Paul McCartney has officially become an oldies act.
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DavidP:
PHILLIP:
DavidP:
PHILLIP:
DavidP:
PHILLIP:
left hand man:
I don't think anyone is complaining about McCartney actually touring, the question is why the same basic songs over and over and over, year after year after year??
Pete Townsend said it best, "McCartney likes to rest on his laurels."
And when exactly did he say that? From which interview? Do you have a link? I have followed Pete's career fairly closely I have never heard him mention that. Perhaps he did. Recording 36 albums since the break up of the Beatles isn't exactly resting on his laurels.
Do your homework david or whoever, I'm sure you will find it.
You are the one who made the statement. Back it up!
You're the one who said you follows Pete's career closely, maybe not as closely as you brag. I'll give you a hint. It was in Rolling Stone. Now get busy Mr. Know it all, there are lots of past issue to look through. Go on.... get busy.
I am not going to play games with you! If you know it, then post it, if not then shut the F--- up!
I think you forget to take your anti-hissy fit medication. and watch your language on the board, Mr. Immature.
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PHILLIP:
DavidP:
PHILLIP:
DavidP:
PHILLIP:
DavidP:
PHILLIP:
left hand man:
I don't think anyone is complaining about McCartney actually touring, the question is why the same basic songs over and over and over, year after year after year??
Pete Townsend said it best, "McCartney likes to rest on his laurels."
And when exactly did he say that? From which interview? Do you have a link? I have followed Pete's career fairly closely I have never heard him mention that. Perhaps he did. Recording 36 albums since the break up of the Beatles isn't exactly resting on his laurels.
Do your homework david or whoever, I'm sure you will find it.
You are the one who made the statement. Back it up!
You're the one who said you follows Pete's career closely, maybe not as closely as you brag. I'll give you a hint. It was in Rolling Stone. Now get busy Mr. Know it all, there are lots of past issue to look through. Go on.... get busy.
I am not going to play games with you! If you know it, then post it, if not then shut the F--- up!
I think you forget to take your anti-hissy fit medication. and watch your language on the board, Mr. Immature.
I thoroughly enjoyed your 3,138th post. I bow to the mighty Phillip!
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You guys are like a couple of little poopy-butt goo-goo-babies yelling over the back fence, sticking yer bums up at each other and making farting noises!! Your stupid immaturity is clogging up space! Why don't you guys go beddy-bye and let the big people use the computer now? : I wouldn't put too musch stock in what that child-porn pervo Townshend thinks...
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For everyone that wants to see McCartney's Beatle heavy shows, they are very well docuemented on VHS and DVD. DavidP, I have read reviews complaining about the predictability of McCartney's Setlist, here's an example. mikeskapla Do people really think they will chase Paul off stage if he replaced obscure barely known Beatle songs like "I'll Get You" for bonafide blockbuster #1 hits like With a Little Luck, Listen to what the Man Said, etc. Did I miss something and Paul's solo career was a complete bomb as opposed to him being one of the biggest hitmakers on the planet? I'll take another crack at this point, everytime I do I get hit so I'll say this in advance It's kind of weird I think all those that get offended when people make suggestions or disagree some with Paul's approach to concerts. If people think Paul is doing his tours perfectly, good for them, their opinion is just as valid but not more so than people who would like changes. And no I don't think its some sort of disloyalty to Paul if you disagree with his set list or that you are a truer fan if you eat up everything he does without question. I seriously doubt if I ran into Paul on the street, and I told him I'd love to hear more Wings stuff in concert -- he's think those damn Wing fan idiots, they aren't my true fans, its those that want to hear Let It Be and Hey Jude -- they are what I call my true blue fans. Having said all that. I'll run with Paul's articulated thoughts on what he wants to do in a show. He wants to give people the hits. He likes to say when people come to his shows they expect to hear the big songs. He also wants to give a broad perspective of his career and give a few oddies to those hardcore fans like us. Now I really doubt when people come to a Paul McCartney show they are expecting I"ll Get You, In Spite of All the Danger, Till There Was You, C-Moon, Let Me Roll It. In terms of hits With A Little Luck #1 hit never been done in a major tour Ditto Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey#1 hit, never done Listen to What the Man Said -- #1 hit not done since 76 Silly Love Songs -- #1 hit not done since 76 Top 10 hits never done in a major tour Helen Wheels, No More Lonley Nights, Juniors Farm, Take It Away, Goodnight Tonight I really can't see people coming to his shows and saying look its a Paul McCartney show I want to hear In Spite of All the Danger and I know that song not that obscure Listen To What the Man Says song. Or they say thankfully, he does Let Me Roll It on practically every tour becuase fans will be missing out -- who wants to hear any other track off of Band on the Run like 1985 or a hit like Helen Wheels, yuk! It's Let Me Roll It or nothing. And yeah C-Moon is the quientesential track from his Wings period, everyone knows that one, not Silly Love Songs, or Listen to what the Man Says. It's that sort of stuff that's puzziling to me. And yeah I know to some its sacriledge to question Paul's set list. For some weird reason we get hit basically for the idea that since we appreciate more of his catalogue then he puts out in concert, it means that we aren't as big a fan. Becauase his big fans should just suck it up and appreciate everything he throws at us. Look I can just as easy if not easier make the case that we are the bigger fans because we appreciate Paul's whole solo career, not just Paul the Beatle. And yeah I appreciate seeing him in concert. I love Paul's shows and I just think they can be even more special where he can cater to his hard core fans without losing his more causal ones. I am not talking about him doing Letting Go instead of Let It Be. But why not With A Little Luck (and BIG Wings hits) over obscure Beatle songs like I'll Get You? Look i am not even asking him to do what MOST major concert acts do like the Stones, Springsteen, and U2 and change things up in the middle of the tour and keep things spicy. Just do some big Wings hits, mix it up. Band on the Run is a classic album. And there are other tracks on that album for example that stand out, it wasn't just Let Me Roll It. Ditto for example with Flaming Pie, great album Looks like Calico Skies is going to be coming for a round 2 and maybe the title track Flaming Pie as well. OK, decent songs. But those weren't the singles -- the singles were World Tonight, Young Boy, Beautiful Night. If you do Flaming Pie one tour, why not Somedays or Young Boy, etc the next one. If you are going to give the obscure fans a nugget like Let Me Roll It or C-Moon or a track from Flaming Pie. Why repeat the same nugget in the next tour or so, why not give a new one? It seems like he does just that with his Beatle songs but not with his Wings/solo stuff. That to me is the odd thing about Paul's tours compared to what most artists do. And yeah look i am going to go anyway, great shows, I just think they can be made more special if Paul embraced variety. Part of (in my opinion) what makes Paul's albums so special is he's eclectic and brings variety -- so it suprises me that on tour he's one of the more predictable artists. Great shows but predictable. And there is a context to my point, I have seen a ton of concerts so am making apples to apples comparisons to other big artists. And the larger point is it would be very easy for him to break the many years of predictability. This is one of the best post I've ever read on the subject of McCartney changing his setlist, as I said people are really commenting on the predictability and repetitiveness of McCartney's setlist. It's truly time for a change!
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I realize this is totally off topic, but Pete Townsend is NOT a pedophile. His name has been completely cleared. You may not care for what he has to say, but accusing him for something he's not guilty of is not cool.
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jacden:
I realize this is totally off topic, but Pete Townsend is NOT a pedophile. His name has been completely cleared. You may not care for what he has to say, but accusing him for something he's not guilty of is not cool.
And you are indeed correct, as far as the letter of the law goes, BUT.... I found his story rather unbeleivable that he was simply doing research for a novel or something, which is why he was veiwing child porn on his home computer........????? He may not be a pedophile, but he probably is a bit of a pervert. There is simply no excuse for ANYONE to look at child porn (except for those in law enforcement who have the task of trying to rescue these children, and bring these disgusting criminals to justice). Townshend made a mistake, and hopefully he's moved on, and if he has, then that is a good thing. As much as I love his music, and think that Empty Glass, All The Best Cowboys Have Chinese Eyes and White City are terrific albums, I still can't help but feel a slight twinge everytime I hear them. I had always wished for Paul McCartney and Pete Townshend to have collaborated on some new songs together. That would have been an awesome pairing of two musical geniuses.
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JanetCoop:
You guys are like a couple of little poopy-butt goo-goo-babies yelling over the back fence, sticking yer bums up at each other and making farting noises!! Your stupid immaturity is clogging up space! Why don't you guys go beddy-bye and let the big people use the computer now? : I wouldn't put too musch stock in what that child-porn pervo Townshend thinks...
Point taken. Thanks. But Phillip started it, he's a big meanie!!!!!
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Here For An Argument? Please visit this thread: http://macca.paulmccartney.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=67537
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DavidP:
jacden:
I realize this is totally off topic, but Pete Townsend is NOT a pedophile. His name has been completely cleared. You may not care for what he has to say, but accusing him for something he's not guilty of is not cool.
And you are indeed correct, as far as the letter of the law goes, BUT.... I found his story rather unbeleivable that he was simply doing research for a novel or something, which is why he was veiwing child porn on his home computer........????? He may not be a pedophile, but he probably is a bit of a pervert. There is simply no excuse for ANYONE to look at child porn (except for those in law enforcement who have the task of trying to rescue these children, and bring these disgusting criminals to justice). Townshend made a mistake, and hopefully he's moved on, and if he has, then that is a good thing.
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, considering he called the proper authorities immediately.
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jacden:
DavidP:
jacden:
I realize this is totally off topic, but Pete Townsend is NOT a pedophile. His name has been completely cleared. You may not care for what he has to say, but accusing him for something he's not guilty of is not cool.
And you are indeed correct, as far as the letter of the law goes, BUT.... I found his story rather unbeleivable that he was simply doing research for a novel or something, which is why he was veiwing child porn on his home computer........????? He may not be a pedophile, but he probably is a bit of a pervert. There is simply no excuse for ANYONE to look at child porn (except for those in law enforcement who have the task of trying to rescue these children, and bring these disgusting criminals to justice). Townshend made a mistake, and hopefully he's moved on, and if he has, then that is a good thing.
I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt, considering he called the proper authorities immediately.
But only after his name had already been mentioned in the media.
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I advise anyone interested in the charges against Pete Townshend to go to Wikipedia. There's a very good and detailed write-up concerning the charges made against him and the following events. And those will be my final words about this matter here. This is a Paul McCartney forum, after all.
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Back to the original topic. I do NOT think McCartney has become an oldies act, and neither has Townshend/The Who. Would still love to see these two work together.
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BOYCIE:
Hi Suzy,i have seen Paul 6 times and the only time i have seen people less enthusiastic for a song tends to be a brand new song.Over the last 20 years Paul's albums haven't sold like they did in the '70's and early '80's,so the audience are generally unfamiliar with anything past '83.So if Paul tours a album the songs from that album go down poorly compared to the "oldies".
I actually thought "Fine Line" got a pretty good reaction and I saw McCartney in Tampa and NY. I think MAF songs would grab the audience attention especially "Only Mama Knows" and "House of Wax" if he does them on a tour.
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Yeah, and his concerts just keep getting bigger and he just keeps getting more famous. Some "oldies act"!!
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LOL, you got that right...keeps getting bigger & bigger, more & more in demand just about everywhere...must be a big thrill for him, it sure is for the audience & music lovers! Not just concert audiences. Listeners to his CDs & whatnot, too
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The set list from last show as was written in another thread: 1. Jet - Wings 2. Drive My Car - Beatles 3. Only Mama Knows - Paul 4. All My Loving - Beatles 5. Flaming Pie - Paul 6. Got To Get You Into My Life - Beatles 7. Let Me Roll It - Wings 8. C Moon - Wings 9. My Love - Wings 10. Let Em In - Wings 11. Fine Line - Paul 12. The Long And Winding Road - Beatles 13. Dance Tonight - Paul 14. Blackbird - Beatles 15. Calico Skies - Paul 16. Follow The Sun -Beatles 17. Michelle - Beatles 18. Mrs Vanderbilt - Wings 19. Eleanor Rigby - Beatles 20. Something - Beatles 21. A Day In A Life / Give Peace a Chance - Beatles / John 22. Good Day Sunshine - Beatles 23. Too Many People / Bathroom Window - Paul / Beatles 24. Penny Lane - Beatles 25. Band On The Run - Wings 26. Birthday - Beatles 27. Back In The USSR - Beatles 28. I Got A Feeling - Beatles 29. Live And Let Die - Wings 30. Let It Be - Beatles 31. Hey Jude - Beatles 32. Lady Madonna - Beatles 33. Get Back - Beatles 34. I Saw Her Standing There - Beatles 35. Yesterday - Beatles 36.Sgt. Peppers- Beatles Here's the problem. Lets say I really dig Paul solo wings,career mainly 1977-2008 period Lets say in 3 weeks I'm going to see Paul live show ! (which is true). Great, That should mean that I would be able to see his biggest songs from the 1977-2008 period during the show, but...only 5 songs ! from a period of 30 years will be presented on the show, 2 from MAF and only 3 from 1977-2005. does it make sense that an artist will only perform 5 songs out of 36 songs from the last 30 years ?!? He ignores almost completely almost 70% of his total career years (including the beatles) in which he was very active. If I'd like to see these songs from the last 30 years live, Paul mccartney show will not supply it, It's a shame, the man is performing, he had great songs and big hits over this period and we still can't watch them live. Isn't it sad that we most probably won't hear pipes of peace live ? this songs wasn't performed even once live ! Isn't it a shame that 99% of songs from last 30 years, won't be performed live ? Listening at home is one thing and going to the show is another thing, that's is why people are willing to pay such sums in order to experience a show. yes, it's an oldies act, a great oldies act but still, this is what it is. one can't ignore that facts, 31 of 36 songs are from 1963 to 1976, that's an oldies show. Consider this, Paul could at 1976 create a set list very similar to the current set list . The fact is that fans who loves paul mainly because of his the Beatles period would have the chance to see all the big songs live. fans who who mainly (like me) prefers paul solo career, and really like the 1976 to now days period won't have the chance to hear the big songs and big hits. MULL OF KENTYRE, a bigger hit in the UK than all the Beatles songs isn't performed live, why ? Sure, Paul live show is great, I'm can't wait to see him in 3 weeks, But I really think that now only for paul solo career fans, but for his sake too, A show with a bigger emphasis on his solo career would present him better and in places like Israel when most of the 60,000 people who would come know mainly his Beatles songs, it would give them a chance to see how great was his solo career and that paul isn't only that guy from the Beatles. If I wouldn't know paul solo career that well and I'd go to his live show, I'll keep on holding this thought "yes, Paul is that guy from the Beatles, how great they were !". Another point: OK, lets say that is perfectly ok that 23 songs of the show are Beatles songs and only 13 are from 1970 on. On the last third of the show, look at the last 10 songs, which in every show is the climax of the show and the artist brings out the heavy guns, only one of the 10 songs isn't a beatles tune ! even when Paul throws here and there a solo/wings songs, he does it till the last part on the show, and from then on, the climax , the last 10 songs, is all Beatles tunes (only "live and let die appear in there). So what paul is saying here, that the biggest songs he wrote which are suitable for climax of a show are only his Beatles songs ? third of the solo his wings/solo career songs, yet only 1/10 ! of the last ten songs is a song from his wings period. Strange, isn't it ? I do not complain only for us, I really think that for Paul it would be better to include more songs or at least give his wings/solo songs a bigger weight, this way when these songs end after 23,24 songs, one has the feeling that the most important part of the show consists only of Beatles material. When you put all of your solo songs in the beginning - to middle set list position that means that you think that the aren't suitable to end up a show, there only good for the build up, when the tension isn't yet very high.
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To me McCartney's live legacy will be that he leaned too heavily on the Beatles! He still has the chance to do something about it, but if he doesn't, his later live performance years to me will be a huge dissapointment!
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Somebody from Israel said the Beatles are huge there, overwhelmingly popular...so if he went there & did mainly his solo stuff & Wings stuff, what would happen, would they still love it (which they should), or would he bomb & fall flat on his face & be the target of tomatoes?...obviously he wants to give them what they want, he's a master showman. It would be quite a novelty for him to look out & see a restless dissatisfied audience. He doesn't seem keen on the possibility. He never has. He's been called a people pleaser in many beatles books. Mr. Personality & quite charming & vivacious. You can hear the enthusiasm, love for music (especially his own songs, naturally!) and vivacity in his singing. He feels he must deliver the most popular & universally beloved songs in his repetoire so people won't be disappointed they didn't get to hear those big hits in person.
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Susy, that's understood, but how long is McCartney expected to just keep dragging out the same basic songs, for the rest of his life? Everywhere he goes he has to sing the same songs over and over and over, boooorinng!! That sounds like musical prison to me!
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I can understand Paul playing a lot of Beatle songs at the big one off shows in these unique environments,but i think once he hits the UK or US he can be braver.Paul keeps trotting out the line about playing hits,if this was the case he'd play Mull Of Kintyre in the UK as it's his bestselling single ever, including any Beatle single.As been said by myself and Left Hand Man,there are plenty of Wings hits that have not seen the light of day for 30 years or longer,and mostly top ten too.Please tell me is Follow The Sun better than Listen To What The Man Said,Helen Wheels,Junior's Farm and Hi Hi Hi,clearly it is not,it's a trifle in Paul's oeuvre'.I'm not saying throw out the Beatles stuff just a better balanced set, and avoid what he managed to get away from in the '70's a "nostalgia act".I know it's tough to get away from being seen as a oldies act when you have had a 46 year career,but playing so many Beatle songs gives the impression that your post group phase was a complete waste of time,which it hasn't been.