life like that. Which is what is was referring to when i said that they will fail in the grander scheme of things. Don't worry about them. Live your life and enjoy it.
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Why do popular performers think that because people enjoy their music and buy their cd's that people really want to hear there idiotic political opinions? Case in point...Paul M. and his shameless Obama worship at the Whitehouse. Music bridges the gaps between social, political and ethnic bounderies. It unites people under a common banner. What in God's name made him think he should use it as a political soap box to put down one leader and to support the lunacy of Obama? The one thing that can erase all prejuduces and he had to pollute it with politics. What a creep. I used to be a fan...no more. Anyone abusing their celebrity to poison minds to their warpped beliefs is a creep. What do you want Paul...to turn America into another enslaved nation with only two classes of people...the ultra rich and the ultra poor? Obama is the problem...he is nothing but a lying cheat and a socialist pig. He is actively seeking to destroy America and you worship him. Just play music and unite people. Quit dividing them with your shameless ignorance. Keep your stupidity to yourself. Am I the only one who sees the insanity of his preaching the religion of Obamanation?
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YAWN........
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Why do popular performers think that because people enjoy their music and buy their cd's that people really want to hear there idiotic political opinions?
The same reason you think we want to hear your idiotic political opinions? Free speech, my friend. Just because they are celebrities doesn't mean they can't voice their opinions on the matter.
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Just play music and unite people. Quit dividing them with your shameless ignorance. Keep your stupidity to yourself.
Well if you're going on that notion, perhaps you should just listen to the music and quit whining with your shameless ignorance.
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Keep your stupidity to yourself.
And the same to you.
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Now, I would be very hard-pressed to say which President is/was worse - The Usurper Bush or the Sub-Moron Obama. However, it seems that the main thrust of your post is concern that the US not become a Two-Class State. If that is, indeed, the case, you better back up about 50 years - EVERY President since Eisenhower has advanced the agenda of the Rich and Powerful Elite over We The People. Don't buy the Republicrat bullshit. As for the Obama-Worship, I have to admit: I threw up a little in my mouth. But, I felt just as queasy when Elvis shined Nixon's ego. When it comes to Musicians and Politics, there is a long and honorable history of Musicians speaking out on perceived injustices and errors. Witness the Vietnam War and the multitude of Anti-War songs from the 60's. I believe the only reason there aren't more Anti-War songs in Our current war is because the Music Industry prefers to feed US pablum from Disney. If you're going to come away from this hating somebody, just make sure you're hating the right people. Hate the Politicians - hate the Depublicans and Republicrats - hate the Rich and Powerful Elite. Because ... while you're bent over killing the messenger ...
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Democrats Scatter Monday as Obama Comes to Town 7/31/2010 10:43:51 AM ... If you think this will be a time for Democrats running for office to rally around the chief executive- -you probably haven't been following the campaigns this summer. ... complete article: http://www.11alive.com/news/local/story.aspx?storyid=148382&catid=40
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BarbB:
Why do popular performers think that because people enjoy their music and buy their cd's that people really want to hear there idiotic political opinions?
The same reason you think we want to hear your idiotic political opinions? Free speech, my friend. Just because they are celebrities doesn't mean they can't voice their opinions on the matter.
I don't think you want to hear my political opinions that's why didn't list any. Everything I listed is a political FACT. Pay attention!
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milcon1998:
Keep your stupidity to yourself.
And the same to you.
YAWN......ZZZZZZZZ!!!! You are too witty!
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Altanon:
Now, I would be very hard-pressed to say which President is/was worse - The Usurper Bush or the Sub-Moron Obama. However, it seems that the main thrust of your post is concern that the US not become a Two-Class State. If that is, indeed, the case, you better back up about 50 years - EVERY President since Eisenhower has advanced the agenda of the Rich and Powerful Elite over We The People. Don't buy the Republicrat bulls**t. As for the Obama-Worship, I have to admit: I threw up a little in my mouth. But, I felt just as queasy when Elvis shined Nixon's ego. When it comes to Musicians and Politics, there is a long and honorable history of Musicians speaking out on perceived injustices and errors. Witness the Vietnam War and the multitude of Anti-War songs from the 60's. I believe the only reason there aren't more Anti-War songs in Our current war is because the Music Industry prefers to feed US pablum from Disney. If you're going to come away from this hating somebody, just make sure you're hating the right people. Hate the Politicians - hate the Depublicans and Republicrats - hate the Rich and Powerful Elite. Because ... while you're bent over killing the messenger ...
I don't hate anybody...I'm just fed up with performers dividing people. Why can't they just play music and keep politics out of it? (Rehtorically asking) BTW, I'm not a Bush fan either. In fact I am not any sort of a politician fan. You are right though....there is a "tradition" of performers shooting their mouth off for far too long. It...in my humble opinion, is shamful.
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lol_lennon:
Just play music and unite people. Quit dividing them with your shameless ignorance. Keep your stupidity to yourself.
Well if you're going on that notion, perhaps you should just listen to the music and quit whining with your shameless ignorance.
Again...just play the music.
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magicmoon:
YAWN........
DOUBLE YAWN with a TRIPLE ZZZZZ! You too are so witty! I am amzed at your intellect!
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Why can't a performer speak out in America? Shooting your mouth off!! This must be reserved for the" exclusive" Tea Partier?