upset over new vitamin c research news but is it really true
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leafing through 'o' the oprah mag recently a 'medical news' tidbit on new vitamin c research got me in an uproar. something about vitamin c wreaking havoc on blood sugar metabolism. have been taking vitamin c supplements for many years, and there are some good things it does...but this 'new research' seems to bode ill for those with diabetes or pre diabetes. i actually took diabetes 2 oral meds along with my vitamin c tablets, lots of times, in the past year since being diagnosed. i hadn't known this disease runs in my mother's side of the family, she never told me that 'til after i was diagnosed, and then she was diagnosed with it too. but anyway, i'm hoping this new health news from oprah is bogus, as right much of hers (especially from suzanne sommers) has turned out to be. but until i find out more i'll discontinue my beloved extra vitamin c. does anyone know more about this issue?
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I don't read Oprah's magazine, but here is a quote from Science News, January 1, 2005: "Women with diabetes consuming at least 300 milligrams of vitamin C per day faced 2.3 times the risk of death from stroke and twice the risk of dying from coronary artery disease as did diabetic women who took in less of the vitamin. Such high doses are hard to achieve without taking vitamin pills." If I were you I would consult my GP and decide from there. It's a bit scary to think about getting ill from taking a vitamin!
Maybe you could just eat a couple of oranges every day and ask your GP if minor amounts of Zinc supplements would be alright. 
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There is a plan afoot to make vitamins illegal except by prescription. If you don't already know about Codex Alimentarius, you can google it, or start with this link: http://www.naturalnews.com/024128_CODEX_food_health.html Very unnerving. And I don't trust "O" magazine. It smacks of propaganda to me.
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that sounds so crazy--'all vitamins and minerals' are to be 'removed from all foods' because they are 'toxic poisons' ??? good gravy, so many people are deficient in many vitamins & minerals already, to the great detriment of their health. this makes no sense. i thought vitamins and minerals are good for you and neccessary and not harmful unless if certain ones are taken greatly in excess. this organization is trying to take over the world by controlling food?? do they want everyone but them to be sickly from lack of nutrients so they can rule? this is so bizarre and insane sounding. this really is frightening, arlene. why doesn't president obama get on this pronto and his administration know about this???.
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This is mental! Toxic poisons! They may have their affects but they're not that bad!
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SusyLuvsPaul:
that sounds so crazy--'all vitamins and minerals' are to be 'removed from all foods' because they are 'toxic poisons' ??? good gravy, so many people are deficient in many vitamins & minerals already, to the great detriment of their health. this makes no sense. i thought vitamins and minerals are good for you and neccessary and not harmful unless if certain ones are taken greatly in excess. this organization is trying to take over the world by controlling food?? do they want everyone but them to be sickly from lack of nutrients so they can rule? this is so bizarre and insane sounding. this really is frightening, arlene. why doesn't president obama get on this pronto and his administration know about this???.
Susy, I'm sure Obama and his administration know all about Codex. It's the American people who are clueless, for the most part. What I don't understand is why the people of this country don't take it upon themselves to be more informed. Have you ever seen the movie, "Idiocracy"? If we're not careful, we could end up this way!
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is this a 'conspiracy theory' sparked by paranoia, or is this 'codex' for real? i need to research and investigate this. i don't understand how all vitamins and minerals are 'removed' anyway, i know some are lost through over cooking and improper storage, etc., and the plants disintegrating or 'dying.' the writer larry mcmurtry once said he doesn't believe in the existence of vitamins. he thinks it was all fabricated. that they don't exist. now wouldn't that be something, if it were true...(is it?) i've read that 'americans have the most expensive urine in the world' (from peeing out vitamin supplements they take)
an aside: some believe all plants 'want to live' too, they don't want to be eaten, either 
and they suffer from being plucked up out of the soil, chopped up, cooked, etc. but we've got to eat something 
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It isn't that they want to remove the vitamins and minerals from the foods we eat, it's that they want to regulate the vitamin industry as they do the drug industry. Vitamins would be by prescription only. Our bodies can not exist without vitamins and minerals and most of us do not get them in the foods we eat every day, so we take vitamins to supplement our intake. It's just another way the drug industry and the government can make money off of the consumer.
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thanks, sage, arlene, everyone...since stopping so much extra vitamin c, i've gotten the first cold (not a bad one though) i've had in at least six or seven years
don't want to sound like a hypochondriac or obsessed with my health, i'm not. but this is a stone drag 
i've tried to restrict 'c' intake to below 300 mg. and this is what happened. bummer -
SusyLuvsPaul:
is this a 'conspiracy theory' sparked by paranoia, or is this 'codex' for real? i need to research and investigate this. i don't understand how all vitamins and minerals are 'removed' anyway, i know some are lost through over cooking and improper storage, etc., and the plants disintegrating or 'dying.' the writer larry mcmurtry once said he doesn't believe in the existence of vitamins. he thinks it was all fabricated. that they don't exist. now wouldn't that be something, if it were true...(is it?) i've read that 'americans have the most expensive urine in the world' (from peeing out vitamin supplements they take)
an aside: some believe all plants 'want to live' too, they don't want to be eaten, either and they suffer from being plucked up out of the soil, chopped up, cooked, etc. but we've got to eat something : I love Genesis 1:29. It states all we ever need to know about nutrition. New International Version (
1984) Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. New Living Translation (2007) Then God said, "Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. English Standard Version (2001) And God said, ?Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. The removal of life force from what we ingest is indeed the greatest conspiracy ever used agianst mankind. When we stop killing, we'll stop dying. Plants aren't sentient beings. Big difference. David Wolfe is one of the world's biggest advocates of a living (raw) diet. Everyone should read some of his work. He's got it right. Eating dead matter isn't what we should be doing - we should be ingesting life force. Plants give themselves freely, unlike a fish with a hook in it's mouth. If you putt an infant and a lamb on a desert island together to grow up, the infant would NEVER eat the lamb, nor would the lamb eat the child. Plants give themselves as compost quite naturally. -
tony conley:
SusyLuvsPaul:
is this a 'conspiracy theory' sparked by paranoia, or is this 'codex' for real? i need to research and investigate this. i don't understand how all vitamins and minerals are 'removed' anyway, i know some are lost through over cooking and improper storage, etc., and the plants disintegrating or 'dying.' the writer larry mcmurtry once said he doesn't believe in the existence of vitamins. he thinks it was all fabricated. that they don't exist. now wouldn't that be something, if it were true...(is it?) i've read that 'americans have the most expensive urine in the world' (from peeing out vitamin supplements they take)
an aside: some believe all plants 'want to live' too, they don't want to be eaten, either and they suffer from being plucked up out of the soil, chopped up, cooked, etc. but we've got to eat something : I love Genesis 1:29. It states all we ever need to know about nutrition. New International Version (
1984) Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. New Living Translation (2007) Then God said, "Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. English Standard Version (2001) And God said, ?Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. The removal of life force from what we ingest is indeed the greatest conspiracy ever used agianst mankind. When we stop killing, we'll stop dying. Plants aren't sentient beings. Big difference. David Wolfe is one of the world's biggest advocates of a living (raw) diet. Everyone should read some of his work. He's got it right. Eating dead matter isn't what we should be doing - we should be ingesting life force. Plants give themselves freely, unlike a fish with a hook in it's mouth. If you putt an infant and a lamb on a desert island together to grow up, the infant would NEVER eat the lamb, nor would the lamb eat the child. Plants give themselves as compost quite naturally.You make some excellent points, Tony. And as a footnote, I would add that Monsanto is trying to play God.
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I had a genetics professor who cautioned against the use of pills, she commented even vitamin pills can be teratogenic (cause mutations in growing embryos/foetuses). I annoyed my doctors when pregnant because I didn't want to take vitamin supplements, but my kids were born extremely healthy, still are, do well at school etc. Vitamins and nutrients are vital though! I'm not as careful now, but when pregnant I had a list of food to eat and meticulously ticked things off every day to make sure I got everything I needed naturally. Later I took the toddling kids out to the garden, they munched on fresh peas and beans and grew to love vegetables. I have no problems getting them to eat all kinds of vegetables. When they see it growing, and can nibble and get yummy treats, it develops life-long habits I think. I have mixed feelings about supplements added to foods, like boxed cereals. I wasn't into those when pregnant, I do eat them now, they're so convenient. Someone I know has a child who got goiter -- a disease that used to be common before iodine was added to table salt. I'm not sure if health foods like sea salt have iodine in them? We do have to watch we get everything we need from somewhere. Vitamin C sure does seem to hold off colds! Wild strawberry leaves, according to a wild food book I have, has medicinal quantities of vitamin C. (It didn't specify how many leaves). I add them to herb tea. In general, I prefer to get vitamins from sources where they're in their natural chemical combinations. However, for medicines from herbs it can be dangerous to just take the herb, you have to know exactly how much, and in some cases, it's better to remove other toxins from the plant in a lab. I'm not against science at all! As long as we're careful that we really understand, science brings progress and improvement. Nature is so complex though that for now I prefer to mostly go with foods as they grow. (foods, not herbal medicines). My mother always said "everything in moderation," and I've found it to be so true, for foods and life in general. Vitamin C helps iron absorption, but too much is toxic...
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Vitamin C is very important with collagen production and promoting good wound healing (in addition to the already mentioned benefits in fighting various illnesses). Too much vitamin C can slow down your GI motility and cause constipation... This is how it's always been taught and given that I'm a brand new (freshman-started in January) ADN student nurse, if there had been any new discoveries, it would've surely been mentioned at some point during our lectures.
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thank goodness for Vitamins and Minerals. after 25 some yrs of taking time to make myself healthier, I have discovered, that your either in an" Acidotic state, or an Alacalotic state. in your metabolism. so it is best to be in an alcolotic state. where you feel great in body mind and soul. with lots of energy, naturally. using aeromatic oils as well. Acidosis, make you feel soo sluggish, and generaly Bad! to much bread can do that. this is from my experiances only. so I do all natural foods. it can get expensive, but it is much healthier. I found that eating "Processed foods" is very Bad for me to consume. learned at in the 70's. processed food, altho yummy, can make you feel very bloated and generally feeling Horrid. and then I am allergic to those kinds of foods. so I keep it simple, Garlic, avocados, onions, veggies, proteins, and using Vitamins, and minerals and herbs, can really make your day. I even do the Acupuncture for complete balance of the mind spirit and body to. needles put in the right"Meridians" can make you feel great! and most important- Meditations. 30 min to connect, to where you can let go of those issues, you don't need anymore. and find out what is coming thru your new door too can you relate?
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I love Genesis 1:29. It states all we ever need to know about nutrition. New International Version (
1984) Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. New Living Translation (2007) Then God said, "Look! I have given you every seed-bearing plant throughout the earth and all the fruit trees for your food. English Standard Version (2001) And God said, ?Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food. The removal of life force from what we ingest is indeed the greatest conspiracy ever used agianst mankind. When we stop killing, we'll stop dying. Plants aren't sentient beings. Big difference. David Wolfe is one of the world's biggest advocates of a living (raw) diet. Everyone should read some of his work. He's got it right. Eating dead matter isn't what we should be doing - we should be ingesting life force. Plants give themselves freely, unlike a fish with a hook in it's mouth. If you putt an infant and a lamb on a desert island together to grow up, the infant would NEVER eat the lamb, nor would the lamb eat the child. Plants give themselves as compost quite naturally. Genesis also says a 600 year old man built a 200 foot boat for over 2 million animals and they lived there for a year. Eating animals isn't killing us. We did it successfully for about 3 billion years. It's what we are doing to those animals before we eat them that is killing us. -
If you eat a healthy balanced diet, you should be getting your basic nutritional requirements fulfilled. You don't need oodles of Vit. C every day. But govt daily recommendations vary depending on region to region. http://www.ajfand.net/Issue-VIII-files/pdfs/AJFAND%20Vol%205%20No%201%20Peer%20Reviewed%20Article%20No%206.pdf Many foods like strawberries, oranges, and even potatoes (esp sweet) have vitamin C in them. Foods tend to lose nutritional effect during processing though. Try to make your own foods and steam or eat raw veggies and fruits when possible to decrease losses. Avoid commercially processed, esp. canned foods and try to make your own. Many commercial products are too high in salt and preservatives. Use whole grains, reducing white grains as much as possible, perhaps only as an occasional empty calorie "treat." I say empty calorie, because that's what processed flours are. High calories with low nutritional benefits. Use variety in your diet. Traditional one-types of foods have been associated with metabolic conditions, such as traditional beans and rice found to be associated metabolic syndrome amongst Puerto Rican older adults. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?SEQ_NO_115=239065 The following is a study (on mice) showing supplemental Vit c did was not shown to be effective protection against gastric Cancer, although Low Vit C in humans is associated with gastric cancer and more severe H-pylori gastritis. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=217763 High vitamin C intake is associated with lower bone loss in elderly men. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/publications.htm?seq_no_115=227719 USDA research suggests taking Vit C supp (and E) are safe. http://www.ars.usda.gov/research/publications/Publications.htm?seq_no_115=181421 BUT--because I'm trying to be objective and fair, JAMA did a study on potential mortality rates related to antioxidant intakes. In Conclusion they stated: "We did not find convincing evidence that antioxidant supplements have beneficial effects on mortality. Even more, beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E seem to increase the risk of death. Further randomized trials are needed to establish the effects of vitamin C and selenium." http://jama.ama-assn.org/cgi/content/full/297/8/842 These are mainly 2005-2007, keep in mind. Now, according to Oprah, you can "shake, shake shake" a liquid diet and lose pounds of fat. Then she bloats up like a dead dog on the side of the road. So she goes on another fad diet. Then bloats back up. And another, and another...bloat, bloat. FADS DON'T WORK! I have worked with doctors that prescribe Vit C drips on their patients while in the ICU. It creates havoc when you have a patient that only has one good vein and most meds can not be mixed with the drip. If you do feel as if you're not getting enough from your foods and are worried about whether you should take supplements, don't use Oprah or any other Hollywood spangled person as your guide. Call your doctor. Don't allow yourself to stress out about something you're unsure about. Too much stress is bad for your health too. Too much of anything can be toxic, but inefficient amounts are unhealthy too.
