Angreee!
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Maybe it's just me, but I never noticed anything bad about the production of P2P. What do people mean when they say this? P2P and Flowers were the two albums that got me into Paul. I never stopped loving them.
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Wyrdskein:
Maybe it's just me, but I never noticed anything bad about the production of P2P. What do people mean when they say this? P2P and Flowers were the two albums that got me into Paul. I never stopped loving them.
I've been asking that for years. No one has ever told me why the production is so bad. They only say it is "over produced".
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moptops:
No. Not every song is solid. And I suspect if it is the album that made you a fan (geez you're young!) , you look at it with an "emotional glow" for that very reason. As I do with Red Rose Speedway (I'm old). It might have made you a fan, but for most everyone else of us, we weren't into this, or Broadstreet or Jackson's duets or Pipes Of Peace or Spies Like Us...cos they were all pretty much shite. Truth be told.
I agree completely that people are emotionally connected to songs and albums that they first heard during formative years. That's probably why artists like Paul get such a wide range of fans who like and hate a wide range of his work. But I'm wondering who the "most of us" are in your second paragraph. From what I've seen, people love as much of his work as they hate.
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The thing is I am always going to have a soft spot for this album... it is part of my progression into immature adulthood, and at the time I was into anything that was Beatle-related..... and perhaps at the time bias....My favourite track by a mile was Stranglehold! Always thought it should've been the first single. However Absurd grew on me and I think it is quite underrated. The song builds and builds. Have appreciated that one more in the last five years. Angry and Move Over Busker were just fine. Very enjoyable. Press was a poor choice as opening singe (sound familiar?), but it's great as a mere song on an album. A different vibe. Footprints a good track on any album. Only Love Remains may not be the son/daughter of My Love, but it's actually also very underrated, and much better than many other "ballad" offerings since. My problem, in retrospect, was more with songs Good Times Coming/Feel the Sun and Talk More Talk. Three songs that might've been one. I've said it before but I always liked the songs left off.... It's Not True, in particular... I know it is heavily produced, with a lot of echo, but I like the melody.... Should've been on the album. A bit more work on it, and well.... And the great weakness for me, that even when it got its own video, was Pretty Little Head. One of the weakest tracks of Paul's career, in my opinion. Otherwise. I'll always listen to this album and crack a smile. Far from a masterpiece. But will always make me feel good.
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I think Paul's biggest mistake with Press To Play was not putting Write Away on the album.
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I think the connection wingsdgm made to David Byrne and Talking Heads was interesting. "Tug of War" and "Pipes of Peace" had that smooth Toto West Coast / AOR pop rock soound. But "Press to Play" are more quirky and art-pop. One can hear that McCartney listened to another type of music in the mid-80s.
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moptops:
audi:
At the risk of opening a Pandora's box, I'd like to challenge Press-haters to -- production aside -- name one bad song on the album***. _***=excluding "Press" -- it's not a bad song, but naming it just seems like a cheap-shot for some reason_
PRESS. However Absurd. Pretty Little Head. Talk More Talk. Only Love Remains. Stranglehold is TERRIFIC!
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"However Absurd" is superb. Only Prince was this psychedelic in the mid-80s. Well, if you take away the Paisley Underground scene. It wouldn't have been out of place on "Parade". One of the most innovative albums of the 80s.
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moptops:
audi:
There is nothing so-so about the album -- every song is solid. BTW: This is the album that made me a fan in the first place.
No. Not every song is solid. And I suspect if it is the album that made you a fan (geez you're young!) , you look at it with an "emotional glow" for that very reason. As I do with Red Rose Speedway (I'm old). It might have made you a fan, but for most everyone else of us, we weren't into this, or Broadstreet or Jackson's duets or Pipes Of Peace or Spies Like Us...cos they were all pretty much shite. Truth be told.
I love the last minute fadeout of Spies Like Us. He should have the whole song in that style!
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Alternatively to sing 'angry' he could also used the literary "show, don't tell" trick and just sung something that made you think that this is an angry song. Like f ** k you instead of angry or other spitting words of anger.
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Hendrix Ibsen:
"However Absurd" is superb. Only Prince was this psychedelic in the mid-80s...
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Hendrix Ibsen:
I think the connection wingsdgm made to David Byrne and Talking Heads was interesting. "Tug of War" and "Pipes of Peace" had that smooth Toto West Coast / AOR pop rock soound. But "Press to Play" are more quirky and art-pop. One can hear that McCartney listened to another type of music in the mid-80s.
PTP is dripping in Phil Collins. And I don't mean that as a compliment.
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JoeySmith:
moptops:
audi:
There is nothing so-so about the album -- every song is solid. BTW: This is the album that made me a fan in the first place.
No. Not every song is solid. And I suspect if it is the album that made you a fan (geez you're young!) , you look at it with an "emotional glow" for that very reason. As I do with Red Rose Speedway (I'm old). It might have made you a fan, but for most everyone else of us, we weren't into this, or Broadstreet or Jackson's duets or Pipes Of Peace or Spies Like Us...cos they were all pretty much shite. Truth be told.
I love the last minute fadeout of Spies Like Us. He should have the whole song in that style!
Likewise, I love the fadeout of the song, New...alas.
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moptops:
Hendrix Ibsen:
I think the connection wingsdgm made to David Byrne and Talking Heads was interesting. "Tug of War" and "Pipes of Peace" had that smooth Toto West Coast / AOR pop rock soound. But "Press to Play" are more quirky and art-pop. One can hear that McCartney listened to another type of music in the mid-80s.
PTP is dripping in Phil Collins. And I don't mean that as a compliment.
I'm glad that you mentioned him, but first: Phil drummed his ass off on "Angry," but I digress. People scoff at PTP's heavy-keyboard, sequenced production; yet they still love Genesis' "Tonight Tonight Tonight," which is STILL a soft-rock radio staple.
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Phil really REALLY wanted to produce PTP. Paul said no. Thankfully Paul stood his ground. Sadly, it still sounds like it's produced by Phil Collins! Music wise - God the 80's were largely bloody dreadful.
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But McCartney conceived the album to celebrate the growing CD revolution at the time. A good listen via headphones makes the case better than I can.
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While we're on the subject of this, check out the great Larry Alexander mix of Angry. Chunky horns raise it to another level.
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Just checked on the Stranglehold/Angry single. It only reached 81 in the USA!
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moptops:
While we're on the subject of this, check out the great Larry Alexander mix of Angry. Chunky horns raise it to another level.
Someone brought that to my attention a few years ago: Hated it.
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moptops:
Just checked on the Stranglehold/Angry single. It only reached 81 in the USA!
McCartney's first album that failed to reach Gold status.