THE GLOBAL WINGS THREAD
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audi:
blondie10:
Hey Audi When I saw Paul in 2005 in Miami, he was definatley sick. he sounded completely stuffed up but I'll tell you...when he spoke, I thought..HELL, he is never going to make it thru this concert with that hoarse voice..but he sang amazingly...I was so impressed....of course the next night he played Tampa and fell into his stage hole where his piano was supposed to be...ok...well, he I'm not sure he totally fell in...I think someone grabbed him before the big tumble... I'm still certian he was not feeling so well on his Florida dates...
That's the first time I've heard that he might've been sick on some of those dates. I read about his fall in Tampa at this discussion forum, and fans described it much more scary than what I saw in the tour DVD. But it would definitely explain why he could've been woozy.
OH, he definatley had at least a cold on those days..... but performed great....they spent quite a lot of time in Miami...a few people I know actually got to meet him while he was there.... too much Nyquil maybe?
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blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Audi When I saw Paul in 2005 in Miami, he was definatley sick. he sounded completely stuffed up but I'll tell you...when he spoke, I thought..HELL, he is never going to make it thru this concert with that hoarse voice..but he sang amazingly...I was so impressed....of course the next night he played Tampa and fell into his stage hole where his piano was supposed to be...ok...well, he I'm not sure he totally fell in...I think someone grabbed him before the big tumble... I'm still certian he was not feeling so well on his Florida dates...
That's the first time I've heard that he might've been sick on some of those dates. I read about his fall in Tampa at this discussion forum, and fans described it much more scary than what I saw in the tour DVD. But it would definitely explain why he could've been woozy.
OH, he definatley had at least a cold on those days..... but performed great....they spent quite a lot of time in Miami...a few people I know actually got to meet him while he was there.... too much Nyquil maybe?
So, you got to hear "Jenny Wren" in the flesh! Jealous.
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audi:
blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
Oooh! The '68 Special! The Resurrection! Here's my fave from the jam-sesion part of that show:
-aTigerman!! Oh yeah...that was a brilliant performance, the ENTIRE SHOW! I hate to say, but I was never a big Elvis fan.. ops: I mean, I appreciated what he did and liked some of his music, but I guess I never realized how GOOD he really was until I saw THAT....1968 comeback show...and I did not see that until....errrrrr......well...it was n't THAT long ago!!
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audi:
blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Audi When I saw Paul in 2005 in Miami, he was definatley sick. he sounded completely stuffed up but I'll tell you...when he spoke, I thought..HELL, he is never going to make it thru this concert with that hoarse voice..but he sang amazingly...I was so impressed....of course the next night he played Tampa and fell into his stage hole where his piano was supposed to be...ok...well, he I'm not sure he totally fell in...I think someone grabbed him before the big tumble... I'm still certian he was not feeling so well on his Florida dates...
That's the first time I've heard that he might've been sick on some of those dates. I read about his fall in Tampa at this discussion forum, and fans described it much more scary than what I saw in the tour DVD. But it would definitely explain why he could've been woozy.
OH, he definatley had at least a cold on those days..... but performed great....they spent quite a lot of time in Miami...a few people I know actually got to meet him while he was there.... too much Nyquil maybe?
So, you got to hear "Jenny Wren" in the flesh! Jealous.
He also sang a little bit of Yellow Submarine becasue some people in the front row had BIg Yellow Submarine signs and he saw them.... GREAT SHOW!!
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audi:
21st Century Paul:
PS one of these days, when I'll record another duet with Elvis... I will "perfect-pitch" Elvis with some of those programs... let's see how "perfect" can Elvis get... I hope he won't appear then in my dreams saying "Oliver... what have you done?" I don't think Paul ever sings out of tune. Because of the passion and drama of some songs some notes are strange but still on key... Like Lennon sang on key in Twist and Shout even with a sore throat... I'm trying to remind possibly the worst live vocal performance ever of Paul... I think is this one, whatever the cause... I'm down on the NYC concert 2001
It's not he's not on key, is that the notes are without any curve or expression, flat you say... but actually "Perfect-pitching" makes all the notes sound flat... ...I've always thought that Paul simply had a sore throat that night. Possibly a full "cold." I remember being pretty surprised that he'd opened with "I'm Down." And having seen him perform it eight years later in Atlanta, I was blown away by well he sang it. I'm glad that Paul knows that the voice can be strengthened ... and re-strengthened. The best opera singers are in their 60s and 70s -- which is why we're still getting "Helter Skelter'' and it's almost 2010!
yes, age it's not a problem at all... I think that Paul sometimes want to it "different" or so... As for Helter Skelter, that's one of the things that's really impossible to sing for anyone in one track.(let's say it's "against the voice rules") Even for Mr. McCartney, so I guess it's a mix of several tracks. If anyone goes up these notes like Paul does on the studio track then the voice will crack. The voice simply can't do that, so I guess it's a mix of 2 takes really... probably... "when I go... to the bottom" till "and I see you again" 2 takes I never knew I would go so deep in this, I only listened to the music before...
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audi:
21st Century Paul:
anyway you know what? I think I'm gonna re-record my vocals in some of my songs, they were sung long time ago anyway, I think I can do better than that (now that I know some things I didn't knew...), one take or more, I don't know...
So, you're going to auto-tune Elvis? Or did I misunderstand your previous post? I can save ya' some time: Start with his '50s ballads and gospel recordings. Elvis could sing blues, pop and rock and stay on pitch effortlessly early in his career. It wouldn't be until his release from the Army that he'd master singing ballads. And while I'm at it: I remember a few days ago your saying that Elvis had poor breathing when singing or something like that. What??????!!!!!?????? If you're referring to his later tours when he got winded a little more easily, that's one thing, but in general Elvis was a pro at vocal-breathing. He often made notes during his recording sessions on when to breathe, etc.
The Auto-tuning Elvis is sort of a joke... I think it would be a crime. I only would want to do it to see how that effect can make a recording a lot worse. Not poor breathing at all... I mean bad... timing... I mean he started lines before he should or after he should... Have you seen "Amadeus" the movie about Mozart? In some scene, they're rehearsing for the new opera. The tenor sings and Mozart is always saying to the tenor "too late" "too soon" "too late!"... That rarely happens to composers like Paul, Freddie, John, they were never out of time, but Elvis is out of time half of the time, nobody's perfect! every singer has faults too... even the best ones ever. Pavarotti had faults, everyone... for instance... Suspicious Minds live Aloha concert
from 0.00 to 0.36 late 0.36 to 0.45 right, in time etc or in the studio from 0 to 0.20 right from 0.20 to 0.40 late when he started late some line he was "late" all the line, when he started at time he was on time all the line, etc He never knew when to "enter", when to start every line. The singer I know with best timing is Paul, so he can sing that "hey jude, don't make it bad" (or those things he does answering the audience at hey Jude...) jumping from note to note or in Yesterday, Elvis could never do that. Also Sinatra with his style of short notes just in time. "And--- now! the end is .. near" just in time. Elvis had to sing My way in another way like happened with Hey Jude or Yesterday. -
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
total control? that's for sure... maybe Roy Orbison is the only one similar in that
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blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
that's the 1968 Comeback Special, legendary.... Elvis at his peak, he had the same skill as he had in his 70s orchestra performances and the rock and roll feeling he had the 50s
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blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
Oooh! The '68 Special! The Resurrection! Here's my fave from the jam-sesion part of that show:
-aTigerman!! Oh yeah...that was a brilliant performance, the ENTIRE SHOW! I hate to say, but I was never a big Elvis fan.. ops: I mean, I appreciated what he did and liked some of his music, but I guess I never realized how GOOD he really was until I saw THAT....1968 comeback show...and I did not see that until....errrrrr......well...it was n't THAT long ago!!
100 % the same for me. When I saw If I can dream of that special, I though... "hey, this is not THAT Elvis (the one on records)" so all the rest of the special and somehow too later in his concerts only not as good on rock and roll songs...
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Ok, some "new" records I like its sound... U2, in Vertigo voice so compressed that an whisper sounds as loud as a shout... Similar in Beautiful Day. Mr. Paul McCartney, Memory Almost Full, virtually the same, even in Gratitude or House of Wax when Paul shouts and sings soflty it virtually sounds the same loud. So as Gary says HEAVILY COMPRESSED, much more than I could though. And not reverb except sometimes. Bono and Paul not "perfectly pitched" fortunately... Maybe they couldn't just compress SO MUCH in the past, I don't know... (even the whistling :lol Queen in the 80s was heavily compressed too as I'm noticing (besides the reverb thing they used...) "my make up may be flaking" sounds the same loud as "but my smile... stays on" on The Show Must Go On. Or in Friends will be Friends he sounds as loud all the time when Freddie is really singing softly in some parts and loud in others.
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21st Century Paul:
Ok, some "new" records I like its sound... U2, in Vertigo voice so compressed that an whisper sounds as loud as a shout... Similar in Beautiful Day. Mr. Paul McCartney, Memory Almost Full, virtually the same, even in Gratitude or House of Wax when Paul shouts and sings soflty it virtually sounds the same loud. So as Gary says HEAVILY COMPRESSED, much more than I could though. And not reverb except sometimes. Bono and Paul not "perfectly pitched" fortunately... Maybe they couldn't just compress SO MUCH in the past, I don't know... (even the whistling :lol Queen in the 80s was heavily compressed too as I'm noticing (besides the reverb thing they used...) "my make up may be flaking" sounds the same loud as "but my smile... stays on" on The Show Must Go On. Or in Friends will be Friends he sounds as loud all the time when Freddie is really singing softly in some parts and loud in others.
Unfortunately, radio these days demands maximum loudness, so anyone's record that is NOT compressed to high heaven will sound weak. It's all about trends....
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EpiphoneCasino:
21st Century Paul:
Ok, some "new" records I like its sound... U2, in Vertigo voice so compressed that an whisper sounds as loud as a shout... Similar in Beautiful Day. Mr. Paul McCartney, Memory Almost Full, virtually the same, even in Gratitude or House of Wax when Paul shouts and sings soflty it virtually sounds the same loud. So as Gary says HEAVILY COMPRESSED, much more than I could though. And not reverb except sometimes. Bono and Paul not "perfectly pitched" fortunately... Maybe they couldn't just compress SO MUCH in the past, I don't know... (even the whistling :lol Queen in the 80s was heavily compressed too as I'm noticing (besides the reverb thing they used...) "my make up may be flaking" sounds the same loud as "but my smile... stays on" on The Show Must Go On. Or in Friends will be Friends he sounds as loud all the time when Freddie is really singing softly in some parts and loud in others.
Unfortunately, radio these days demands maximum loudness, so anyone's record that is NOT compressed to high heaven will sound weak. It's all about trends....
That could be why Memory Almost Full sounds so contemporary to me. I was stunned by the scathing comments about the mastering of the album from some fans two summers ago. I had no issues with it. Then again: I don't have an engineer's ear -- just an artist's ear.
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OK here's a song that Val & I love. It's a VAN MORRISON song, and he covered it with Tom Jones. This is how I recorded it - it took around 3 hours. First, I laid a drum track down using a midi keyboard and Groove Agent. Then I added a piano. On top of that, a hammond organ patch. Then I added some mute guitar stabs, also on keyboard. Then I recorded a live bass, I LOVE the bass line! Then I recorded a live electric guitar. On this, I added keyboard tenor, and baritone saxes. Finally I added my TOM JONES vocal on one side of the stereo, then my VAN MORRISON on the other side of the stereo. I added some gentle reverb, and fat compression to the vocals. I then compressed the mix with Waves L2 maximiser. NO PITCH CORRECTION whatsoever was used on this recording, as pitch correctors don't behave very well with these types of vocal. SOMETIMES WE CRY LISTEN http://www.reverbnation.com/tunepak/song_2847195 DOWNLOAD http://www.snapdrive.net/files/492294/Sometimes%20We%20Cry.mp3
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21st Century Paul:
audi:
21st Century Paul:
anyway you know what? I think I'm gonna re-record my vocals in some of my songs, they were sung long time ago anyway, I think I can do better than that (now that I know some things I didn't knew...), one take or more, I don't know...
So, you're going to auto-tune Elvis? Or did I misunderstand your previous post? I can save ya' some time: Start with his '50s ballads and gospel recordings. Elvis could sing blues, pop and rock and stay on pitch effortlessly early in his career. It wouldn't be until his release from the Army that he'd master singing ballads. And while I'm at it: I remember a few days ago your saying that Elvis had poor breathing when singing or something like that. What??????!!!!!?????? If you're referring to his later tours when he got winded a little more easily, that's one thing, but in general Elvis was a pro at vocal-breathing. He often made notes during his recording sessions on when to breathe, etc.
The Auto-tuning Elvis is sort of a joke... I think it would be a crime. I only would want to do it to see how that effect can make a recording a lot worse. Not poor breathing at all... I mean bad... timing... I mean he started lines before he should or after he should... Have you seen "Amadeus" the movie about Mozart? In some scene, they're rehearsing for the new opera. The tenor sings and Mozart is always saying to the tenor "too late" "too soon" "too late!"... That rarely happens to composers like Paul, Freddie, John, they were never out of time, but Elvis is out of time half of the time, nobody's perfect! every singer has faults too... even the best ones ever. Pavarotti had faults, everyone... for instance... Suspicious Minds live Aloha concert
from 0.00 to 0.36 late 0.36 to 0.45 right, in time etc or in the studio from 0 to 0.20 right from 0.20 to 0.40 late when he started late some line he was "late" all the line, when he started at time he was on time all the line, etc He never knew when to "enter", when to start every line. The singer I know with best timing is Paul, so he can sing that "hey jude, don't make it bad" (or those things he does answering the audience at hey Jude...) jumping from note to note or in Yesterday, Elvis could never do that. Also Sinatra with his style of short notes just in time. "And--- now! the end is .. near" just in time. Elvis had to sing My way in another way like happened with Hey Jude or Yesterday.Elvis is "in the pocket," bro.
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EpiphoneCasino:
OK here's a song that Val & I love. It's a VAN MORRISON song, and he covered it with Tom Jones. This is how I recorded it - it took around 3 hours. First, I laid a drum track down using a midi keyboard and Groove Agent. Then I added a piano. On top of that, a hammond organ patch. Then I added some mute guitar stabs, also on keyboard. Then I recorded a live bass, I LOVE the bass line! Then I recorded a live electric guitar. On this, I added keyboard tenor, and baritone saxes. Finally I added my TOM JONES vocal on one side of the stereo, then my VAN MORRISON on the other side of the stereo. I added some gentle reverb, and fat compression to the vocals. I then compressed the mix with Waves L2 maximiser. NO PITCH CORRECTION whatsoever was used on this recording, as pitch correctors don't behave very well with these types of vocal. SOMETIMES WE CRY LISTEN http://www.reverbnation.com/tunepak/song_2846761 DOWNLOAD http://www.snapdrive.net/files/492294/Sometimes%20We%20Cry.mp3
Great track! This would work in a film soundtrack. I could see it gracing the end-credits of a feel-good movie. It's interesting that one guy did all this; yet, it is gentle but passionate. Simple but not simple-minded. I have to run this by my friend Cara -- the most discriminating Van Morrsion fan on the planet...
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EpiphoneCasino:
OK here's a song that Val & I love. It's a VAN MORRISON song, and he covered it with Tom Jones. This is how I recorded it - it took around 3 hours. First, I laid a drum track down using a midi keyboard and Groove Agent. Then I added a piano. On top of that, a hammond organ patch. Then I added some mute guitar stabs, also on keyboard. Then I recorded a live bass, I LOVE the bass line! Then I recorded a live electric guitar. On this, I added keyboard tenor, and baritone saxes. Finally I added my TOM JONES vocal on one side of the stereo, then my VAN MORRISON on the other side of the stereo. I added some gentle reverb, and fat compression to the vocals. I then compressed the mix with Waves L2 maximiser. NO PITCH CORRECTION whatsoever was used on this recording, as pitch correctors don't behave very well with these types of vocal. SOMETIMES WE CRY LISTEN http://www.reverbnation.com/tunepak/song_2847195 DOWNLOAD http://www.snapdrive.net/files/492294/Sometimes%20We%20Cry.mp3
VERY NICE AGAIN!!!!!
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EpiphoneCasino:
21st Century Paul:
Ok, some "new" records I like its sound... U2, in Vertigo voice so compressed that an whisper sounds as loud as a shout... Similar in Beautiful Day. Mr. Paul McCartney, Memory Almost Full, virtually the same, even in Gratitude or House of Wax when Paul shouts and sings soflty it virtually sounds the same loud. So as Gary says HEAVILY COMPRESSED, much more than I could though. And not reverb except sometimes. Bono and Paul not "perfectly pitched" fortunately... Maybe they couldn't just compress SO MUCH in the past, I don't know... (even the whistling :lol Queen in the 80s was heavily compressed too as I'm noticing (besides the reverb thing they used...) "my make up may be flaking" sounds the same loud as "but my smile... stays on" on The Show Must Go On. Or in Friends will be Friends he sounds as loud all the time when Freddie is really singing softly in some parts and loud in others.
Unfortunately, radio these days demands maximum loudness, so anyone's record that is NOT compressed to high heaven will sound weak. It's all about trends....
I'm just a fool about this. I didn't noticed but even The Beatles records are compressed that way... Maybe not the original ones, I don't know, but the CDs I bought in the past century are highly-compressed... So that's the BIG difference I noticed in records but I didn't know what it was exactly, reverb may come and go depending on the artist, style and year, but virtually everything is VERY compressed... I understand, you don't want no singer shouting at you at home or to struggle to hear some vocals okey Elvis self-compressed himself live, cause he took away the microphone when singing loud and aproached it when singing sweet...
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EpiphoneCasino:
HEY, here's a song I wrote in the late 80's. I re-recorded it with new technology. I think I may have posted this a long time ago (the old version anyway), but this is the new version anyway. I KNOW THAT I'VE FOUND LOVE Copyright G Morrison 1989 http://www.snapdrive.net/files/492294/I%20Know%20That%20I%27ve%20Found%20Love1.mp3
I like it . Gary you're a great songwriter. After listening to Gentle Love and this one I can say that for real. I think you're wrong , no Kissing A Fool, this reminds me of Brian Wilson's late work... even the vocals.
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audi:
blondie10:
audi:
blondie10:
Hey Oliver.. I"m not totally sure what your saying, what you need to do is just not listen to professional recordings and only listen to live performances (untouched)...I"ll bet you'd love Woodstock live!!! Anway...Elvis , I thought, had complete control of his voice. Amazing singer he was. I think it was the 1965 live performances he did in the studio...they were absolutely amazing.
Elvis was extraordinary -- the older he got the better he got. To my knowledge, though, the only thing Elvis did in 1965 (outside of home-recordings) were soundtrack sessions. Can you think of a song from what you're recalling?
Sorry...studio session..... ops: ops: it was just him, dressed all in black I just looked it up, I got the date wrong too... : this is what I'm talkin about.... awsome!!
Oooh! The '68 Special! The Resurrection! Here's my fave from the jam-sesion part of that show:
-aWOW that's great I love when he's struggling and at 1.29 and fakes to be really exhausted to show how much he is putting into the performance I think every song of that night is my favourite... besides If I can dream, maybe this one, when he goes mad at the end holding up and down the guitar... One Night With You
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audi:
21st Century Paul:
audi:
21st Century Paul:
anyway you know what? I think I'm gonna re-record my vocals in some of my songs, they were sung long time ago anyway, I think I can do better than that (now that I know some things I didn't knew...), one take or more, I don't know...
So, you're going to auto-tune Elvis? Or did I misunderstand your previous post? I can save ya' some time: Start with his '50s ballads and gospel recordings. Elvis could sing blues, pop and rock and stay on pitch effortlessly early in his career. It wouldn't be until his release from the Army that he'd master singing ballads. And while I'm at it: I remember a few days ago your saying that Elvis had poor breathing when singing or something like that. What??????!!!!!?????? If you're referring to his later tours when he got winded a little more easily, that's one thing, but in general Elvis was a pro at vocal-breathing. He often made notes during his recording sessions on when to breathe, etc.
The Auto-tuning Elvis is sort of a joke... I think it would be a crime. I only would want to do it to see how that effect can make a recording a lot worse. Not poor breathing at all... I mean bad... timing... I mean he started lines before he should or after he should... Have you seen "Amadeus" the movie about Mozart? In some scene, they're rehearsing for the new opera. The tenor sings and Mozart is always saying to the tenor "too late" "too soon" "too late!"... That rarely happens to composers like Paul, Freddie, John, they were never out of time, but Elvis is out of time half of the time, nobody's perfect! every singer has faults too... even the best ones ever. Pavarotti had faults, everyone... for instance... Suspicious Minds live Aloha concert
from 0.00 to 0.36 late 0.36 to 0.45 right, in time etc or in the studio from 0 to 0.20 right from 0.20 to 0.40 late when he started late some line he was "late" all the line, when he started at time he was on time all the line, etc He never knew when to "enter", when to start every line. The singer I know with best timing is Paul, so he can sing that "hey jude, don't make it bad" (or those things he does answering the audience at hey Jude...) jumping from note to note or in Yesterday, Elvis could never do that. Also Sinatra with his style of short notes just in time. "And--- now! the end is .. near" just in time. Elvis had to sing My way in another way like happened with Hey Jude or Yesterday.Elvis is "in the pocket," bro.
I don't know what do you mean, "in the pocket", I'm just a Spanish guy , I've never heard these words... anyway, d'you know what is perfect timing? this is SICK timing... even with all the noise there, the 2 manage to do all the song just in time together... Baby's In The Black-The Beatles (live, Shea Stadium)