Horses May Be Slaughtered For Human Consumption
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simplyrahil:
21st Century Paul:
I said eating less meat
what's the valid excuse to eat NO ANIMAL? the logic is there. i posed this to you in my original comment. if it is valid to eat 'less' then why stop at 'less' and not totally stop eating animals. the reasons are all there apart from moral reasons. there is NO GOOD reason to eat animals. well, even if you're point is 100 % right, sudden changes are not good for a person. I eat less meat every day but I don't believe in people changing his diet or whatever habit in 24 hours, unless there's no other option
21st Century Paul:
You won't find me cutting the throat of a horse
sure, but you have no problem PAYING for it. and THAT's the point. paying for it perpetuates this needless murder of animals (whether it be horse, cow, chicken, goat, pig) which is wrong on so many levels. yes, the point is I have no problem at all, just like I pay to get some service or goods that involve cruelty. And you do too, I guess. Why on Earth? Because we just aren't able to avoid it. Just like the horse can't escape from there, so we. I have some needs, ok, the way things are I just can't help to get it that way... It's even easier... I pay taxes to a government I don't like AT ALL, the one who does the opposite of what I believe it should be done. Can it get worse than that? I would never support them if I could choose but I'm like the horse. And a bigger point is that the one cutting the throat of the horse is probably doing that because he can't escape from doing that (and also the politicians I don't like). So I don't "judge" anyone. We're all doing what we can or so. I've found that the "shame on you" tactic when someone is doing something he can't help to do is not good at all. They will probably feel worse and get more powerless, so you're not helping them at all. It's like, "so you're overweight, shame on you!" "so you smoke and can't stop smoking, shame on you!" I'm not with that. Now, I'm not saying "Shame on you" because of doing that. I understand you.
21st Century Paul:
And that includes people, we're some kind of animal.
indeed and there are these PEOPLE who sell you that which is poison to the human system (apart from the moral aspect). are they treating PEOPLE kindly by doing that? no. so those who are urging you all to stop eating animals are actually compassionate to humans as well, for this consumption of flesh (not my opinion - backed up by worldwide known medical studies) is detrimental to one's health. THAT is 21st century. so apart from killing the animals, people are killing themselves, yet dare to bring up 'kindness to humans' as an excuse for those who defend animals' lives to not tell you all the facts about it. and you speak of 'kindness to humans' do you know the impact the slaughter of animals industry has on the water resources, vegetation, food supplies to many populations worldwide due to the savage business? you speak of 21st century, get educated on these FACTS, get with the times. THEN you can speak of 'kindness to humans' also as a retort to people defending animals. paying for the killing of animals industry perpetuates not only animal suffering but human suffering as well. that is hardly KIND.
:do you know the impact the slaughter of animals industry has on the water resources, vegetation, food supplies to many populations worldwide due to the savage business?
YES, I DO, but you don't see it. And you forget pollution. I wrote a song about all that years ago, and that's a FACT. I'm pretty educated in all that. You often see it all like right or wrong or kind and unkind. Virtually anything is partially kind and partially unkind. Yin and yan, and all that. No matter what you do. There's no way of being 100 % kind, and most importantly we shouldn't be 100 % kind. We must be egoist too, not 100 % egoist, but egoism is needed to get moving. You can't do everything for others, whether people or animals or anything. For a start, you wouldn't even eat (anything) if you weren't a little bit egoist. It's like the "nice guy" vs the "bad guy", both things are wrong.
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hey_kittay:
I do agree however, that how a human treats his/her fellow humans or what some view as 'lesser animals,' is a true measure of their spiritual evolution on this physical plane of existance.
Peace & Love!and not only the animals... anything that is somehow in a vulnerable position... I think it was Lennon (or Gandhi?) who said that "behind any opression there is the opression of women and then is the opression of children" Peace and Love... and Freedom too!
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Horsemeat found once again! http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/08/world/europe/uk-horsemeat-probe/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 well, at least the USA knows where all it's wild horses have gone. And the other poor horses no one wanted anymore...
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simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
and I have no guilt. I long ago stopped feeling that emotion and don't anymore.
ah that would explain A LOT please have that checked out.. one of the symptoms of a known mental disorder 'psychopathy' is 'lack of guilt'..
You are such a rude and obnoxious person i am surprised you have any friends or relationships with anyone!
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Boggle:
simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
and I have no guilt. I long ago stopped feeling that emotion and don't anymore.
ah that would explain A LOT please have that checked out.. one of the symptoms of a known mental disorder 'psychopathy' is 'lack of guilt'..
You are such a rude and obnoxious person i am surprised you have any friends or relationships with anyone!
funny, that's the impression i got about you. but i'm not surprised. you don't openly state that you do not care a thing about innocent animals, so i put no expectation beyond such callous nature..
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Boggle:
simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
and I have no guilt. I long ago stopped feeling that emotion and don't anymore.
ah that would explain A LOT please have that checked out.. one of the symptoms of a known mental disorder 'psychopathy' is 'lack of guilt'..
You are such a rude and obnoxious person i am surprised you have any friends or relationships with anyone!
@Boggle... "Rude and obnoxious" people are the ones, such as you, who are condoning and supporting the massive abuse, pain, terror and death innocent animals are subjected to, for absolutely NO good reason....other than your selfish greed and addiction to the taste of meat. The rest of us are vegans.....you can call us anything you want....we won't stand down and watch the rest of you act like barbaric cavemen/cavewomen any longer... We WILL stand up for what is morally right...even if we have to stand alone. We have seen the pits of hell that animals go through in video, picture and real time form, and that is the real tragedy in this...no matter how much meat eaters try to make themselves out to be the "wounded" ones..... Your excuses are weak and we've grown tired of hearing them.... We're here for the animals, the voiceless, the beings treated as commodities by humans who lack the ability to see anything but their own desires.... Ending an animals life, solely because you like the way he/she tastes, will always be the most pathetic excuse to do so... Always.
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Dierdra:
Boggle:
simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
and I have no guilt. I long ago stopped feeling that emotion and don't anymore.
ah that would explain A LOT please have that checked out.. one of the symptoms of a known mental disorder 'psychopathy' is 'lack of guilt'..
You are such a rude and obnoxious person i am surprised you have any friends or relationships with anyone!
@Boggle... "Rude and obnoxious" people are the ones, such as you, who are condoning and supporting the massive abuse, pain, terror and death innocent animals are subjected to, for absolutely NO good reason....other than your selfish greed and addiction to the taste of meat. The rest of us are vegans.....you can call us anything you want....we won't stand down and watch the rest of you act like barbaric cavemen/cavewomen any longer... We WILL stand up for what is morally right...even if we have to stand alone. We have seen the pits of hell that animals go through in video, picture and real time form, and that is the real tragedy in this...no matter how much meat eaters try to make themselves out to be the "wounded" ones..... Your excuses are weak and we've grown tired of hearing them.... We're here for the animals, the voiceless, the beings treated as commodities by humans who lack the ability to see anything but their own desires.... Ending an animals life, solely because you like the way he/she tastes, will always be the most pathetic excuse to do so... Always.
I don't know why you keep on saying i am making excuses, i am not making any. I EAT MEAT, I LOVE EATING MEAT, I AM A MEAT EATER and am pleased i do!. And i make no excuses for it because i don't need any! I don't call Vegetarians or Vegans any names and don't slag them off for their beliefs and i certainly don't say that people that don't agree with me have mental problems! If you want to be obsessed, defensive and continually get stressed over people with different beliefs to yours, then that is fine but i really don't care what you think of me. I live my life as i want to and short of meat being banned which it never will, nothing will stop me eating it, so you are wasting your time!
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Mod Post Some arguments are perennial - there cannot be any resolution. This look like a good example. As we cannot accept personal abuse to arrest considered fact based discussion, it seems like a good time for recent posters to withdraw from this debate. Agree to disagree and move on from the debate. Unless you can discuss the issues without making personal comments and posting to cause controversy? This topic may receive moderation of past and future posts if this request is not respected. Thank you Martin
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Dear martinput, regarding your statements, i respectfully have some inquiries:
martinput:
Mod Post As we cannot accept personal abuse to arrest considered fact based discussion, it seems like a good time for recent posters to withdraw from this debate.
i am not sure i understand what you mean by it being a 'good time for recent posters to withdraw from this debate' have any 'recent posters' broken any forum rules or other etiquette rules? i haven't seen any such breach, so what good reason is there for anyone to stop posting, regardless of 'whoever becomes convinced or not?..
martinput:
Unless you can discuss the issues without making personal comments and posting to cause controversy
with all due respect, as far as i have observed, the only individuals who have made 'personal comments' or 'post to cause controversy' were not any of those defending the animals' rights... i am just saying that it may be more productive to be more specific regarding who is being addressed and for what exact instances of offense, so that no one participating honestly would be unduly put off from continuing to post... thank you.
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I cried after reading this article about the USDA going to approve a Horse Slaughterhouse here in the USA. I cannot stop it alone. I wonder why people who don't support this don't get together and fight it? http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/01/business/usda-may-approve-horse-slaughter-plant.html?_r=0
Bless the Horses! -
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simplyrahil:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601625_10151328569924077_1337613352_n.jpg
Love that cartoon, but it is a sad truth.
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hey_kittay:
simplyrahil:
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601625_10151328569924077_1337613352_n.jpg
Love that cartoon, but it is a sad truth.
indeed..
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Although this approach is presented in humor, it should give all of us something to think about:
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simplyrahil:
Kathryn O:
and I have no guilt. I long ago stopped feeling that emotion and don't anymore.
ah that would explain A LOT please have that checked out.. one of the symptoms of a known mental disorder 'psychopathy' is 'lack of guilt'..
it is also a symptom of growing up with a Catholic Mother. Please learn more about that. (Jewish Mothers may also apply)
